Samsung unveils ISOCELL Plus camera sensors with 15% better light sensitivity
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- I8m
- 01 Jul 2018
FreedaBees, 29 Jun 2018The wider the sensor the greater the distance between the r... moreThat was a really crappy way for me to disagree. Sorry
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- Anonymous
- I8m
- 29 Jun 2018
FreedaBees, 29 Jun 2018The wider the sensor the greater the distance between the r... moreThose are way more extreme. You are just brainlessly defending
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- 29 Jun 2018
Anonymous, 28 Jun 2018They intentionally hold back the technology. It's a worldwi... moreThe wider the sensor the greater the distance between the rear most element of the lens and the sensor has to be. A one inch sensor would require a very thick phone. The Nokia 808, with a 1:1.2 sensor (smaller than 1") was almost 14mm thick. The Panasonic CM1, which actual had a 1" sensor, was 21mm thick. No conspiracy, just physics.
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- Anonymous
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- 29 Jun 2018
Love the Community, 27 Jun 2018No, literally everyone uses Sony IMX sensors. Exmor RS is m... moreExmor RS are a category of Sony sensors..
All imx are exmor r or exmor rs ..
Imx is not just xzp sensor
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- Luxor
- IVA
- 28 Jun 2018
LLL, 27 Jun 20180.8 micron? I for one will not be buying a phone with such ... moreSo far this is the only comment I could actually understand clearly. You got a good point too. But the main aim here is to make a sensor for 20+ megapixel camera. I think they trying to keep the same sensor size but also decreasing the pixel size. That is the only way to do it if the sensor size is unchanged. The bad thing is more noise level. The good thing is they found a a way to increase light sensitivity by 15%. Which is still not good enough. Should had just made ISOCELL with 1/1.7" size. I mean, who care about camera bulge anymore. Its literally dual camera, triple camera era now.
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- Anonymous
- I8m
- 28 Jun 2018
Anonymous, 28 Jun 2018The LG V20 is already better than what Galaxy S10 will be. ... moreObjectively in technology and software that's completely unfactual. Minus your preferences which make it subjectively better for you. Which is not the same
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- Anonymous
- JG0
- 28 Jun 2018
Anonymous, 27 Jun 2018Where is that 1/1.7 inch sensor they were working on?
And ... moreThey intentionally hold back the technology. It's a worldwide conspiracy among manufacturers (like the non-removable battery, bezelless design, notch, DRM media, ...). This is the capitalism and planned obsolescence. No wonder why the Panasonic deliberately disabled/blocked the phone call function in CM10.
Let me quote a great comment:
1" sensor on a smartphone would basically kill the purpose of point-and-shoot or any other proper compact digital cameras' purpose. A smartphone with a RX100 image quality would drag down the sales of point-and-shoot cams, and maybe even action cams (as smartphones nowadays are starting to be waterproof even w/o proper certification).
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- Anonymous
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- 28 Jun 2018
AnonD-385420, 27 Jun 2018The Future S10 phones from Samsung,will be offering Top Cla... moreThe LG V20 is already better than what Galaxy S10 will be. Why? Because LG V20 has tons of features that no other phones have all those features in one device anymore in the world (removable battery, IR blaster, FM radio, 3.5mm jack, dedicated microSD card slot, slimport TV out, proper body design: no curved screen edges and corners, no notch, 16:9 screen, non-glass body, ...). The only obvious exception is the CPU and camera performance, which are just mandatory upgrades from year to year.
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- Anonymous
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- 28 Jun 2018
"The enhancements in ISOCELL Plus will allow Samsung to build image sensors with 0.8 µm pixels (and even smaller) without losing performance."
That would be the stupidest thing to do.
Any smart people know that even with the new technology, the phone makers still should increase the sensor size and pixel size.
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- 28 Jun 2018
abubasim, 28 Jun 2018The depressing side of this news is that we will not see pi... moreYes, that is the unfortunate outcome.
They will make the sensor smaller, so the optics can be smaller, so it doesn't use as much space in the device. And the device can be made thinner.
Low light performance in todays mobiles isn't where it should be at, so any development in technology should be used while keeping the pixel-size to actually increase the performance.
They can start the shrinking process when the technology is mature... But when that point is reached, there is still the decision, between reducing size and increasing the pixel count. Increased pixel count could also be used like fujifilm used to, with HDR sensors, that actually capture 2 images at once from a single sensor, so not the typical pixel-binning.
And what happened to curved sensors, they were supposed to make the production of lenses simpler.. as I understood it, the complete package sensor + lens would be thinner than compared to traditional systems, even though the curved sensor itself used a bit more space.
The move to more sensors is good, though...
But I would like stereoscopic set-up, for extended wide angle (instead of the use of a ultra-wide angle set-up... the LG system disappoints), and 3D (with VR/AR glasses). Perhaps with a 3rd Tele/Portrait set-up, in the middle of the two sensors. And a good image processor that can handle the output of the cameras, interpolate, 3D map, in pretty much real-time.
Super slow-mo is just a gimmick, but if I'm not mistaken, the technology also gives better performance for high frame-rate recording, and typical slow-motion.
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- Anonymous
- I8m
- 28 Jun 2018
abubasim, 28 Jun 2018The depressing side of this news is that we will not see pi... moreSadly so. Just like when we finally get those graphene batteries. Which can fit 40% more capacity in the same size....
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- 28 Jun 2018
The depressing side of this news is that we will not see picture quality improve. The better light sensitivity will be used to make sensors smaller or bring up resolution.
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- Anonymous
- IV8
- 28 Jun 2018
Anonymous, 27 Jun 2018"Without losing performance". What bollocks! I am pretty s... moreCalling them bollocks while you yourself are just "pretty sure".. LOL They did the RnD.. The light focusing and guidance provided by the wall increase the performance of the ISOCELL 0.8 micron pixel to the level of 1.4 micron regular pixel without the wall.. Technology does improve.. The same as car engine nowadays people get more or equal power out of smaller capacity engines
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- 28 Jun 2018
Jamesschwarz987, 27 Jun 2018Well for the MP numbers. Believe it but Megapixels is still... morethey use omnivision instead, for a better price. better price for company XD
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- Anonymous
- I8m
- 28 Jun 2018
Jamesschwarz987, 27 Jun 2018Well design is still have more attraction in the most consu... moreCm1 and 808 successor
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- 27 Jun 2018
Anonymous, 27 Jun 2018Where is that 1/1.7 inch sensor they were working on?
And ... moreWell design is still have more attraction in the most consumer (that would use this kind of device, well average user).
Well i hope there's another and better Lumix CM1 replacement. 1" sensor with 1-1,5 cm body thick would be a good thing.
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- 27 Jun 2018
Anonymous, 27 Jun 2018"Without losing performance". What bollocks!
I am pretty s... moreWell for the MP numbers. Believe it but Megapixels is still a powerful marketing, since average user don't have any idea to compare the camera spec sheet, other than it.
There's a reason why Vivo and Oppo are known for a "Selfie Expert", even without a great sensor in its selfie cam lol
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- 27 Jun 2018
Anonymous, 27 Jun 2018Iphone with 1.22 micron does better than s8 with 1.44I bet you even never zoomed in your iphone photos and realized how bad it is.
Well, it's still not a question yet when Apple switched into larger sensor, instead the use of 1/3" since iPhone 4 lol