vivo developed an RBGW camera sensor that promises up to 160% more light capture

07 September 2020
The new sensor will be inside smartphones in 2021.

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Anonymous, 18 Dec 2020Yikes you really think you're the one who's bette... moreIt was foolish of me to think that you lied about what I said because you lacked comprehension skill. It turned out it was completely intentional and you had an audacity to keep lying even after being pointed out, hilarious. Feel free to continue quoting me on what I never said, but I won't waste my time on replying to a liar.

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    Nick Tagataka, 08 Sep 2020I'm not sure if you're having a problem with unde... moreYikes you really think you're the one who's better at "understanding technical stuffs" after saying somethig so naive like "different colors/light sensitivity don't mean both sensors have the same filter" I suggest saving the "comprehension skills" card for yourself when you read anything related to technology.

      So it's developed to capture more light, not to create best stunning image

      I don't really take pictures in low light

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        JDK, 08 Sep 2020you call them sony fans. "samsung quantum dot is be... moreAt least I'm nor lying around to make Samsung better.

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          Or slap a medium format sensor and called it a day maybe

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            AnonD-754814, 08 Sep 2020Do you know what you're saying ? When it comes to Q... moreyou call them sony fans.

            "samsung quantum dot is best"

            says the samsung fan.

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              Shanti Dope, 08 Sep 2020That, and also the fact that they're the biggest OLED ... moreDo you know what you're saying ?

              When it comes to Quantum dot TVs. Samsung is the best.

              Secondly Samsung hates LG's OLED tv and love their AMOLED mobile display because these two aren't the same.

              LG's OLED TV's are more on LCD's side than OLED side. Because LG's OLED tv panel doesn't emit RGB light individually.

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                Anonymous, 08 Sep 2020Of course, sony has used quantum dots way before samsung. A... moreAre sony fans this pathetic always ?
                Most of the time you guys praise your products without even knowing it and your provided information are wrong most the time.

                First of all Sony's OLED TVs cost more than LG because
                Sony buys those WOLED panels from LG.

                Secondly Sony introduced Quantum dot in 2013. Only 2 years earlier than Samsung, LG, TCL.

                Samsung makes 10 bit display too. Oneplus and Oppo's phone are great examples.

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                  Shanti Dope, 08 Sep 2020I have never seen that many RGBW displays in my entire life... moreRGBW display has to be worse than regular RGB display.

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                    160% light ?
                    How many white pixel are they going to use ?
                    50% or all pixel ?

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                      Anonymous, 08 Sep 2020LG is only popular with TVs because their main models are c... moreThat is totally wrong observation.
                      Samsung is more popular TV maker.
                      But LG has best flagship TV. LG's WOLED has better picture quality than Samsung.
                      But WOLED has more burn in risk than even regular OLED.

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                        Nick Tagataka, 08 Sep 2020Huawei's RYYB sensor was capturing "only" 40... moreDifferent pattern, so different algorithm. In this RGBW every green cell is flanked by 2 equidistant red cells and likewise 2 eqidistant and blue cells in the immediate diagonal neighbors, so they can serve as strong anchor for color accuracy. After all the other cells are interpolated, then you could do optional 4:1 pixel binning. The color sampling is even, even before image processing.

                          AnonD-641645, 08 Sep 2020The problem is we're hearing claims of improvement wit... moreHuawei's RYYB sensor was capturing "only" 40% more light and already showing substantial improvement in light sensitivity (albeit worse colour reproduction as one of three primary colour filters gets entirely substituted by a complementary colour one). This RGBW sensor captures twice as much light as a traditional RGGB sensor and that's something that will become really noticeable as scenes get darker.

                          "that distribution of red and blue cells looks really uneven"
                          Not really. After the pixel binning you will get regular Bayer-like RGGB checkerboard patterns that can be then processed through regular demosaicing process, on top of luminance information corresponding to every binned pixel (e.g. If there were 48 million pixels on the sensor, after binning process you would get 12MP of colour resolution just like you do on 48MP Quad Bayer sensor as well as 12MP of pure luminance resolution). The same cannot be said, however, in the pattern you described.

                            Anonymous, 08 Sep 2020"Different digital processing and algorithms mean diff... moreI'm not sure if you're having a problem with understanding technical stuffs or simply lacking reading comprehension skills. Either way, just don't straight up lie to my face and quote me for what I didn't say, yeah? That's just pathetic.

                              Shanti Dope, 08 Sep 2020I have never seen that many RGBW displays in my entire life... moreYou clearly have a problem with understanding how PPI and image quality works.
                              But it's good to know l.

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                                Nick Tagataka, 08 Sep 2020Different filter arrangement, different colour accuracy/lig... more"Different digital processing and algorithms mean different filter" wow, slow clap*

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                                  Nick Tagataka, 08 Sep 20204 pixels are binned together so that wouldn't really m... moreThe problem is we're hearing claims of improvement without seeing final side-by-side comparison with whatever it's supposedly improving upon, leaving one wondering how much technological merit and how much marketing ploy go into this.

                                  Even if one accepts 4:1 pixel binning (parlor trick as it is), that distribution of red and blue cells looks really uneven. The one here (third diagram) has the same composition but more even distribution:
                                  http://www.quadibloc.com/other/images/ccd3.gif

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                                    Shanti Dope, 08 Sep 2020Perhaps the next big thing with camera sensors in general w... moreThat curved sensor rumor has been ages. I can't even remember the year it has spread.

                                    Anyway, that curved sensor probably is in theory superior to flat sensor but probably unpractical for commercial production and use. Sony probably has abandoned it.

                                      Fearghast, 08 Sep 2020You haven't seen anyone complaining that they got 2,8K... moreI have never seen that many RGBW displays in my entire life, but from my experience of using some panels on smartphones, the image quality is perfectly high and not anything worse than a normal RGB panel.
                                      I tried the G7 ThinQ once, and that panel I believe is one kind of this, and it looks absolutely stunning, with colors looking like an AMOLED one, especially when paired with incredibly high brightness and amazingly great contrast for an IPS panel.

                                      Meanwhile, I haven't seen any top tier IPS LCD smartphones from Samsung.

                                      And no, I have a 2017 43" Sony Bravia 4K TV, and up to this day, its color reproduction and image quality still amazes me like it did at the very first day, and that's already after seeing many 2019 to 2020 flagship TVs from LG, Sony, or even Samsung.

                                      Besides, if the pixel density and sharpness on the panel is already perfectly clear and barely visible enough, what's the reason to even cry about it?
                                      You're complaining about RGBW panels being "only" 2.8K but crying out loud that Sony's 4K phone is "overkill?" How lame can you guys be?

                                        Anonymous, 08 Sep 2020Medium format is too big for alpha body. It is 3x the FF ... moreIt was just a rumour anyway, but certainly it could be in development already.
                                        Perhaps the reason why they're initially making it first on a medium format sensor is because the manufacturing cost would be high due to complexity of the design, and it's easier to do it with a larger sensor first.

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