Antennagate 2: HTC responds to the HD7 antenna death grip
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- tkolev
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- 05 Dec 2010
Anonymous, 05 Dec 2010It is the same antennagate issue, period. Stop making thin... moreWM is dead. Microsoft discontinued it in favor of a completely new and much more eye-candy platform. Sadly but true. Microsoft gave in to the pressure provided by Android and decided not to go there again anytime soon. So please don't defile it's name by equaling it with the toy-os which is WP7.
And yes - I bought an iPhone. For my wife and she enjoys it. I'm not concerned with the death-grip, because we live in a strong-signal area (about a kilometer away from GSMArena's office ;) ) and I don't care for dropped calls. I got myself a DHD (my first Android coming from a number of WM phones) and I enjoy it too. All I did is point out that the signal loss in HD7 is due to very different reasons than the iPhone's and it's not fair to be called "antennagate" as that is a refference to the stupidity of Apple.
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- tkolev
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- 05 Dec 2010
Anonymous, 05 Dec 2010btw who is targeting who?
This issue was brought up by H... moreWP7 is targeted at people who want eye-candy, fluid animations with no concern about the fact that the platform is very limited and restricted by the manufacturer.
HD7 users have not experienced dropped calls unlike the iPhone users, so it's a bit too soon to call it "antennagate", don't you think?
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- Anonymous
- qDH
- 05 Dec 2010
tkolev, 05 Dec 2010OK - do this: 1. Get a FM receiver with an exposed (not ... moreAgain, do not make things complicated. Is it really necessary for anyone to follow that experiment that you proposed? If you think that a phone could not make calls, then do not buy it, or of you did, return it. No need for homemade experiments. Stop the hate.
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- Anonymous
- qDH
- 05 Dec 2010
tkolev, 05 Dec 2010Please read what I wrote and then tell me if it's the same ... moreIt is the same antennagate issue, period. Stop making things too complicated just to display your hate towards Apple. And stop judging other people just because they like the iphone which you hate. WM has been around before ios, so how can you say that it is a threat to ios. It should be the other way around. Ios already beat WM. Stop making silly unlikely forecasts unless you can provide solid evidence that WM is indeed a threat to ios, which I do not see. All I see is WM struggling in sales and to get noticed. How is that a threat to ios?
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- tkolev
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- 05 Dec 2010
Anonymous, 05 Dec 2010So it should be easy for you to answer my questions regardi... moreOK - do this:
1. Get a FM receiver with an exposed (not insulated) antenna
2. While indoors tune in to your favorite radio station
3. Grab the antenna
4. Hear what happens
As I said, reflections made by changing the impedance lead to power losses. However if you are in an area with good coverage, the losses may be insufficient to actualy make a difference. Remember that the FM radio test is done with analog signal, and GSM deal with digital signal. It can tolerate much lower signal and still be quite useful.
And I say again - it has nothing to do with electricaly bridging anything, so there is no sense in your question. It's like asking how many bannanas a monkey could eat and still use it's iPhone :)
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- Anonymous
- PBc
- 05 Dec 2010
tkolev, 05 Dec 2010Please read what I wrote and then tell me if it's the same ... morebtw who is targeting who?
This issue was brought up by HTC HD7 users who based their reports on observations of what was happening with their phones.
Apple hasn't said a word on the issue.
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- Anonymous
- PBc
- 05 Dec 2010
tkolev, 04 Dec 2010Well, I have a degree in RF communications and quite a few ... moreSo it should be easy for you to answer my questions regarding the voltages involved and the conductivity/resistivity of the human skin and the effects over a few millimeters.
The fact that you didn't shows you are just parroting some rubbish you picked up on the Internet.
So brightboy explain why I am unable to reproduce this effect using dozens of iPhone 4's and I have not experienced one dropped call out of the thousands I have made during four months of owning an iPhone 4, the thing is you can't which is why you won't find a single report from a qualified RF engineer backing up the "detuning" myth.
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- tkolev
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- 05 Dec 2010
Anonymous, 04 Dec 2010Didn't you read this article at all. The iphone4 is not th... morePlease read what I wrote and then tell me if it's the same issue. There is a loss of signal with both phones (there is a loss of signal in ALL phones) but the reason it happens is VERY different. It's like saying that if all ships can sink, it doesn't matter if an oil tanker is made of wood or steel :). And yes - those millions of people, you are talking about, boarded the wooden one.
WP7 is a threat to IOS. Maybe not now, but it surely will become one. They are targeting the same group of customers, so it is a direct competitor to IOS.
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- tkolev
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- 04 Dec 2010
Anonymous, 04 Dec 2010No it doesn't.
What you wrote is a lot of waffling, quas... moreWell, I have a degree in RF communications and quite a few years of experience in building GSM/UMTS networks, so I actually can. But there is no point in that, because you obviously missed the whole thing. You don't have to electricaly bridge anything. By touching the antenna you are messing with it's impedance. That leads to reflections, which in term lead to power losses (google 'SWR' to read something about it). You would know that if you had any idea about the subject. In your simple world where you need to electricaly bridge something to make a difference, what voltages need to be applied between you phone's antenna and the base station a few km away to make a call? That is exactly what I was talking about when saying that someone without a clue in RF design approved the iPhone for production just listening to the designers and not the engineers.
Again - it's not the same thing what happens with HD7 and with the iPhone no matter what any website tells you.
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- Anonymous
- FJT
- 04 Dec 2010
tkolev, 04 Dec 2010OK, I'm writing this slowly, because you obviously read slo... moreDidn't you read this article at all. The iphone4 is not the only phone that has antennagate. Antennagate is a common issue among all phones at varying degrees. Some worse than others. It is a fact of life with phones. It's an issue that is users can actually deal with easily. It is those haters and fanboys and of course the press, who just loves to make a big deal of it. So stop with the hating on Apple. Millions of people love its design and are happy with its reception. It is silly for you to say that the iPhone has a design flaw and then say that this htc phone does not when they are both having the same antennagate issue. And you are also silly in saying that wp7 is a direct threat to ios. Please check the sales reports.
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- Anonymous
- PBc
- 04 Dec 2010
tkolev, 04 Dec 2010OK, I'm writing this slowly, because you obviously read slo... moreNo it doesn't.
What you wrote is a lot of waffling, quasi scientific rubbish.
So why don't you tell us about the voltages required to bridge such a gap, the conductivity of the surface used to bridge that gap and finally whether this has a positive or negative influence.
No competent engineer would make such claims, it's a beat up.
HTC has been shown to do the same thing, suck it up fanboy, don't come whining to us about the cheap Formosan junk you paid top dollar for.
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- tkolev
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- 04 Dec 2010
Anonymous, 04 Dec 2010i just saw my professors using iphones and some prime minis... moreOK, I'm writing this slowly, because you obviously read slowly. The so-called "antennagate" is due to the fact that the man who approves the iPhone to production listens more to his designers than his engineers. And that's a bad thing for any product. iPhone's antenna is exposed to the exterior of the phone and by touching it, you mess with it's tuning, and so you get droppes calls. HTC's (and any other manufacturer) "problem" lies in the reqirement that there is a limit of the energy the customer's head should be exposed to. So the antenna radiates to the back of the phone and when you hold it, you are blocking the signal to some degree. Your professors, the prime ministers, presidents and surgeons may not realize this, but Apple has a problem with their design and the other companies suffer from the inevitable laws of physics. Actualy touching the antenna is much worse than shadowing it, and that leads to dropped calls. Ever wondered why the bumper case helps? You can ask all the "smart" people you have seen using Apples toy-phones, but I doubt they will know. I will tell you. It does exactly what HTC's covers with embedded antenna do - prevent you from touching the antenna itself. However there is no cure for the swadowing of the antenna when you hold the phone. Ever wondered how a software update can "cure" a hardware problem? It doesn't. Just makes you think everything works well by deceiving you - it displays full signal even if it's not. There is no way for the user to experience the signal strength since it's a digital communication. If the reception is that bad, the call will most probably get dropped (which doesn't happen with HTC). So Apple in fact lies to you, knowing that you won't see the difference because they know how you think. And one more thing - ever wondered why the article is about HD7 and not the DHD (which has the same issue that's even worse because of it's alluminum back)? It's simple - WP7 (and so is the HD7) is targeted towards the simple users, that have pretty much the same requirements of the phones they buy as those who buy Apple's. WP7 is a direct threat to IOS, so it is neccessary to be poined out that the flagship phone is no better than the iPhone with it's tiny screen. The so-called "power" users will never go with the restrictions of both IOS and WP7, so there is no point in explaining them how their Android phones are no better than the iPhone.
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- Anonymous
- P%n
- 04 Dec 2010
[deleted post]Say you were a thousand kilometres from a major hospital and a local GP linked to a more qualified surgeon using an iPad.
I suppose you'd get up, walk out and die.
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- t7K
- 04 Dec 2010
Anonymous, 04 Dec 2010i never have a reception problem with my Nokia 5800 even wi... more5800 does not suffer antennagate
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- mark
- mqM
- 04 Dec 2010
oh i see everyone slags of apple for telling the truth. now other companies have the same problem. at least apple were honest from day one. not like all the other companies.
I think phone makers should do better beta testing so the customer gets a working product.
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- dan
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- 04 Dec 2010
for me X3-02 has issues bout this too. its antenna is at the bottom of the phone, so when i use it. signal drops one bar. if i hold it upside down, signal boost back. just want to share.
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- Anonymous
- TqC
- 04 Dec 2010
tkolev, 04 Dec 2010The bumper case does not solve "signal" issues, b... morei just saw my professors using iphones and some prime ministers and presidents too. surgeons used ipad to do surgery too. Archeologist using iphone too. So are they stupid or u r stupid?
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- Anonymous
- bJh
- 04 Dec 2010
i never have a reception problem with my Nokia 5800 even with a deliberate two handed death grip. Is something wrong.
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- drmamo77
- m5D
- 04 Dec 2010
i have desire hd and i use skype via 3g talking more than an hour and half with out any pro so t he one who talk about the desire hd if u donot have it donot talk about it ok? coz u look like a s s hole now
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- Anonymous
- nID
- 04 Dec 2010
I have never had a smartphone that could hold a steady signal and I have had quite a few in my time, I'd say the N97 was the worst of the them all.