Samsung working on Exynos 992 for the Note20 lineup
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- I8m
- 07 May 2020
alabama22, 01 May 2020When will they finally learn?! Just stick with Snapdragon a... moreYeah even though exynos was superior overall from Galaxy S1 to Galaxy s8
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- Viper
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- 02 May 2020
It will be good by using arm core they can save money in making semi custom cores moreover they can invest that money in producing a good gpu by using amd rdna ip.Exynos should be their in market otherwise their will be only qualcom and they will sell processor in high price(Yeah i excluded kirin cause they are only sold more in china).2021 will be important for samsung as they will produce a flagship chip with arm cores and amd gpu so lets see how it goes against sd875
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- Nick Tagataka
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- 02 May 2020
AnonD-754814, 02 May 2020Well, the initial debate was being better overall(both CPU ... more"we can say the CPU performance is same"
Here I am wondering why you keep ignoring everything I said about Anandtech's benchmarking results.
"Kirin 980 throttles 10% more"
..And you also pretend not to see the fact that the % performance reduction as a result of throttling is nothing to do with the chipset itself, as exemplified by Honor View 20's superiority in sustained GPU performance over BOTH Mate 20 series and Exynos S10. Throttling is caused by insufficient heat dissipation and there's no way that you can claim "A throttles x% more than B" unless you're comparing those chipsets side by side soldered on the same motherboard and cooled in identical conditions. Snapdragon vs Exynos throttling comparison makes a lot more sense - the rest of the phone is pretty much identical hence one can assume the cooling is also the same. The same doesn't apply for Exynos vs Kirin as they are simply on different phones.
"I'm pretty sure the Kirin 990 will throttle much more than Kirin 980"
That's some very wild assumption that doesn't really make sense in any way, but here's the results you can see in case you want to check you made a correct guess.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15603/the-samsung-galaxy-s20-s20-ultra-exynos-snapdragon-review-megalomania-devices/9
Tl;dr, In a chassis where SD865 does similarly to SD855+ in sustained perform, Exynos 990's GPU throttles down to below-Kirin 980 performance more often than not.
From those results I cannot tell if this means it's more prone to throttling than Kirin 990 or not (As I said already: different chassis = different cooling = no direct comparison can be made), but if YOU would like to ignore what I said above and stick to your own logic, then YOU go ahead and criticise this year's Exynos. Oh, and this isn't even Kirin 990 5G that is on P40 Pro, but the regular version that uses 7nm process node instead of 7nm+.
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- 02 May 2020
Nick Tagataka, 02 May 2020Antutu measures not only CPU/GPU, but also UX as well as me... moreWell, the initial debate was being better overall(both CPU & GPU).
So, as Kirin 980 CPU is better on AnTutu and Exynos 9820 is better on Geekbench.
So, we can say the CPU performance is same. The GPU performance of Exynos 9820 is way better. Also the Kirin 980 throttles 10% more than the Exynos 9820.
These make the Exynos better than Kirin overall.
Also keeping last years Kirin 980's throttling issue in mind, I'm pretty sure the Kirin 990 will throttle much more than Kirin 980.
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- Nick Tagataka
- gRx
- 02 May 2020
AnonD-754814, 02 May 2020So, you're ignoring Geekbench result which is completely fo... moreAntutu measures not only CPU/GPU, but also UX as well as memory performance which are irrelevant to what we're discussing here because they are not directly dependant on SoCs (especially the latter - more RAM/faster RAM = better memory subscore). As for GB, remember Exynos 9820 scored significantly higher than SD855 in single core and managed to edge it out in multi core scores as well, yet other CPU intensive tests generally Exynos was a tad slower while sucking more power to do the same task as SD. GB is one way to measure the CPU performance, yes, but SPEC2006 used by Anandtech is more comprehensive and so are other CPU-intensive benchmarks that they use.
"familiar with the GPU result"
I don't know why you brought this up when I made it very clear that my whole idea is Kirin 980 packs better CPU cores while Exynos 9820 is superiour in GPU performance, hence to say Exynos 9820 is "better" than Kirin 980 as a whole is inaccurate. GPU performance was never a point of discussion because we both already know Exynos performs better here.
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- AnonD-754814
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- 02 May 2020
Nick Tagataka, 02 May 2020Kirin 980 scores higher than Exynos 9820 in CPU section of ... moreSo, you're ignoring Geekbench result which is completely focused on CPU test and referring AnTutu which is meant to give overall result.
Nice way to argue on the topic.
So, as you brought AnTutu's single part result.
Then you also be familiar with the GPU result ?
980's GPU performs like old Exynos 9810.
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- Nick Tagataka
- gRx
- 02 May 2020
AnonD-754814, 01 May 2020980 better in every benchmark test ?
Which world are you l... moreKirin 980 scores higher than Exynos 9820 in CPU section of Antutu Benchmark which is exactly my point, just saying.
"where do you get your results from"
I literally said "where Kirin 980 devices show a higher number on every single benchmark THEY used" and gave you the link to the collection of system performance benchmarks performed by Anandtech. By "they" I meant Anandtech.
If replying for the sake of arguing is what you like to do then I have no reason to waste my time on this.. Don't want to read what I say properly but still continue labelling me as a fanboy? Well what should I say, I honestly have no comeback.
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- 01 May 2020
Anonymous, 01 May 2020I don't know which one is actually better... But darker and... moreExactly the case.
P40 pro is guilty of brightening the image at the cost of blowing up colors and smearing up details for less noisy images.
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- 01 May 2020
Nick Tagataka, 01 May 2020I also mentioned the system performance where Kirin 980 dev... more980 better in every benchmark test ?
Which world are you living man ?
Or are you saying you're right and GSMARENA, androidauthority, Geekbench, AnTutu all are wrong ?
Geekbench says, Exynos 9820 better in multi core and way better in single core.
Same goes for the AnTutu. Much better results.
I don't see anyone who's claiming Kirin 980 better.
So, where do you get your results from ?
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- alabama22
- gDU
- 01 May 2020
When will they finally learn?! Just stick with Snapdragon and ditch the shitty Exynos for good! This is why I switched to an iPhone because Samsung uses the shitty Exynos in Europe instead of the Snapdragon SoC so instead of the Note10+ I got an 11 Pro.
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- 01 May 2020
AnonD-754814, 01 May 2020Now you're talking about energy efficiency.
Very funny. Yo... moreI also mentioned the system performance where Kirin 980 devices show a higher number on every single benchmark they used, go take a good read.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/9
"The midrange SoC is more energy efficient than flagship-grade"
M4 cores inside Exynos perform JUST AS WELL AS Kirin's semi-custom A76s while consuming 20-50% MORE POWER on average. Midrange SoC... did you already forgot we're comparing flagship SoCs here? Actually, did you even look through the review that I linked?
And I'm a fanboy for claiming Exynos 9820 is not a better SoC than Kirin 980? Wow ok, now that's what I call pot calling a kettle black. Because to me it looks like you're the one who's trying to bash others who have opposing opinions, and you're making it very clear in the second paragraph of your comment.
Some people really lack an ability to argue without involving personal attacks, so they.. Disappointing attitude.
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- Anonymous
- I8m
- 01 May 2020
AnonD-754814, 29 Apr 2020Well, That is not true.
The CPU performance gap is unnoti... moreI don't know which one is actually better... But darker and noisier doesn't automatically mean worse. In fact it can technically mean better.
It could mean a more natural lit photo with less iso and possibly better exposure and dynamic dynamic range. Less blown highlights.
And the left over noise could mean less smeared detail.
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- 01 May 2020
Nick Tagataka, 01 May 2020https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10... moreNow you're talking about energy efficiency.
Very funny. You always find a way to do this.
The midrange SoC is more energy efficient than flagship-grade. That doesn't make the midrange SoC more efficient. So, stop giving lame logic.
The truth is Kirin SoC is the worst and will always remain at the last.
Those who claim otherwise are just Huawei Fanboys for sure. I don't need to label them. It's obvious.
Also for CPU the multicore results are almost close(still Exynos better). But Single core ? Exynos just destroys Kirin.
So overall we can say Exynos is better by a respectable margin.
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- Anonymous
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- 01 May 2020
Spanky, 29 Apr 2020In my opinion, the decision to use fewer cores, but with hi... moreThat's a poor decision that just hits their image and trust a little deeper.
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- Anonymous
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- 01 May 2020
chester, 28 Apr 2020They can't catch up...
Qualcomm used 10 000 engineers to... moreAnd again....2010 to 2017 they were superior. So it's not like they have zero experience or are just trying to dabble in everything.....
And even your point proves it's more on their airheaded bosses giving unrealistic expectations and limitations.
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- Anonymous
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- 01 May 2020
chester, 29 Apr 2020Lol... you may hate me all you want but it doesn't change t... moreYoure the one trying to change facts and reality.
Because Samsung is the one having to put the time and money into those chips, the first 8 out of 11 were superior, and Qualcomm patents are one of the main reason they use them at all besides helping with supply and demand.
....duh?????
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- Anonymous
- km}
- 01 May 2020
horsepower288, 29 Apr 2020Ever heard that history repeats itself? Last year SD and Ki... moreBy your logic everyone else could blunder while Samsung comes out ahead. If the past is repeating itself.
So again they could definitely at least get closer. However that they could do and what they end up doing or are bring forced to/limited to is what's more up in the air.
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- Anonymous
- km}
- 01 May 2020
Spanky, 29 Apr 2020True. The same thing is happening in the premium mid-range ... moreAlways a bit late??? Lol ok
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- Nick Tagataka
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- 01 May 2020
AnonD-754814, 30 Apr 2020you just finished the last piece of admiration I had of you... morehttps://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/7
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/10
Nope. CPU wise Kirin 980 is roughly on par with Exynos 9820 in performance while being comfortably ahead of it in overall power efficiency, and it's clearly reflected on the overall system performance. Though the latter has more performant GPU and achieves higher continuous fps in 3D graphics benchmarks so it evens out, but my point that Kirin is not a *worse* SoC still stands. As for the throttling behaviour under heavy GPU load - View 20 has a better cooling system than Mate 20 Pro and performs admirably for a 2018 flagship phone with very small gap between the peak and sustained performance despite carrying the same SoC, therefore it's not really a problem with the chip itself.
"you just finished the last piece of admiration I had of you"
I haven't had one of you since the first me you told me that I was biased to the company so I guess that'll make us even then. Stop labelling people as a fanboy before even starting arguments with them.. grow up, yeah?
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- 30 Apr 2020
Spanky, 30 Apr 2020Yes, but the Snapdragon 765G is more energy efficient, bein... moreCortex A77 is also more energy efficient than cortex A76.
In this case the Exynos is more efficient.
Now, which one is more efficient overall, I can't say. I don't think there is much info about this.