Huawei announces IFA keynote for September 3, will likely unveil the new Kirin flagship chipsets
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WolfpackN64, 25 Aug 2020Not yet, but high volume production could start in 2021. An... moreNah.. They didn't say it like that.
They mentioned exact amount of efficiency and performance improvement over 14nm FinFET. Calculating that it's found to be equivalent to 7nm.
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AnonD-754814, 25 Aug 2020Actually it's not 8nm Samsung equivalent. It's ... moreNot yet, but high volume production could start in 2021. And if I'm correct they did state efficiency would be between 14nm and 7nm, so I still believe 8nm is a better comparison.
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Georgie, 24 Aug 2020You are right, they will produce their own SoCs. Like you s... moreGet off your high horse ... the US is the same or worse ... cept they just smile and stab you in the back.
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Shui8, 25 Aug 2020U should read my reply after that. Both Korean & Chines... moreOkay I read that now.
But initially it felt different.
Thing is, corporate spying is common(and heavily punishable crime) in the world. The company who are doing that can be anyone. Even Samsung might do that.
My problem with Chinese Companies are, They're protected by their government even if they're caught stealing. Because the Chinese gov are buddies with them with stealing. Both the government and the company are getting profit here.
But in other countries that's not the case. If you do wrong you'll be punished for it unless you're able to find a defect in the law.
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AnonD-754814, 25 Aug 2020Before accusing it that way why don't you clear your o... moreU should read my reply after that. Both Korean & Chinese are the culprit & wrongdoings on that case. But it all started with the Korean itself. Hence the 'main culprit'.
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WolfpackN64, 24 Aug 2020The Kirin 710A is produced by SMIC in China on a 14nm node.... moreActually it's not 8nm Samsung equivalent.
It's 7nm(non-EUV) TSMC equivalent for efficiency and but not a 7nm architecture according to the manufacturer.
It's kinda sounds like Intel's talking.
Besides SMIC's N+1 is not ready yet to mass produce SoC.
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Shui8, 24 Aug 2020Before share any links, make sure you fully understands abo... moreBefore accusing it that way why don't you clear your opinion.
One K**rean company is on the list doesn't mean The other 5-6 Chin* se companies are innocent.
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Donald Duck will be out before Kirin isbout 😅
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Georgie, 24 Aug 2020Yeah, instead I should listen to a Chinese guy like you, wh... moreFirstly, I'm not even chinese to begin with.
Secondly, I'm not saying China arent wrong either. All I said was it was Korean starting the agenda on that matter, hence the 'main culprit'.
Like u said, most companies have its wrongdoing, no matter from what countries. The way that guy saying, it was only the chinese fault, when its clearly says otherwise.
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Anonymous, 24 Aug 2020No, those Koreans stole the tech and sold it. You need to ... moreLol ... u r the one need to read even carefully
the article stated "Korean and Chinese researchers"
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Anonymous, 24 Aug 2020Why ? US trade ban, they've apparently already threatened Mediatek.
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Anonymous, 24 Aug 2020SMIC cannot make chips for Huawei without getting US licenc... moreIt will be hard, but SMIC has shown to be more defiant as a Chinese company towards US pressure. If SMIC get's added to the list, it's reasonable to think that they will get their N+1 node out anyway. SMIC also wants to get their EUV machines from ASML, which is a Dutch company. The US can only bully their partners in Europe not to sell these machines to China so much before they begin to protest and break sanctions.
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WolfpackN64, 24 Aug 2020They might not be able to use Mediatek anymore.Why ?
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As long as they need to buy 'license' of some sort, it isn't their own. Marketing trend down to drain, despite what / how people believe this works, as long as Huawei is using ARM, it isn't their 'own' tech, just a licensed 'custom SoC', like Apple, at the best. Why do you think there's the spectacle of ARM China story? For Huawei to have their 'own' it means building a brand new architect which involves in new instruction set. That means forfeit any existing compatibility of software, and a new OS from ground up, or alternatively fork their own Linux/Unix/BSD,etc. There's also the open source instruction set route, which Alibaba chose, but knowing Huawei, I doubt they will do that. Can Huawei do it in short time? No. Even given they can under the span of 3 years, it will still need much more time for the rest of software eco system to mature and optimize the performance. It unlikely they can match any give current gen for the next 5 years - if they opt from the grounds up.
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Shui8, 24 Aug 2020Before share any links, make sure you fully understands abo... moreYeah, instead I should listen to a Chinese guy like you, who certainly won't take the side of the stealing Chinese companies. You need to improve your English if you can't understand even after reading the article, that it clearly says the stolen tech was bought by Chinese companies BOE & CSOT.
All countries have traitors, Korea is no exception but when a criminal sells a stolen organ, the person who buys it, has no morals either.
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Georgie, 24 Aug 2020You are right, they will produce their own SoCs. Like you s... moreBefore share any links, make sure you fully understands about the content lol. The Korean itself are the main culprit on that case.
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WolfpackN64, 24 Aug 2020The Kirin 710A is produced by SMIC in China on a 14nm node.... moreSMIC cannot make chips for Huawei without getting US licence or approval OR disregarding US restriction and producing on 14 nm node. If they opt for the latter option chances are SMIC will get added to the list and since most processor machines have US tech and US components they themselves will be in hot waters if they have equipment breakdowns and need US spares and services to get the lines running again. Not underestimating Chinas ability to reverse engineer these I still doubt if Huawei can get out of this black hole.
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Georgie, 24 Aug 2020You are right, they will produce their own SoCs. Like you s... moreNo, those Koreans stole the tech and sold it. You need to read the article correctly.
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MagicMonkeyBoy, 24 Aug 2020China needs to make its own SoC's... If it can... I am... moreYou are right, they will produce their own SoCs. Like you said, they are the best, when it comes to stealing, hacking & lying through their teeth.
Well, that's how they made TCL screens for Mi 10 Ultra https://www.oled-info.com/south-korea-company-charged-leaking-sdcs-flexible-oleds-secret-chinese-display-makers ...They'll surely find a way to steal chip secrets too..
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MagicMonkeyBoy, 24 Aug 2020China needs to make its own SoC's... If it can... I am... moreThe Kirin 710A is produced by SMIC in China on a 14nm node. I'm guessing they could still produce mid range Kirin chips on SMIC's N+1 (equivalent to Samsung 8nm). Producing high end parts will be difficult untill SMIC gets to a 7nm node, which might be problematic since the US wants to block the sale of EUV machines to SMIC.