Apple's Macs are moving to ARM-based custom processors

22 June 2020
This move was rumored a lot, and a long time coming.

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Adul Al Salami Kebab, 01 Aug 2020So umm how will CS:GO run on a ARM based MAC?Maybe with this translation software called Rosetta 2.
CS:GO is originally made in x86-64, and Rosetta 2 will translate it into ARM64 so then it can be run.

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    • Adul Al Salami Kebab
    • nrX
    • 01 Aug 2020

    So umm how will CS:GO run on a ARM based MAC?

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      • stobs
      • YMu
      • 06 Jul 2020

      Anonymous, 26 Jun 2020Books existed before the invention of the Gutenberg press. ... moreso basically what you're saying is without TSMC (gutenberg press), Apple wouldn't be able to manufacture more than a handful of macs since they have to do it themselves! albeit at a much smaller scale. perhaps in Woz's room again. effectively i don't see what you're trying to prove here.

      without apple, the original would not exist. true.
      without tsmc, the authorised recreations (i'd rather not use 'duplicate' in this case) would not exist either. that's also true.

      apple would certainly exist without tsmc but they wouldn't be able to manufacture as many products without tsmc, unless they were able to create their own factory - while they did not have the funds to do such a thing back then, they do have the funds for this today but still choose not to go ahead with their own factory, as it would mean they have to employ US citizens for that which would increase costs/lower their exorbitant margins.

      tsmc would also exist without apple and would be manufacturing stuff for other companies. perhaps they won't be as big as they are today.

      after all, tsmc is just a "printing press". nothing special about a large facility where the technological capability to mass manufacture sensitive components exists. you can just hand-paint the components on paper and we're done! or use the more recent techniques where you can etch pcb's using laser printers. who needs a big facility?

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        • stobs
        • tT1
        • 26 Jun 2020

        Anonymous, 23 Jun 2020obviously you haven't seen the keynote or too lazy to googl... moreonly those built on project catalyst https://developer.apple.com/mac-catalyst/
        apple cunningly left out that part - not a major deal but basically, there's no such thing as magic. someone has to do the work somewhere.

        this is similar in concept to what windows did with metro but ultimately will be more successful due to the larger number of ios app store apps vs. windows store apps

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          • Anonymous
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          • 26 Jun 2020

          stobs, 26 Jun 2020if nobody was able to print the book, the author wouldn't b... moreBooks existed before the invention of the Gutenberg press. They were written by hand. 1 person composed the text, others copied it. Only the original author can be credited with the book's creation, because without them no copies would ever exist.

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            • YMu
            • 26 Jun 2020

            Anonym, 23 Jun 2020If you want to play semantics then at least get the termino... moreif nobody was able to print the book, the author wouldn't be able to do anything.

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              • YMu
              • 26 Jun 2020

              1) "Because Macs are switching to ARM, developers will be able to make their iPhone and iPad apps available for Macs without any modifications, and users will get them through the Mac App Store." - no it does not work that way. if it did, these 'macs' would only be running ios with an osx skin OR all the iphones & ipads are actually running osx with an ios skin which nobody knew about.

              2) only reason they can afford to do this is cos their mac market share is very low. didn't work out for windows cos their market share is too high.

                Game over for Intel :) AMD pushing over now Apple leaving them to rot, its time for Intel to wake up I guess, because they are in complete shit

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                  • Anonymous
                  • KgZ
                  • 25 Jun 2020

                  Anonymous, 24 Jun 2020Why would I use surface pro X when a fully featured Surface... morethe surface pro x uses an ARM processor that is why we are comparing it with the ARM mac, if the ARM mac uses the wide apps now available on the app store and it runs natively, then people will be using the ARM mac, the flop of the surface pro x is that most intel based app is not stable on this device, it crashes, with apple they are migrating the macos app from intel to ARM, they are the one providing the developers with the tools to ease the transition, compared to microsoft who just release the surface pro x without looking at compatibility

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                    • Anonymous
                    • KgZ
                    • 25 Jun 2020

                    Anonymous, 24 Jun 2020The move has nothing to do with Intel. This move is purely... morename a company that isn't always about the money... google, samsung, huawei, who, name one...

                    selling an item is not charity, its all about the profit

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                      • Anonymous
                      • KgZ
                      • 25 Jun 2020

                      I.S, 23 Jun 2020Apple moves to build their own CPU to cut production price.... morewow we have an apple employee leaking prices here. he knows the prices already

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                        • Anonymous
                        • Nxp
                        • 24 Jun 2020

                        Anonymous, 24 Jun 2020The move has nothing to do with Intel. This move is purely... moreSure thing, sport, whatever you say

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                          • Anonymous
                          • XRg
                          • 24 Jun 2020

                          Anonymous, 23 Jun 2020yeah windows reign supreme like the surface pro x, and arm ... moreWhy would I use surface pro X when a fully featured Surface pro 7 with a vast ecosystem of x86 supporting apps is already available?
                          I'll pay few dollars more and buy that over functionally challenged iPad OS.
                          IPad simply submits in front of Surface Pro 7 and begs for mercy.

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                            • Anonymous
                            • uSW
                            • 24 Jun 2020

                            The move has nothing to do with Intel. This move is purely to make more money for Apple. ARM based Macs will be able to use most iOS apps without needing to be converted. There are hundreds of thousands of iOS apps available right now. ARM-based Macs will have more software available than current Macs. Apple will make more money if they can streamline all their apps together that syncs iPhones, iPads, and Macs. Don't over-analyze it. It's Apple, it's always about money.

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                              • Anonymous
                              • 81X
                              • 24 Jun 2020

                              I.S, 23 Jun 2020Apple moves to build their own CPU to cut production price.... moreAlternatively, Apple grew fed up with intel's pricing, foot dragging on performance and multi-core for the last decade, and more recently, their inability to move beyond 14nm. While AMD is riding high now, they just don't have the long term track record to bank on. At the time this strategy was devised (clearly this has been a very long game) AMD was on life support with 2nd rate processors. For better or worse, with in-house designs Apple controls their own destiny.

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                                • Anonymous
                                • 81X
                                • 24 Jun 2020

                                Dan, 22 Jun 2020How long will it take for their ARM chips to out perform th... moreNo way to know - nothing they've released publicly yet has anything more than passive cooling in small cramped enclosures. We will know more once the dev hardware starts hitting peoples' desks.

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                                  • 5Mb
                                  • 23 Jun 2020

                                  alex, 22 Jun 2020"flagship partner" LOL. What are u smoking? They are barely... moreobviously, by "flagship partner", nobody would think it's about market share/sales volume. It's about quality, importance, reputation, price, etc.

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                                    • Anonymous
                                    • PGq
                                    • 23 Jun 2020

                                    Anonymous, 23 Jun 2020I am imagining what a fully fledged AAA PC game on ARM Proc... more"X86 Dinosaur needs to go extinction"

                                    Tell that to the non tech companies. I am sure everyone will disagree.

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                                      • Jyb
                                      • 23 Jun 2020

                                      Anonymous, 23 Jun 2020apple didnt build any cpu . They design it . TSMC built it .If you want to play semantics then at least get the terminology right.
                                      TSMC *produces* the SoCs. It's not "assembly" (as in your "build"), but more akin to a press that prints journals or books (only here they engrave silicon wafers). Are you that guy that points-out it's not the author that makes a book, but rather the printing mill? Because that's pretty shortsighted if you ask me.

                                      Furthermore, a SoC is made of multiple blocks inside a chip, each of those "components" with its own design (by a different team/often times even company). That means that someone needs to make those blocks fit together, much like in an assembly for IP property. That someone is Apple, not TSMC. So yeah, they also *build* the SoC.

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                                        • Anonymous
                                        • PE3
                                        • 23 Jun 2020

                                        I.S, 23 Jun 2020Apple moves to build their own CPU to cut production price.... moreapple didnt build any cpu . They design it . TSMC built it .

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