Android 2.3 to hit the HTC Desire HD, Desire Z, Desire, Incredible S
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- sirc4527
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- 06 Apr 2011
Its the start of Q2! hope to receive this update soon. I hope it includes a lot of good things for my Desire HD :)
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- AnonD-291
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- 05 Apr 2011
Jteve Sobs, 04 Mar 2011Again, you FAIL to realize the big picture. Android might b... morecuriosity kills the cat.
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- 26 Mar 2011
I am using HTC Desire HD & i love this handset. An upgrade availability to the next platform will be a great advantage.
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- 11 Mar 2011
i have got htc desire hd and am completely loving it ~~~
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- varun tomar
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- 10 Mar 2011
Hi Everyone,
I own a HTC Desire and completely love it :-)
I had a question regarding the recent news of gingerbread coming to original desire and hence contacted HTC regarding it..may be this piece of information to other users as well.
As you might be aware that OTA 2.29.405.2 and 2.29.405.5 was released ffor desire few months back. I did not install this updates untill yesterday coz i didnt really felt the need. However on knowing that the gingerbread is coming to desire, it popped up a question in my mind whether i will be able to apply gingerbread update to my phone without applying the above two OTAs.
Answer from HTC was ..NO.
One needs to install the above OTAs before gingerbread would be available to his/her device.
Thanks
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- AnonD-291
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- 09 Mar 2011
Jteve Sobs, 07 Mar 2011Seriously, NO ONE cares about EVERYTHING you just said. Wha... more
"What's the point explaining about SDKs, UIs, features of updates and what Eric Schmidt said at MWC? All this is IRRELEVANT"
then whats the point in speculating about the worst case scenarios like "android is falling apart, fragmentation will become developer's nightmare etc, fragmentation will never improve...etc" ??
Its in complete contradiction to what is happening now. Such predictions are even more pointless. A pointless prediction deserves a pointless answer dont u think ?
"95% IS NOT 100%. Period. Saying a previous version has the same utilization as the latest update is just lying and consoling yourself that you will, one day, get all the enhancements of the latest version which, we all know that that's not gonna happen now is it? Even if you do receive the update, there would already be another newer update which a device just as SIMILAR as yours, has already gotten it. This will ALWAYS be on repeat and will never end"
FRoyo was released in last week of may in 2010 and htc devices got the update in july last week....thats just 2 months....froyo was the major update which pushed the utilization from 60% to 95%...is that what u say "millions and millions of users are suffering....etc"
2 months is good IMO. Now desire is going to get 2.3, i.e. 5 months after its launch.
2.3 will push its utilizattion to 100%.
If u take an average (2+5/2), an update comes out in 3.5 months in HTC devices. Three and a half month for an update is not bad at all. Which other OS gets updated so fast ??
WP7 has got only one update in 5 months (now), and the only update was a useless update for future updates. Still no copypaste, USB mode, tethering,file manager,....etc
In case of symbian, N8's only update was an equally useless one with no improvement at all, although there are lots of room for improvement especially broewer, UI, keyboard..etc.
Bada's only major update came after 7 months and their next update is expected after another 6 months.
Apple is maybe the only company which gives timely updates. But u pay a fortune to buy an iphone dont you ? (2-3 times more than android phones) That is the reason they get updates. They very much proved that with their 'pay for update' policy for ipods.
So which OS is better in terms of update ?
None. Everyone is the same.
The Nexus One is the only phone in the world with similar specs as an original desire and that already has an update.
But neuxs phones are more costly than other android phones right ??? And although (an average of) 3 and a 1/2 months late, u ARE getting an update. The major froyo update which pushed the utilization level, was provided in 2 months. So what is the point point in crying for an update that just barely improves and there is only one phone with similar specs that has it. Read this thread and u will find there is hardly anyone (INFACT NO ONE) complaining about it. You dont expect people to be dumb, do you ?
And what about other platforms' limitation ?? Nokia and Microsoft literally ditch their flagships. Nokia's symbian flagship was N97 and XM flagship was X6 (before S^3)
Now they (Flagships of the biggest manufacturer) got ditched when nokia discontinued s60. Same thing happened with meamo when nokia announced Meego. ANd exactly the same thing is happening to S^3 when nokia announced WP7.
And MS also did the same thing with HD2. They never got an update. ALthough granted that WP7 is different from WM6.5 but porting was very much possible, just as XDA members demonstrated.
So my point of saying all this is although fragmentation is a disadvantage of android its not as big as the ones mentioned above
"This will ALWAYS be on repeat and will never end"
Yes this will never end in your world for the simple reason that you hate Android and you'll never want it to end. But look closer and you will find that it IS ending. There is NO MORE FRAGMENTATION in honeycomb based
tablets. All of them (galaxy tab, Xoom, optimius tab) are running vanilla 3.0.
Google intents to wipe out fragmentation in smartphones as well by polices such as widening the gap between updates to 6 months, etc. And there will be no fragmentation when the tablets line of android OS
and smartphone OSes merge !
Google is a 60 billion dollar company, and do you really expect them to just do nothing about fragmentation ???
"Pick any Android user from the streets and explain all this to them and I can assure you, they will end the conversation with "but my phone is still not on the latest version". Pity."
TRy asking any NON android user on the street about Android. he's going to end up saying: "Update or no update, i dont really care, i just wish i had such a super functional phone (android)"
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- 09 Mar 2011
Good news for all HTC desire HD users, i contacted HTC by myself, asked when will 2.3 update comes up, they answered that update definetily will be, but they cant yell exact date of update. So, lets wait.
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- 07 Mar 2011
AnonD-291, 04 Mar 2011"The bottom line is fragmentation WILL ALWAYS be prese... moreSeriously, NO ONE cares about EVERYTHING you just said. What's the point explaining about SDKs, UIs, features of updates and what Eric Schmidt said at MWC? All this is IRRELEVANT when the device you've paid for is NOT running on the latest version when it SHOULD HAVE been. That is the most BASIC, the most LOWEST from of mobile platform requirement and yet, such a "successful" OS is UNABLE to fulfill.
"..an HTC at froyo is at 95% of utilization. And outdates is just comparitively to couple of handsets, whereas its superior to 100s of other hansets in the market..."
95% IS NOT 100%. Period. Saying a previous version has the same utilization as the latest update is just lying and consoling yourself that you will, one day, get all the enhancements of the latest version which, we all know that that's not gonna happen now is it? Even if you do receive the update, there would already be another newer update which a device just as SIMILAR as yours, has already gotten it. This will ALWAYS be on repeat and will never end.
Pick any Android user from the streets and explain all this to them and I can assure you, they will end the conversation with "but my phone is still not on the latest version". Pity.
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- vGA
- 04 Mar 2011
Jteve Sobs, 04 Mar 2011Again, you FAIL to realize the big picture. Android might b... more"I've mentioned so many consequences about this which most of it, you are unable to provide a valid explanation"
OOoOh you mean the consequences that u mentioned like; "Android is is just hype, android is tearing apart, Fragmentation is developers nightmare, it'll never improving "
Forget what is happening now (880% growth), they dont sound even like a distant reality, do u mean to say 80 Million people are dumb and they bought just an over hyped product ??
Your so called "possible consequences" sound more like hate comments rather something thats gonna happen in distant future. Android is here to stay for really long time. not like the ones that live under clouds of extinction.
The funniest part was "developer nightmare". Do u know that Android SDK is one of the most suited SDK for mobile hardware diversity ??
Also the manufacturers have to make sure their devices support the standard APIs, so that UIs dont come inbetween and cause incompatibility.
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- 04 Mar 2011
Jteve Sobs, 04 Mar 2011Again, you FAIL to realize the big picture. Android might b... more"The bottom line is fragmentation WILL ALWAYS be present on Android, never improving or decreasing and represents a HUGE disadvantage to all Android users"
That is a senseless and grossly overstated statement. Never improving ?? Google can wipe out fragmentation by denying the OEMs the permission to put custom interfaces, or by simply widening the gap between updates, etc. And look google is going to do just that, Google CEO Eric Schimidt announced at MWC that the updates will come strictly at 6 month interval to contain fragmentation. So the ice cream update (2.4 is called ice cream) shuld come in june or sometime around that.
So desire should be at par with nexus's gingebread when the update arrives.
"An outdated OS IS AN outdated OS. Irregardless of how little the features of the new update is, Google (or any other company for that matter) would not have wasted millions of dollars and time releasing a new version JUST for it to contain the same functionalities as the previous one. Like I said, in reference to SE X10, why don't we all just stay on Eclair because according to you, its still as functional as 2.2/2.3? No matter what you say, it does not matter what similar functionalities 2.2 or 2.3 has because at the end of the day, it DOES NOT change the fact that you WILL ALWAYS be running on outdated software"
Im not saying that google wasted millions of $ to bring out a version with no improvements, but instead that the current line up would see no improvements. Does the desire need NFC support ?? SMP support ?? LTE ?? Bluetooth 3.0 HS ?? Does it have dual core ?? does it need EXT4 ?? NO.
The newer versions do bring significant improvements but not in case of desire or galaxy or droid...etc
An outdated OS is outdated OS ofcourse technically true, but practically an HTC at froyo is at 95% of utilization. And outdates is just comparitively to couple of handsets, whereas its superior to 100s of other hansets in the market.
"Android might be fueled by Google's efforts but Google does not control the updating of Android devices other than their own Nexuses. "
Even other OS maker MS, does not "fully" control updates.
From what i've heard all MS can do is provide the latest OS version, while the firmware modification has to be done by the respective OEM.
"This is why Android is the only mobile platform that suffers from fragmentation. Thinking that there's no big deal about fragmentation and just simply writing it off as a by-product just further shows your inability to fully grasp the situation"
Saying that "fragmentation is not even distantly related to improvements", actually shows your failiure to understand reason why is fragmentation present.
Here's a clue: Google & Update
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- 04 Mar 2011
AnonD-291, 04 Mar 2011Now how did Symbian come into the picture ??? Did i say any... moreAgain, you FAIL to realize the big picture. Android might be fueled by Google's efforts but Google does not control the updating of Android devices other than their own Nexuses. This is why Android is the only mobile platform that suffers from fragmentation. Thinking that there's no big deal about fragmentation and just simply writing it off as a by-product just further shows your inability to fully grasp the situation. Just for the record, I've mentioned so many consequences about this which most of it, you are unable to provide a valid explanation. The bottom line is fragmentation WILL ALWAYS be present on Android, never improving or decreasing and represents a HUGE disadvantage to all Android users.
An outdated OS IS AN outdated OS. Irregardless of how little the features of the new update is, Google (or any other company for that matter) would not have wasted millions of dollars and time releasing a new version JUST for it to contain the same functionalities as the previous one. Like I said, in reference to SE X10, why don't we all just stay on Eclair because according to you, its still as functional as 2.2/2.3? No matter what you say, it does not matter what similar functionalities 2.2 or 2.3 has because at the end of the day, it DOES NOT change the fact that you WILL ALWAYS be running on outdated software.
"Oh i forgot about 2.3.3 feature, it deletes all facebook contact in phone contacts,i.e. no more facebook syncing, not something worth upgrading."
No point saying this because (assuming you're not a Nexus user) post this when the upgrade ACTUALLY becomes available (or maybe never? Who knows!) for your device.
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- 04 Mar 2011
Jteve Sobs, 03 Mar 2011Yes, I agree that there's no perfect OS on any given platfo... moreNow how did Symbian come into the picture ??? Did i say anything about symbian ?
It IS true that symbain hasnt been able to keep up and hence faces it's inevitable demise.
"It might have the least uncertainty due to Google's relentless efforts but its also because of this that has caused this fragmented environment"
FInally you agreed that ANdroid has the least uncertainty.
Plus u agree that its because of googles effort.
Now google's efforts = improvement
REsult of this improvement = Least uncertainty + Fragmentation
SO doesnt that show that fragmentation comes as a byproduct of android improvements ??? Just as i said before ??
"fragmentation that is preventing Desire owners from enjoying the enhancements of the updates and ALWAYS running on an outdated OS"
Yes is the reason BUT, in terms of what is it outdated ??
features ?? 5% improvement in quadrant ?? or just numeric difference 2.2/2.3 ?? You have been comparing android with another android for all this while, but do u realize a desire running at 2.2 itself provides more functionalities than any *other* OS regardless of its version ?
Now its going to get 2.3!! Its 3 months late but its still ahead of every OS. ANd thats what it matters more.
Oh i forgot about 2.3.3 feature, it deletes all facebook contact in phone contacts,i.e. no more facebook syncing, not something worth upgrading.
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- 03 Mar 2011
AnonD-291, 03 Mar 2011 "Android may be on the rise for now (mostly due to t... moreFurthermore, the Desire's age (or Legend for that matter) DOES NOT play any part as the Nexus One, released way before the Desire, is now well over a year old AND STILL receiving regular updates so much so that it is now currently on par with (in terms of version release) the Nexus S!
This proves that it was never about the hardware (or age of the hardware for that matter) but rather the level of fragmentation that is preventing Desire owners from enjoying the enhancements of the updates and ALWAYS running on an outdated OS.
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- 03 Mar 2011
AnonD-291, 03 Mar 2011 "Android may be on the rise for now (mostly due to t... moreYes, I agree that there's no perfect OS on any given platform. You were so very quick to single out and bash Symbian for not being able to keep up with other more successful OSes but now you see, its not all peaches and cream with Android also. It might have the least uncertainty due to Google's relentless efforts but its also because of this that has caused this fragmented environment.
By the time the Salsa and ChaCha is released, the Legend is just barely over a year old. In some countries, this time frame is insufficient for you to be eligible for an upgrade depending on your mobile carrier. What you are (unofficially) eligible for, however, is a software upgrade given that your year-old phone is similarly spec as a new device. Unfortunately, because of, yes, you guessed it! Fragmentation. You're stuck waiting on (supposedly) new hardware with an outdated OS.
Yes, I'm aware of the Nexus S display issues. Just pointing out that Gingerbread 2.3.3 IS NOT, however, just for the Nexus S. The Nexus One, with similar specs to the original Desire, is also eligible for the update. In addition, 2.3.3 also contains more support for NFC capabilities, a hardware which the Nexus One DOES NOT have. The only reason why its receiving this update is because its a "Google Experience" device. Again, a proof that fragmentation is well and not decreasing.
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- 03 Mar 2011
Jteve Sobs, 03 Mar 2011Consequences are describing possible situations of things t... more "Android may be on the rise for now (mostly due to the hype) but because of the fragmented state, all the situations stated before are a possibility. If there are so many negative possibilities, how then, can you describe Android as stable and "a OS with a future and no uncertainty"?
All OSes in the world have limitations, is there any OS that is perfect ? Fragmentation is a drawback of of android I agree,
but Android has the least uncertainity or the most certain OS to survive for long (if u take iOS out if the picture). Can u deny that ?? If u do then please mention the OS which (u think) have better prospects than android.
You know that when salsa comes out, legend will be one and a half years old. Dont u think 3/4th of the users would have left legend by then, and remaining users wont care about their software version(except maybe 2%)
About nexus S this was what i was talking about:
http://blog.gsmarena.com/google-nexus-s-display-gets-warmer-colors-with-the-2-3-3-update
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AnonD-291, 03 Mar 2011"I already pointed out all the consequences of fragmen... moreConsequences are describing possible situations of things to come and not things which are happening now. Android may be on the rise for now (mostly due to the hype) but because of the fragmented state, all the situations stated before are a possibility. If there are so many negative possibilities, how then, can you describe Android as stable and "a OS with a future and no uncertainty"?
Let's take a look at the HTC Legend. It runs on the same Qualcomm MSM7227 600MHz which both the newly announced HTC Chacha and Salsa use (Both running Gingerbread 2.4 out of the box, no less). So there's no such thing as it having obsolete hardware. Moreover, Google did not place a processor limitation on Android so all versions are capable of running on any 600MHz processor a hitch. This IS the cold hard proof of Android fragmentation. I don't even wanna start on the X10 saga because GSMArena would need to give me a whole column space to fully explain.
2.3.3 IS released for BOTH Nexus One and S. There is NO display issue on Nexus One and it is just getting the update because it is a "Google Experience" device. Again, classic Android fragmentation.
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- 03 Mar 2011
Jteve Sobs, 03 Mar 2011Lol! Listen to yourself! Eclair has the same functionality ... more"I already pointed out all the consequences of fragmentation so we don't need to go there"
But Im pointing out that none of what u say is really happening in reality, is it ?? Is android falling apart ??
NO. Its just growing at an exponential rate.
"2.3 IS NOT direct to 2.3.2! Nexuses are running 2.3.3, Galaxy S is getting 2.3.2, Desires is on 2.3, Legends and Wildfires on 2.2 and the X10s on 2.1"
Desire and galaxy S IS going to get 2.3.2 direct.
Legend and wildfire have an outdated CPU, 600 & 550 Mhz respectively.
X10 is on 2.1 but has more features than 2.2 vanilla as i pointed out earlier.
Nexus S has 2.3.3, but the latest update was to fix some display issue. So 2.3.3 a Nexus S ONLY UPDATE.
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Jteve Sobs, 03 Mar 2011Lol! Listen to yourself! Eclair has the same functionality ... more"The MAIN point here is that you will always be running on an outdated OS eventhough your device is not obselete no matter what you say. Yes, the benefits of updating might be similar or nothing much has changed but this fact remains and it will never change! Your OS is outdated"
Yes I understand what you are trying to say. If i have 2 desires, 1 running froyo and the other running gingerbread, then the one running
froyo is behind 2.3 "technically" YES I AGREE, but practically is there any difference between the 2 (in case of desire) ???
You are saying that it wont change because the OS is outdated isnt it ?? NO thats where your wrong, its because the phone is outdated. The phone is 1 year and 2 months old, it doesnt have the capacity to take in the advantages of the update.
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AnonD-291, 02 Mar 2011"will this solve my issue of not getting the timely up... moreLol! Listen to yourself! Eclair has the same functionality as Froyo and Gingerbread has the same functionality as Froyo too? So Google just wasted millions of dollars releasing a new version? Why don't we all just stay on Eclair then since according to you, it's has the same functionality?
You STILL do not get the big picture here. You're so interested in the small facts that you fail to realize the main point. No point telling me what's an NFC chip or the difference between Froyo and Gingerbread or about fancy UIs and whatnots.
The MAIN point here is that you will always be running on an outdated OS eventhough your device is not obselete no matter what you say. Yes, the benefits of updating might be similar or nothing much has changed but this fact remains and it will never change! Your OS is outdated. Consoling yourself that there is nothing much in the update (covered by some fancy skin) or you don't need it, is just why the Android environment is, was and will always be fragmented. I already pointed out all the consequences of fragmentation so we don't need to go there.
2.3 IS NOT direct to 2.3.2! Nexuses are running 2.3.3, Galaxy S is getting 2.3.2, Desires is on 2.3, Legends and Wildfires on 2.2 and the X10s on 2.1. One. whole. big. fragmented. mess.
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- 03 Mar 2011
AnonD-1061, 28 Feb 2011Yeah, it's kinda laggy. But I'm sure it will get better in ... moreyeah mate, similar battery issue, but maybe not as bad as 10% for 3 hours without use. (using it is a different story - very quick drain)
I charge it about 1.5 times a day, it doesnt last 24 hours. i've lowered the display brightness, as that seems to drain my battery a lot from the info in "about phone". that has worked ok, but just using the phone drains battery like crazy.
the lag is really quite bad on mine TBH, im considering changing to reflexTsense or insert coin or something. might even have to go back to a desire 2.2 rom, as i hate having a laggy phone =( love new sense though.
i will try his onw kernel, but i thought it was included in the ROM? i guess ill have to read a bit more, i didnt realise it was to be flashed separately.