The MediaTek Dimensity 820 will reach 2.6GHz CPU clocks, will power a 5G Redmi
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Mediatek sux, 18 May 2020Yeah thats probably the problem with samsung, the 990 has b... moreI don't think the exynos 992 will be any better unless they change some characteristics.
Like clocking one(2 would be better) m core close to 3 GHz other 2 core at 2.2GHz or less. set the A55 speed back to 1.8GHz
Use more than 12 core GPU and clock it around 700MHz.
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AnonD-754814, 18 May 2020Edit : At 7th line read GPU in place of CPU. Now about ... moreYeah thats probably the problem with samsung, the 990 has been the worst exynos compared to sd. I read somewhere the 992 is said to be more powerful than 865, but who knows at what power usage. Rdna gpus would make qualcomm work again on their gpus, would be exciting.
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- 18 May 2020
This is brilliant by MediaTek in response to SD 768G chipset. At low price, I bet the Mediatek chipsets would be more successful.
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- 18 May 2020
That is amazing CPU speed man. Dimensity 820 will definitely be a powerful processor.
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- 18 May 2020
expecting some brilliant features from mediatek Dimensity 820 as well as a consumer friendly 5G smartphone from Redmi
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- 18 May 2020
Everyone is looking at the speed they want 2.6 2.8ghz speed its now about speed in smartphone soc its abour mixture of speed of efficiency.If the cpu throttels then whats the use of that high speed.The only part qualcom is ahead is the gpu part mali gpu is not bad but at high speed they produce a lot of heat.Lets how how samsung comes up with amd.If that amd gpu could fight the adreno gpu with equal efficiency then it will be great.A mediatek chip with amd gpu will be great.Qualcom has done enough monopoly the price of qualcom chip is quite pricy.Its time that exynos and mediatek rise up and end this monopoly
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- 18 May 2020
The enhanced CPU speed is incredible. Mediatek has its eyes set to deliver to best with its 5G chipsets.
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Mediatek sux, 17 May 2020Its not like i know much, i just look at the numbers on ana... moreEdit : At 7th line read GPU in place of CPU.
Now about wondering how efficient the Dimensity 1000 will be ,
No manufacturers ever made more efficient GPU than Samsung Exynos.
So, as both the 1000 and exynos 990 is using same GPU. Unless they clock the GPU lower and make it weak it won't be efficient.
But as I said yesterday Samsung mobile division(not exynos division) didn't get it right.
They may have messed up with the software or they couldn't implement it right as there was no exynos custom core division to help them with the SoC optimization.
But as seeing other mediatek SoC we can hope the dimensity 1000 to be energy efficient.
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- 18 May 2020
AndroidMaster, 17 May 2020Everyone knows Anandtech is Apple biased! They has to be biased as Apple has the best SoC in the mobile market.
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Mediatek sux, 17 May 2020Its not like i know much, i just look at the numbers on ana... moreWell, I take your words about PUBG as I don't have much experience in mobile game.
But from my gaming experience I can say that shooting games doesn't use that much CPU.
Racing games use more. The emulator games use most CPU for PC.
Speaking about SD 660. You do know that even Exynos 9610 has better processing power than SD660.
Now about DImensity 1000L. ARM do make very efficient GPU like their CPU. But the problem is to make that CPU competitive manufacturers(SoC) have to waste double money than Qualcomm(this is my logic). They need to use many cores because Mali is good at lower frequency. But they can't. This will make the SoC pricier than Apple SoC.
As dimensity use lower count core and lower frequency that SoC has to be GPU efficient.
That's what I think about the Exynos 980. Should be very efficient.
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- 18 May 2020
AndroidMaster, 17 May 2020Everyone knows Anandtech is Apple biased! Well good thing we are comparing android socs here.
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- 17 May 2020
Mediatek sux, 17 May 2020Its not like i know much, i just look at the numbers on ana... moreEveryone knows Anandtech is Apple biased!
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- 17 May 2020
AnonD-754814, 17 May 2020I have known you since some days. I know you know very well... moreIts not like i know much, i just look at the numbers on anandtech. Depends on the games, pubgm does use high clocks a lot, especially in close quarters fights, entering new areas, etc. (Tested on my sd855 with ingame max settings and aa off). It could also be using a lot of the gpu, but i cant seem to access gpu clock without root.
And samsung also doesnt allow their devices to get hot, its like max 35 c or something, while xiaomi i think allows 40. I guess thats why you see the s20 throttle in that game vs redmi note 8 pro.
Pubgm is more cpu bound from what i see, i think sd 660 runs it better than sd 820, even though 820 has double gpu power. Gfxbench
Is gpu bound, uses very low clocks on cpu, 700-800mhz on big cores with 1ghz on small cores with 1-2 times 2ghz on big cores for an like half a second. Prime core stayed at lowest clock throughout the test. Tested manhattan 3.1.
Yeah now that i looked more, 1000l is very weak gpu, even weaker than sd 845. But still great efficiency. I wonder how the normal 1000 performs. Kirin 990 gpu is great though beating 855. Though i would like to see 855+ gpu on anandtechs comparisons to see its efficiency.
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Mediatek sux, 17 May 2020I didnt get it. Just hoping it would be those numbers. Othe... moreI have known you since some days. I know you know very well about SoCs.
But do you really think The CPU throttles while playing games ? Because demanding graphics games most of the time use less than half of CPU power of flagship SoC.
Edit : Dimensity 1000l uses low performance GPU. So, being efficient is natural.
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- 17 May 2020
Mediatek sux, 17 May 2020I didnt get it. Just hoping it would be those numbers. Othe... moreI wasn't talking about only exynos 990. I'm not sure if the fault goes fully to the hardware.
This year Samsung has done really bad with the software side.
If you have read the Anandtech review of S20s then you have also read that S20 Ultra's exynos is performing noticeably worse than the regular s20's exynos.
Well my point wasn't that,
If you see all the chart of Mali GPU's from all SoC maker and compare it with Qualcomm you'll find how efficient is Qualcomm's GPU.
Historically Samsung has implemented the Mali GPU much better then the Mali GPU actually is. The proof is the energy efficiency and performance of Exynos GPU compared to Kirin or MediaTek GPU. Actually Kirin's and MediTek's GPU performance or efficiency are on per with older Exynos GPU.
For Example :
Kirin 980's GPU performance should be on the par with Exynos 9820. But Kirin 980 matches older Exynos 9810.
Exynos 9820 GPU's performance per watt is noticeably ahead of Kirin 980.
Even with this efficiency Exynos GPU is not as efficient as SD.
So, this years result really shocked me.
I think , Samsung probably didn't really get much help to optimize the SoC better as they fired the custom core division.
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AnonD-754814, 17 May 2020Where did you get the TDP info ?
I tried but failed to ge... moreI didnt get it. Just hoping it would be those numbers. Otherwise it would just throttle fast. Apple a12x gives those scores too, but at 8w (source anandtech) and the 11 inch ipad also throttles a lot. And this new exynos is going to be in a phone. 5nm and no m cores should help i guess.
The m cores are actually really bad, from anandtech - "however still falls behind the Snapdragon 865 by 11 and 3%.
The performance differences aren’t that big an issue, the elephant in the room is the fact that the Exynos chip here requires double the energy to achieve slightly lower performance to its competitor. That’s massively disappointing and quite worrying for the Exynos 990 based Galaxy S20’s." They do these tests with active cooling, so none of the phones throttle.
I think the cpu doesnt throttle in geekbench/antutu because they use special modes for benchmark apps, like xiaomi. While in pubgm or others they dont, which was shown in that note 8 pro vs s20 exynos video.
The mali gpu in the kirin 990 4g and dimensity 1000l are actually really good, 990 is quite a bit better than sd855 gpu and 1000l is very close to sd865 gpu. The numbers are on the exynos vs sd s20 ultra review on anandtech. Mali does have poor drivers that make it harder for emulator devs, but normal android games, i dont think they are any worse - unless they are exynos.
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Anonymous, 17 May 2020thing is if they exynos 992 it would just perform the same... moreHow do you even know the CPU throttles ?
Quiet speaking from your mind rather than facts.
I hope you know that The SoC isn't a CPU only.
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AnonD-754814, 17 May 2020Is mongoose that power hungry ? I mean I've heard the the... morething is if they exynos 992 it would just perform the same tgis processer can't sustain a high clock speed for long tested the exynos 9810 9820 990 the mongoose cores throttle down from 2.3 2.6 to 1.2 to 1.1 ghz and with bad scheduler the other cores are not even used properly it tle about 5 min to throttle the cpu in game like fornite pubg
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Mediatek sux, 17 May 2020Ah yes, the same huge r&d budget and a experienced team... moreIs mongoose that power hungry ?
I mean I've heard the theoretical analysis of mongoose being power hungry. But Is that all ? What about real world energy performance ?
We know that the difference between SD 865 and Exynos 990 is 12-15% when it comes to energy efficiency.
So, if we say it this way,
The exynos 990 is running the same low power Cortex A55 like SD 865 But at 2.0 GHz where SD 865 is running at 1.8 GHz. 0.2GHz more on Exynos.
So, this definitely has an impact on battery life.
Exynos is using older Cortex A76/A75(Exynos 990/9820) for secondary power.
This has to be a hit on battery.
And If we get to the GPU part we can say that the MALI GPU is anything but efficient.
Huawei Kirin and Mediatek are two big example. Both are poor at energy efficiency.
So, I can say the GPU is responsible for at least half of the battery hit.
I also think Samsung went cheap and stupid last 2 years.
First of all they should have used all custom core or at least four custom high perf core. But they used two. Probably mongoose cores are pricey. Also they should have clocked one mongoose core at 2.9-3.0 GHz and other at around 2.5GHz. I really hope(probably not going to happen) the new Exynos 992 (refresh of Exynos 990) does clock one core at around 3.0GHz.
secondly they could have used 15-16 Mali G77 core instead of 11 and clocked it lower. Then the GPU would consume less or same energy but wouldn't produce heat and throttle so badly.
SN : Remember, my analysis are only based on my logic and doubt. I'm not saying Mongoose cores are very energy efficient.
I'm just indicating something that others ignore and put full blame on mongoose. So if we take all those thing into account then is mongoose core that inefficient as we think ?
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Mediatek sux, 17 May 2020Ah yes, the same huge r&d budget and a experienced team... moreWhere did you get the TDP info ?
I tried but failed to get the info ?