Android makers looking into 3D sensing, under-display fingerprint readers sidelined

07 October 2017
Inquiries into 3D face mapping by Android vendors have at least tripled since the announcement of the iPhone X, analyst states.

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I'd rather have underscreen fingerprint reader, but that might be just me.

    Anonymous, 10 Oct 2017You will learn to better use your time when you reach puber... more2D and 3D work the same and you need for reading to do.
    Let me tech something son XD
    Every face ID or scanner are the same and the 2D and 3D are 2 Dimensional and 3 Dimensional tech which 2D being increased in x, y, z.
    Say what you want to say become I won and you lost and you telling me I lost a brain.
    Now who lost his brains. XD

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      • Anonymous
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      • 10 Oct 2017

      KamAbdi, 10 Oct 20171. I'm not rambling bs, I'm saying facts. I didn't read rum... moreYou will learn to better use your time when you reach puberty and maybe get yourself a girlfriend so stop mashing the keyboard.
      So much anger and contradiction in your posts that you resort to name calling.
      Its just a waste of time with you.
      2D and 3D are not the same and it doesn't work the same way. You've had everything on your android except you seem to lack common sense and an engineering brain.

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        • Anonymous
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        • 10 Oct 2017

        [deleted post]Well there go the discussions again.
        Leading edge tech cannot be found in magazines until it is ready. It can be found in R&D labs throughout the world. Because it is at the R&D stage it is kept under wraps until it is ready for Joe Q Public.
        Be a fan of whoever or whatever you want i couldn't careless, it's misinformation presented as fact that i was speaking up about.

          Anonymous, 09 Oct 2017You're going to have to do a lot more reading up from facts... more1. I'm not rambling bs, I'm saying facts. I didn't read rumour sites.I was talking about something I study and talking to a fanboy like you, who are defending a brand cause of love.
          I was saying that because I was talking about the technology and he said it's about the implementation so I was telling him something I study and I know.
          2. You (FANBOY) before you go OFFENSIVE MODE, go read my previous posts about it and see yourself.
          3. Face ID is not something came up right now and I didn't say that so go back to my post before you make in conclusions. Face ID is a technology that exists and Apple only enhanced it and made it 3D. When a technology is presented in an object, it is always under development all the time.

          Why did other companies not come out with FaceID?!? Once Apple shows how its done properly, like TouchID, then everyone will come out with their implementation of the FaceID system.

          Apple didn't come up with anything so chillax. Apple bought the company that was making the FP scanner.
          Again a Fanboy is talking. Face ID or Face scanner exists and it is on the android phones in 2D, even my Sony Xperia Z has it. Apple names it Face ID for marketing and to distinguish her property nothing more and all the companies do that.
          The finger print censer or scanner existed in the 90s in the laptops but not implemented in the phones and it was going to be presented in the smartphones to the industry standard. Like when they and you say iphone was the first smartphone which is total wrong. There are some phones was having finger print scanner e.g. Toshiba G500 and G900 in 2007, then Apple acquired AuthenTec in 2012. So that company made the finger print and Apple had nothing to do with the technology, they only presented them in their property and bought the company so they could brag about and say we made something extraordinary and you can check all what I am saying at google.

          And no, companies don't always co-develop with governments to be market leaders, what utter nonsense.

          I didn't say that. You said it. So your saying utter nonsense.
          I said these technologies the finger print, the Iris scanner, the IP certification of water and dust and the STD MIL are from the government and military tech so they co-developed with them, not the smartphones or computers to be market leaders. LOl. Dude I think your High XD.

          Please be like me a good kid and read more. :)

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            • AnonD-80334
            • MiF
            • 09 Oct 2017

            I find it interesting to see how almost every news related to Apple iphone 8 or X regardless of where it's posted quotes 'Ming-Chi Kuo' a KGI securities analyst, whether he says iPhone 8 low sales are because of people waiting for X or iPhone 8 sales are robust or trying to create buzz that other manufacturers are 2.5 years behind apple about Face ID and now this..... How come all these media folks can quote 1 analyst from a particular investment firm, it makes me wonder whether Ming-Chi Kuo is on KGI payroll or Apple payroll.

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              • wrd
              • 09 Oct 2017

              Google takes AI approach, others took 3D sensing...
              Honestly Google went bonkers with their AI for photo. It was quite an interesting approach to do bokeh compared to dual cameras madness (now, thanks to Huawei, it may become quad camera fad, bokeh using front camera?).

              IMHO, Google should try developing mirrorless camera just for fun. It's probably will overtake most of mirrorless camera due to superior software/AI help.

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                • 09 Oct 2017

                Anonymous, 09 Oct 2017So mr computer engineer trainee, tell me what you are going... moreits so hard to make a healthy discussions in here if you are talking to a fanboy caused no matter how you will explain they will never listened caused for them their beloved company did it first and so on bla bla bla..

                If they will just look at the bigger picture.. 3d depth sensing is new to mobile phones. not just a gimmick that was implemented before...

                as the quote say "IT'S NOT ABOUT WHO DID IT FIRST BUT ITS ABOUT WHO DID IT RIGHT"



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                  • 09 Oct 2017

                  KamAbdi, 08 Oct 2017I brought up my education to show that I'm not speculating ... moreSo mr computer engineer trainee, tell me what you are going to invent and how you are going to do it? How are you going to innovate during your computer engineering course?

                  Also, it gets difficult to understand what you are writing, it goes all over the place and doesn't always make sense.
                  Most of us NON fanboys aren't defending any company but trying to tell people to look at the implementation and the way the tech used is taking the world and other companies forward.
                  If it doesn't pique yours and the other readers interests, then why even bother commenting on here whether good or derogatory?

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                    • Anonymous
                    • JaL
                    • 09 Oct 2017

                    KamAbdi, 08 Oct 2017Look Mr. Anonymous I don't work for Apple and I don't specu... moreYou're going to have to do a lot more reading up from facts and not science fiction and fanboy hate if you are serious about passing your computer engineering course at college.
                    Take a deep breath and relax, then re-read everything you wrote here. You're like a guy rambling on after you've hit your head hard on something.
                    FaceID and other things like this take time to develop (R&D kid, look it up) its now ready to deploy.
                    Why did other companies not come out with FaceID?!? Once Apple shows how its done properly, like TouchID, then everyone will come out with their implementation of the FaceID system.
                    And no, companies don't always co-develop with governments to be market leaders, what utter nonsense.
                    You sound like a good kid. Keep an open mind and do proper research in the right places not on rumour sites.

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                      • 09 Oct 2017

                      asf, 08 Oct 2017I don't believe on that "face I.D" you call any face can ... morelets wait and see if its useless or not. Its not yet available on the market soo lets not speculate as if we are expert on this kind of tech.. Lets just wait and see if this is a gimmick or not.

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                        • Anonymous
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                        • 09 Oct 2017

                        Anonymous, 08 Oct 2017When you grab the phone with your hand, that is already phy... moreIf someone grabbed my phone and was pointing it at my face to unlock it i think i would knock his lights out first and then take my phone back.

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                          • 08 Oct 2017

                          markl, 08 Oct 2017you talk as if you already tried the face i.d before you co... moreI don't believe on that "face I.D" you call
                          any face can unlock the phone if that phone has that feature
                          useless junk feature

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                            • 08 Oct 2017

                            AnonD-656673, 08 Oct 2017Face unlocking is basically useless when you're in front of... moreyou talk as if you already tried the face i.d before you comment experience it first. don't make judgement on what you see. because it might kill you.. LOL

                            have you tried it in direct sunlight:? maybe not caused its not yet available.So please stop talking as if already know caused your not.

                            Maybe you can do a little more google what is 3d depth sensing for you to understand more. This tech is already exists in Kinect mind you.

                            The point is that android still follow iphone's face i.d and that's it period. hahahaha..

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                              • 08 Oct 2017

                              Anonymous, 08 Oct 20173D imaging? Did everyone just forget about the Sony Xperia ... moreyeah but 3d depth sensing is different from 3d imaging. :)

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                                • mY{
                                • 08 Oct 2017

                                Considering Samsung said the in-display fingerprint reader was working fine on the Note 8 prototype, but that they needed more time to get brightness uniformity right, I have a feeling Apple Insider is wrong on this.
                                Also, funny to see Apple bloggers being so obsessed with what's happening on the android front. I guess Tim Crook asked them to attempt some smoke and mirrors to take attention away from the swell swelling iPhones, facial recognition that doesn't work and unsold phones in all their stores.

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                                  • Anonymous
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                                  • 08 Oct 2017

                                  We iPhone users are the guinea pigs for iPhone X and Apple. Sad part is we gonna pay 1000 dollars for their test run.

                                    Anonymous, 08 Oct 2017"FIY, I never talked about how apple implemented the Tech. ... moreI didn't speculate because I listen to the reviewers. So it failed but that doesn't mean that they can't fix.

                                    Again, if you believe this is something you throw in as a last minute before production start you really don't have a clue how this works. Especially with a product selling in the scale that iPhone does. Its simply not possible.

                                    What did i told you earlier that they are do both as a backup plan i case something didn't work so its normal apple will develop it but if the fp scanner worked they would have made it as the second feature (which still was under development) because, if they didn't develop their wouldn't be an apple pay.

                                    We do not get any further in this discussion I believe.

                                    For once I will agree with you.

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                                      • Anonymous
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                                      • 08 Oct 2017

                                      KamAbdi, 08 Oct 2017I brought up my education to show that I'm not speculating ... more"FIY, I never talked about how apple implemented the Tech. Because the way they did is good. but the Tech means is premature since it failed."

                                      You based all this on your speculations that Apple is not telling the truth of what happended on the demonstration. You can not believe what they are saying is true because its an "evil company". You don't have any proof of that though... Lets wait and see how it works in the hands of objective testers. Everything else is just speculations.

                                      "Yes they did as a backup plan other wise why they have implemented now at this year why they didn't wait for next year? Because they failed with the fingerprint scanner so they had to something because they have Apple pay."

                                      Again, if you believe this is something you throw in as a last minute before production start you really don't have a clue how this works. Especially with a product selling in the scale that iPhone does. Its simply not possible.

                                      I do not defend Apple here. I love discussion technology, im just saying wait and see before judging it. It might be bad, it might be the new TouchID which every other company will follow.

                                      We do not get any further in this discussion I believe.

                                        Anonymous, 08 Oct 2017Haha, now you bring up you education! Let me tell you I got... moreI brought up my education to show that I'm not speculating and the fact that you saying you studied and have experience show know the challenges but instead you do to Fandom war zone. When I am talking about Face ID. I am not trolling Apple. FIY, I never talked about how apple implemented the Tech. Because the way they did is good. but the Tech means is premature since it failed.

                                        Look I don't care about your education either but your saying it in order to defend your precious company. Your love is blinding you. Because if your saying that you studied and have experience you should dictate other why we are commenting on the comment section so I will assume your being a fan boy and defending in order no one has to say something at your company.

                                        You talk about the "technology itself". Why? We are talking about current implementations in smartphones, not the potential security of a technology. It does not make the security on my phone any bit safer if the implementation is crap

                                        Yes I talk and will talk because this is a tech magazine, it means that you can become a fanboy and dictate and talk about the technology you want and since your defending I can say why your defending Apple when you told me the same about why I'm putting my education.

                                        Yes they did as a backup plan other wise why they have implemented now at this year why they didn't wait for next year? Because they failed with the fingerprint scanner so they had to something because they have Apple pay.

                                        Its two completely different implementations, a 3D version being a lot more secure of course.

                                        Again you have proved my point when I said enhanced not invented.