French government decides against banning Huawei, but recommends avoiding it

06 July 2020
Head of French cybersecurity says risk with European companies “is not the same” as with non-European ones.

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Anonymous, 08 Jul 2020Can you hear yourself? You are talking analysts saying that... morethat figure of 1.4B from Huawei is from 2015 to 19/20, means it took them 5 years to get that licence money, and that came from Huawei themselves. Nokia Earned 2b from Apple alone, do you see the difference? 5 years licence revenue cant even match one time payment from Nokia single client?

i ask you again which companies licence from Huawei

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    Hemedans, 08 Jul 2020lol, where did you get that data Nokia earn 300m? maybe per... moreCan you hear yourself? You are talking analysts saying that Nokia is expected to earn more but there is no guarantee it will actually earn the money but I have already given you the money which the companies earned already, besides 300M * 4 quarters is still less than 1.5B (assuming they earn same amounts in other quarters). Besides you are probably not aware that Nokia is facing a lot of challenges currently but I believe whatever I can bring out on this issue you, you will try to justify your position, therefore, I will leave it here, you can believe what you want and I can do the same but it won't change the facts about these companies but I can tell you tell you the US government knows better. Cheers.

      Anonymous, 08 Jul 2020Not at all, I was just putting across a point that value an... morelol, where did you get that data Nokia earn 300m? maybe per Quarter, Just Last year they made more than $1B in licence, And even though they made little over 1b many analyst said it should be higher and Nokia is not aggresive enough.

      Huawei themselves last year (2019) anounced they earn $1.4B since 2015, for comparison Nokia earn $2b one time from Apple alone.

      $1.4B in 4 to 5 years is not that big, and even that may be false because they didnt even say which companies licence those ip.

      can you name companies which licence Huawe ip?

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        • 08 Jul 2020

        Hemedans, 07 Jul 2020you just support what i said, so you agreed Huawei patents ... moreNot at all, I was just putting across a point that value and significance are too different things.
        Just to give you an idea, Huawei almost twice (US$ 1.5B) the money Nokia (US$300) and Ericsson (US$600) combined earned just from patents so I don't know where you got the information that it's patents are of less value compared to it's peers. Because logically it should be the other way around in terms of earnings if that was the case that it's patents are less valuable. You can check this information for yourself on the Internet to confirm.
        You have to be careful when read these analysts claiming to filter the value of these patents, they might be biased towards a certain technology in the end giving misleading information.

          Anonymous, 07 Jul 2020Clearly you don't seem to understand the issue. Don�... moreyou just support what i said, so you agreed Huawei patents dont have value its just quantity and not quality.

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            • 07 Jul 2020

            Surely US sanctions on France is coming including banning imports to the US of Citroen 2CVs.

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              Hemedans, 07 Jul 2020Yes huawei has large number of patents but many are worthle... moreClearly you don't seem to understand the issue. Don't you know that sometimes it cheaper to use parts or technology from other companies and just pay licence fees instead of developing them yourself?
              Have you head of "of the shell" phrase? If you have not then read about it. It takes a lot of components to have a finished product say a phone and you can't develop every component or technology which goes in there, it can make business sense. For your own information, do you know that Samsung does not use it camera sensors in premium phones but uses Sony sensors if I'm not mistaken.
              Keep in mind that Huawei manufacturers many different types of devices and it only makes sense that they have to license some of the technology which go in there.
              Also, cost of a component does not imply significance. Taking the analogue you used of a plane, the engine is of course important but will that plane have value without the body or just pilot sit? If not one will buy if the engine or may wheels were missing.
              For you to understand the level Huawei is at, listen to the speach Wilbur Ross made about the technology Huawei has and then come back here.

                Hemedans, 07 Jul 2020I havent mention Usa anywhere dont feed me words i didnt sa... moreOkey. Live in imagination. No help for u.

                  Anonymous, 06 Jul 2020It seems you are behind on this matter. Currently Huawei ha... moreYes huawei has large number of patents but many are worthless, every Analytic firm dont mention Huawei when it came to patents value.

                  One analytic gave this Example, you have Airplane, there are engine patents and food and troll patents, Huawei own those food and Troll patents to serve people while others are like Nokia And Qualcomm own Engine patents.

                  5g is not new Concept it base on Old Technology like 3g or 4g thats why its Impossible for Huawei or Samsung to have lead now.

                  I ask You Guys if Huawei is the leader why he licence Patents From Qualcomm, Ericson and Nokia? Its should Be vice versa Nokia and Ericson should Beg Huawei now to get China Technology but Instead its Huawei who spend Billions To licence Qualcomm, Nokia and Ericson Technologies, WHY?

                    kiasunkiasi, 07 Jul 2020better check your number... how the trio, well ok the pair... moreNot my Word, its Strategy Analytic estimation. You can check here
                    https://www.telecomlead.com/smart-phone/qualcomm-ericsson-nokia-to-grab-90-of-5g-smartphone-royalty-86083

                    And am Talking about owning Ip and licence them, not about selling equipments.

                      Alex 94, 06 Jul 2020What? Do u know what u just write dude? China is tech leade... moreI havent mention Usa anywhere dont feed me words i didnt say,
                      1. 5g is not mobile 1st, by measure 5g development with smartphone you are misleading, people are developing self driving cars, smart cities, smart ports etc.
                      2. South Korea and Japan were both Ahead of China in Deployement, they Had it since 2018 while China 1st Network came live October 2019 (And thanx for lying by saying they have 5g for 2 years)

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                        kiasunkiasi, 07 Jul 2020better check your number... how the trio, well ok the pair... moreQualcomm sale 5G modems for 5G and more than 70% of the smartphone manufacturers use their modems in their phones therefore it makes sense that they can have a large market share in 5G components.
                        Please understand the difference between 5 modems and 5 equipment.
                        Qualcomm does not produce any 5G equipment but Huawei does and that is the borne of contention.

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                          • 07 Jul 2020

                          [deleted post]you will say otherwise until you feel it yourself when China somehow 'invaded' or 'dominate' your country and own lots of your national assets with their debt trap, it was a common thoughts which coming from perspective of people who already felt the dominance from both of those two powers, in the end just like Kriegsherr's idea "its always safer to chose the lesser of the two evils"

                            Hemedans, 06 Jul 2020Huawei is not better in 5g, they just sell equipment at che... morebetter check your number...
                            how the trio, well ok the pair as Qualcomm does not provide 5G equipment, generate 90% of 5G revenue?
                            would be lovely to read your source

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                              Anonymous, 06 Jul 2020Yes, it's because Huawei is essentially a tech extensi... moreWell said!

                                Kriegsherr, 07 Jul 2020No, huawei has overtaken only because of chinese market, no... moreData protection? Which data protection we have from US companies? They follow every step of our activity.

                                  Anonymous, 06 Jul 2020Why would they want my data anyway? All they'd find ar... moreyou dont really understand how this works, right?

                                  you are insignificant but thousands of people like you make the database filled. The heavy duty algorithm finds a pattern on how your thought process works, how it can be manipulated. you wont even know that the decision you are making and the nudge behind it.

                                  the choice is yours. remember, 10 million Uighurs did not have a choice, you do.

                                    Anonymous, 06 Jul 2020It seems you are behind on this matter. Currently Huawei ha... moreNo, huawei has overtaken only because of chinese market, not because of their superior technology in smartphone. yeah, huawei is ahead of other companies in terms of 5G but data protection is an important thing. you cant simply ignore that.

                                    any company in china is bound by law to provide the government any data if it wants. that puts huawei in a different situation than others.

                                      Anonymous, 06 Jul 2020And US doesn't fund it's companies? You need to r... moreNone of US and China is innocent but its always safer to chose the lesser of the two evils. isnt it?

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                                        Anonymous, 06 Jul 2020And US doesn't fund it's companies? You need to r... moreHow did you get pass the great firewall of china?. Huawei, a world leading technology company owned by its founder and employees?
                                        Please go spread communist propaganda somewhere else.