New Galaxy Note8 leaked renders show camera bump, confirm position of the fingerprint sensor

27 June 2017
It's been moved somewhat compared to the controversial placement in the S8 duo, but it will still be easy to smudge the cameras when you want to unlock.

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  • 30 Jun 2017

Anonymous, 30 Jun 2017..no commercial certification for MIL-STD? did u know one o... moreYes, No COMMERCIAL certification for MIL-STD. Its certified by the government only. Meaning devices used commercially, with no intention of being utilized in the government, have no actual certification process other than the guidelines laid out in MIL-STD-810G. This means they can simply say "we built these devices to MIL-STD-810G" when they didn't test a single thing, there's no one checking. Also, again 0 REQUIREMENT for an IP rating as MIL-STD is not written for commercial devices, therefore has its own Ingress guidelines written in it (MIL-STD-810G 506.5, 507.5, 512.5).

And yes, you're partially correct, companies can "achieve" this rating with sealed batteries (note I said unsealed helps). Never said they couldn't...only said that its much more rare. Also part of the Note 7's poor design was the sealed battery! weird! Like we have said the battery had bad cells, meaning it expanded beyond the 10% amount...if it was removable...it would've just popped out, no fires...no bans, no injuries, only a battery recall.

Quit buying the marketing.

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    • Anonymous
    • tCV
    • 30 Jun 2017

    Anonymous, 29 Jun 2017I will correct myself on 1 aspect MIL-STD "Rated" not certi... more..no commercial certification for MIL-STD? did u know one of the reason that MIL-STD itself is created for this purpose? Its like a guideline for other companies so they can manufacture things to fulfill US government agencies procurements or contracts that meets their specific criteria/needs.

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      • Anonymous
      • tCV
      • 30 Jun 2017

      Anonymous, 29 Jun 2017I clearly don't know about MIL-STD?...really? MIL-STD do... moreI already read all ur comments, and still u only knows little about it.. IP rating and MIL-STD are separated but to be passed MIL-STD, a device (sometime it should) passed IP rating first (please read MIL-STD 810x first).. Thats one of my point, and back to the point where ur logic devices with sealed battery is less safe are ridiculous logic, as long as the device itself passed MIL-STD and passed certain tests (including field test) and quality control, the manufacturer can say safe whether the device got sealed battery or not. The fact is, there are so many devices with sealed battery is safe, note7 fiasco caused their flawed design, and like i said bfore, a device can be designed with HOLLOW space inside to give room for battery expanded or to survive bend test, vibration, and other aspects. In many example devices with sealed battery can be more safe when u use in special surroundings like in oil refinery or hazardous environment full with combustible gas or chemical agents.. I really like people like you who got so many informations from wiki and such but dont read it thoroughly.. Next time, read MIL-STD 810x (the newest 810G if my memory right) first before put some smart comments.

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        • 30 Jun 2017

        MasEnha, 29 Jun 2017It's depend on U'r phone. I charge my phone once for 2 days... moreObviously? Galaxy S5 had IP67 and a removable battery. And there are even more waterproof phones with removable batteries.

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          • badjura
          • LHg
          • 29 Jun 2017

          Copy of nokia

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            • Anonymous
            • 5H7
            • 29 Jun 2017

            Anonymous, 29 Jun 2017Also, no touching the last 2 points? just picking ones tha... moreI will correct myself on 1 aspect MIL-STD "Rated" not certified, there is no commercial certification authority for MIL-STD. Many companies get away with giving their devices the MIL-STD rating...without even testing, gotta watch out for that sometimes as they claim they "built" the device to a MIL-STD rating...Which can muddy the point of less phones now having this rating, as it can be seen as untrustworthy, yes. Doesn't change the lower durability of devices nowadays, primarily with sealed batteries (and that fragile glass sandwich style)

            IP ratings have commercial certifiers.

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              • Anonymous
              • 5H7
              • 29 Jun 2017

              Anonymous, 29 Jun 2017lol.. sealed batteries doesn't mean less safe.. --they a... moreAlso, no touching the last 2 points? just picking ones that you thought you could make a point on?

              Oh btw here is a link to IP and MIL-STD ratings.
              Take note that they are completely separate rating systems, and do not require one another for certification. Also take note of the many testing methodologies in MIL-STD 810G, a device only has to meet 1 (and reference it) to be MIL-STD certified...most go for the impact protection in mobile phones.
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIL-STD-810
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code

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                • Anonymous
                • 5H7
                • 29 Jun 2017

                Anonymous, 29 Jun 2017lol.. sealed batteries doesn't mean less safe.. --they a... moreI clearly don't know about MIL-STD?...really?

                MIL-STD does not at all require an IP rating. none... zilch...nada. IP rating is an independent rating for Ingress Protection, MIL-STD is a set of governmental standards for Electronic equipment. There are actually multiple different MIL-STD ratings...for drop protection (which removable batteries help with) The LG V10 and V20 carry that, as do Galaxy active devices. There are MIL-STD ratings for "hazardous environment" which can be slightly considered similar to IP as they reference high humidity, swampy zones.

                Also...yes sealed batteries mean less safe, batteries expand up to 10% their size during cycles...if there is a bad cell, that can exponentially increase...if they can be removed...the back just pops off, and the battery safely falls out, or disconnects....with sealed, that cannot happen, and we see bursts, or catastrophic failures...the Note 7. Sealed batteries will always be less safe than non-sealed until Lithium batteries are not used, maybe replaced with Graphene.

                get your info straight before trying to say others don't know something.

                  Anonymous, 29 Jun 2017Buy a phone. Most of them demand a change after 2 years.. ... moreCute.

                  Current rechargeable batteries only have good power holds at 300+ charging cycles. That's only a year, of you discharge and charge daily. 18 months if you're pushing it. Twice faster if you charge twice daily - that's a year.

                  They want you paying every year.

                  Even more with fast charging, as my friend had to replace his Note 4 battery not even a year of daily fast charging.

                  While you like to carry around a powerbank and the idea of plugging in everywhere you go for 2 hours daily is normal for you, I only carry one thing - my smartphone with an extended battery. One device that will last the entire day despite with 4 GB of data, 7 hours SOT, no turning off Bluetooth, no turning off LTE.

                  It's not like an external battery pack where you waste 30 to 40% to the power transfer from external to internal battery. I get to use 100% of that battery on my smartphone, which I charge 4 hours at home while I sleep.

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                    • Anonymous
                    • uJD
                    • 29 Jun 2017

                    Buy a phone. Most of them demand a change after 2 years..

                    So non removable battery it will not degrade much. And you can get ext battery packs for those long time, plus fast charge. Moreover ext battery packs some are huge capacity, compared to typical removable battery capacity.

                    And after 2 years.. new removable battery phone comes out you want to buy.. what you do with all those extra removables you buy? Throw? Sell? Massive headaches. Not so with those ext battery packs.. you can buy and keep as many as you want and use on any phone you want.

                    Fingerprint sensor at the back.. now thats some bad move.

                      MasEnha, 29 Jun 2017It's depend on U'r phone. I charge my phone once for 2 days... moreI average over 6 hours of SOT, consume 3 GB LTE data - this is for everything I do almost everyday.

                      Same energy that's needed even with updated processors, to power up LTE connection, and the screen.

                      You can charge once in 2 days of you keep minimum settings and usage time. Who wants that?

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                        • Anonymous
                        • tCV
                        • 29 Jun 2017

                        Anonymous, 28 Jun 2017Why aren't they a problem? because in your personal experie... morelol.. sealed batteries doesn't mean less safe..

                        --they also make your device less durable, by not allowing the release of kinetic energy outward when the back plate and battery fall out during a drop which causes more crush force on both the battery and innards of the phone (note the lack of MIL-STD certifications on most phones with sealed batteries)
                        ---> you clearly don't know anything about this, phone design with sealed batteries doesnt mean that device cant get MIL-STD certifications. If u want MIL-STD certification, that means the phone will be rugged, the phone must be drop-proof, high IP rating (IP55 or 65 at least), vibration proof, can withstand extreme temperature, can withstand humid climate etc etc.. if u want phones with MIL-STD certifications that means the phone must be bulky and rugged.
                        And we can see MANY rugged phones in the market which has MIL-STD certifications got SEALED battery. The reason WHY you found many phones with sealed battery lack MIL-STD certification that because the company itself DOESN'T WANT to design their phones to have MIL-STD certification.

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                          • 29 Jun 2017

                          DNeighbor, 29 Jun 2017Plus the inability to triple the battery capacity with exte... moreIt's depend on U'r phone. I charge my phone once for 2 days; with its 4000+ capacity, I wish no more.
                          Unibody make the phone much more sturdy, no more squeaky sound and solid. Obviously with removable battery U can't make U'r phone water resistance.

                          Even when it's non-removable; it's replaceable. Hope it's not a deal breaker for U.

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                            • 29 Jun 2017

                            Now you see even though the design is similar to XPERIA no wants to talk about it but let Sony launch a phone u have everyone from here cribbing about their designs

                              Anonymous, 28 Jun 2017Why aren't they a problem? because in your personal experie... morePlus the inability to triple the battery capacity with extended batteries.

                              I can't stand having to charge twice daily just so we can use them as how we need to.

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                                • Anonymous
                                • 5H7
                                • 28 Jun 2017

                                viveksubhash, 28 Jun 2017Non removable batteries are not a problem... Stop making it... moreWhy aren't they a problem? because in your personal experience it hasn't been?

                                -Sealed batteries are less safe than removable, (the Note 7 and other devices like the iPhone can attest to that),
                                -they also make your device less durable, by not allowing the release of kinetic energy outward when the back plate and battery fall out during a drop which causes more crush force on both the battery and innards of the phone (note the lack of MIL-STD certifications on most phones with sealed batteries).
                                -They reduce the user's or third party ability to repair...as the whole device is sealed...not just the battery. (Many OEMs even go so far as to glue the battery to the board.)
                                -They create an easy platform for planned obsolescence.

                                Sealed batteries are a problem stop buying into the marketing and making them not.

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                                  • Anonymous
                                  • u42
                                  • 28 Jun 2017

                                  anonymously, 28 Jun 2017better has a removable battery or not buying itBut you still have to choose other non-removable battery phones... What's the difference?

                                    AnonD-234645, 28 Jun 2017I personally think it's more the latter rather than the for... moreFunnily enough i tend to touch the camera of my zenfone 3 which has the alleged ideal location for fingerprintscanners

                                      Andrea Bancroft, 28 Jun 2017The price is very high which makes it a problem because of ... moreNon removable batteries are not a problem... Stop making it one.. I still have my Nokia n8 that i pre-ordered... Still works fine

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