What is color science and why does it matter?
- EskeRahn
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- 11 Nov 2018
Nick Tagataka, 10 Nov 2018Unfortunately no. So you're basically stuck with jpeg output.For those wanting raw on mobile. Consider the app "Open Camera". As the name indicates it is free and with no Ads!
And works (at the least) as good as the build in app on a Samsung S8, with a bunch of extra features. And not infested with Samsung's junk.
It might not work equally well on all phones/phablets, but it is certainly worth a try,
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namla, 11 Nov 2018Great article.. thank you team GSMArenathis is a good article please don't bash it please
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- 10 Nov 2018
F C.K. me if you want a decent picture just buy a decent camera , and get a cheap smartphone... it will be many years before cameras on phones can get anywhere close , with out having to some computer processing rather than a raw image. Why do you think camera’s still sell for more than the price of smartphones but offer 100x a better picture
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- 10 Nov 2018
travis999, 10 Nov 2018All of which is another reason that If you want a decent pi... more35mm better than digital?! Really? Do you remember having to need different film for different lighting situations? Remember the noise/grain that appears with high iso film that must be used when the lights are dim.
Film isn practical, was always hugely expensive and elitist. Market dominated by 3 companies who charged a fortune.
You would only use film now if you could totally control the shooting situation. It gives you zero spontaneity unless you carry around three different cameras preloaded with different types of film.
Great for professionals but for the rest of us? No.
Phone cameras have brought the fun of photography to the masses.
- Whackcar
- y@W
- 10 Nov 2018
I'd say all the top dogs have figured out the right color science. You'd rarely find anyone criticizing that particular aspect of these phones outside of personal preference. Most people argue regarding the level of detail, sharpness, noise, saturation & dynamic range.
Personally, i like Huawei's approach to photography the most as they offer the most advanced manual mode along with RAW capture support and even their Auto mode images are great in all lighting conditions (with Master AI turned off). They're behind in Videography though, and I'd like them to improve on that front.
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- 10 Nov 2018
Anonymous, 10 Nov 2018"This is why talk of color science with proper cameras is m... moreI edit raw files for several years and it's just annoying. I get great results, but I want out-of-camera jpgs with great results, I don't want to waste my time.
And even when you edit raw files, the jpg color science is extremely important!! Raw converters have their own color science (color profile), which is often based on the color profile of the out-of-camera jpgs!!! When the raw converter doesn't provide a good color profile, then the raw files are useless.. Furthermore it's very important that the automatic white balance is good, otherwise you need to guess the correct white balance afterwards and that's nearly impossible (and using a grey card is very inconvenient).
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- Anonymous
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- 10 Nov 2018
"This is why talk of color science with proper cameras is meaningless as you'd be usually shooting in RAW (as you should)"
No, camera manufacturers should just make better out-of-camera jpgs. Many professional photographes, including sports photographers or journalists, use out-of-camera jpgs. Raw is just a workaround because the out-of-camera jpgs are not as you want them to be. That's the fault of the camera manufacturer, not the fault of the user. Most people who buy "real cameras" don't edit raw files.
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- 10 Nov 2018
Anonymous, 10 Nov 2018Yes, LG went downhill in photo quality after the V20.My LG G4 beat (2015) has a very good camera - crisp and color accurate despite only having 8MP when that time 13MP was the base. They had one of the best image processing before. Now IDK.
- EskeRahn
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- 10 Nov 2018
Anonymous, 10 Nov 2018For me colder colors are better than warm over saturated colors. These two are not opposites.
Moving the white point does not have to be related to over saturated or exaggerated colours.
You can have either or both independently
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- 10 Nov 2018
Nick Tagataka, 10 Nov 2018LG HAD one of the best auto jpeg processing back in 2015-20... moreYes, LG went downhill in photo quality after the V20.
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- 10 Nov 2018
Anonymous, 10 Nov 2018I'd say LG has the best jpeg image processing in terms of c... moreLG HAD one of the best auto jpeg processing back in 2015-2016, but now it's a real disaster.
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- 10 Nov 2018
Anonymous, 10 Nov 2018Do Sony smartphones support RAW? I don't think so.Unfortunately no. So you're basically stuck with jpeg output.
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user, 10 Nov 2018LG G5 has great colors that are both pleasant and accurate ... moreG5 is indeed very good. When my relative bought one the photos reminded me of my old Nokia N8 - the colors weren't aggressive but simply the most faithful you could get. And if you processed them afterwards you could get "punchy" pics like those from other phones, if you wanted. But you couldn't get the "unprocessed" G5/N8 look from pics taken by other phones.
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- 10 Nov 2018
..., 10 Nov 2018Yes right xperia automode camera is poor. You have to switc... moreDude, do you even know what you're saying?? LMAO
Manual Mode will ALWAYS produce better results than in Auto Mode, given you know how to adjust things correctly.
Auto Mode, at best, will only be able to be as good as Manual Mode, and it would never be better than Manual Mode, since the user has the control of everything on it.
Saying you'd only use professional cameras when using Manual Mode is like saying you'd only buy flagship phones for durability; it's a great idea, but no need to imply that mid rangers and budget devices aren't good enough.
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- 10 Nov 2018
LG G5 has great colors that are both pleasant and accurate enough. I usually edit RAW photos but there often isn't anything to change in the colors, as they usually are very good. They're natural but also punchy enough. Pretty much the only occasion where they weren't good was a sunset, but a rather specific one. But then I just changed WB to cooler in manual for that one sunset that was rendered very yellow and all the colors then looked even better than reality!
GCam from Pixels, on the other hand, produced pretty bad results in a lot of situations. The blue sky would look very desaturated and kept changing tones in a single image where it should've been one plain blue! It also sometimes produces a lot of cyans where it's relatively dark blue. A few photos may also look too brown at parts. Along with terrible haloing. Disappointing.
- Stathis Scania
- xvR
- 10 Nov 2018
I can't really choose a specific smartphone for its photo outcome as no one gets everything great (perfect is a whole other story), usually depending on the scene different phone does best (taking about Auto)
For example:
I'd trust iPhone XS/XS Max for night shots when there are lights in the scene (SmartHDR does good to great usually), but I'd go with Huawei Mate 20 Pro and its Night Mode for night scenes that don't have bright lights. For daylight shots it's hard to choose a single one, each one has its perks, tho iPhone XS/XS Max and Mate 20 Pro are great when shooting towards sun/clouds/light. Samsung needs some work from their developers on this matter.. I still have Note 8 a year and a month now, and I don't see a serious reason to upgrade yet, other than the single speaker that is.
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- 10 Nov 2018
Yes right xperia automode camera is poor. You have to switch to manual mode to get better pictures.
Which is stup*d.. if i really want to use manual mode i would choose real camera, not smart phone camera.