Samsung's Galaxy S21 to miss out on under display camera, Z Fold3 to premiere it
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AnonD-947580, 06 Oct 2020It will continue like that for the next 10-50 years. Th... moreThere is Sony for you. iPhone should be the last resort.
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michaemia, 06 Oct 2020To be honest this is BS. The under display camera is so ava... moreCouldn't care less what you like , I'll use whatever tech is Infront of me if the price isn't a ripoff for what you get total package.
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michaemia, 06 Oct 2020To be honest this is BS. The under display camera is so ava... moreWell under-screen camera technology is still not that sophisticated as to be considered an opponent to normal cameras for now. While yes, notches and punch holes are simply disgusting.
I still prefer thicker bezels like Sony is still adopting if the vendor is not yet ready for under-screen cameras.
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michaemia, 06 Oct 2020To be honest this is BS. The under display camera is so ava... moreSamsung have said the tech is ready but they want to get it better for consumers they could have released it for the S21 series devices.
And insiders have said Samsungs implementation is the best so far better than the Chinese companies.
Also half the time people want tech out fast and the rest of the time they rip into Samsung for releasing tech earlier
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To be honest this is BS. The under display camera is so available but why are companies not implementing? I mean the notch should be phased out. PS. I don't like notches.
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Aldwin123, 06 Oct 2020Yeah I really put the word "convenience" on the t... moreWell, as you said, it is a 2000$ phone, which mean a crappy small selfie camera isn't the most premium thing you can put, having a design like a Huawei Mate X where the main camera could rotate to allow for being used with the big display would be the best option.
You know why the punch hole exist ? Because the big notch of the iPhone that was copied by Android brands is NOT adapted to the Android ecosystem, and without any 3D facial recognition it isn't justified at all, so it shrunk from a wide one to a teardrop one, and they realized they could leave only the hole without the rest of the notch, simply because any interruption in a display is so stupid and undesired that it have to disappear, which is exactly why the horrible underdisplay camera is so popular and why despite causing lower quality the punch hole become smaller and smaller, it just ask to disappear.
In the end, removing the front camera remove the problem.
Underdisplay camera cause a cognitive bias the same way IP rating does, look at any phone with a pop up and compare it with any IP67/68 rated phone sold at around the same number, you'll find that the supposedly "waterproof" (water resistant) IP68 phone have way, way, way more reports of phones damaged or killed by water than the one with the pop up supposedly ultra fragile against water.
Why ? Because the IP68 cause peoples to think their phone is literally waterproof, while the reality is totally different, same goes for a camera you can't see but can see you, you can do way more risque behavior by forgetting the camera is here, and it promote the trend of "front camera over all sacrifices it take to put it there".
Even with small hands, what cause issue is how wide/tall the phone is, the thickness is a minor concern except if you start to go above 15mm, just think that the average thickness of a finger is 15mm, it is like saying a hand is too thick to be hold.
Smartphones should be between 10m and 15mm with a sweetspot around 12mm and for those who want/need it some models under 10mm, but not the other way around.
Using electromagnetic actuation (which cost near nothing, add almost no weight, don't take much more space than a camera sensor, can be made totally waterproof and is super durable) and rather than putting a camera sensor in there simply using a periscope style that feed light to a single camera sensor on the back, that himself use multiple 90° prisms (the same a periscope already have) rotating to allow the various optics to be used, which basically mean only two, as you need one for small focal length (wide to ultrawide) and another for long focal length (telephoto, portrait and macro).
It would take not much space than multiple camera, would allow a single high quality/great sensor to be used for everything including selfies, would cost less and allow many other advantages.
The Poco F2 Pro is a great exemple of a phone that isn't too thick (I'd say it is even too thin) who have almost all features you could imagine.
I'd take a phone whose brand cover water damage in warranty over any IP68 rated phone anydays, and privacy is way more valuable than a certification who doesn't work in real world conditions.
Same with a phone build with a good emphasis on water survival over any regular IP68 rated phones who regularly died from water, I'd take that anydays.
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Anonymous, 06 Oct 2020Thicker =better ? Hold a brick then...we dont need thicc mobileThat funny argument that always come, I love when you talk about 12mm thick, 15mm at MOST, and peoples start talking about bricks or start referring to the real brick 30mm Energizer phone.
Such argument, wow, much smart.
"we dont need thicc mobile"
Actually, peoples who have issues or discomfort with thin smartphones do NEED thicker devices, inversely I have NEVER heard of anyone who had any trouble with thick devices, if anything it make for a better and more confortable grip, and most of the peoples arguing for slim devices do so because for them slim is popular/the trend, but almost none have ever any arguments, some even clearly said they prefer the grip of thicker devices and yet still say they want super slim devices.
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Anonymous, 06 Oct 2020Need front cam for video calling,face unlock ,front video b... moreExcept that having the MAIN camera + the display do all those things better :
Better video call quality, face unlock with more precise (and therefor secure) sensors, high quality video, and "loads of other stuff".
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Anonymous, 06 Oct 2020Those who are concerned with bezels or stuffs like you have... moreActually I prefer bezel over notch and holes, I'd take the amazing bezel setup of the Galaxy S8/9 anyday over any holes or notches, but I wouldn't expect someone who spread totally debunked myths based on initial concerns of POTENTIAL issues of pop up as if they were true to know better or to actually be right.
Peoples who accept holes in their display should be the one consulting.
Heavy and high price ? Again with totally wrong arguments based on anything but certainly not the reality.
Oppo Reno 2, Vivo X27, Vivo V15 Pro, Huawei Honor X10, Elephone PX.
Those are exemples of sub 190g phones with a pop up.
And with the low price tag of the Elephone PX and the Huawei Honor 9x, sure the pop up is SO expensive, so much so that multiple of the cheapest phones around 150-200€ have it...
So yeah, talking is nice, but saying things that correlate with reality is better, comeback when you actually know something other than old debunked myths about the pop up.
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Anonymous, 06 Oct 2020Nobody needs higher camera set up in selfie, its just requi... moreSure, because nobody take close up with selfie camera ?
Did you realize that compared to a Portrait, that usually is done at 2m away, Selfie is basically THE constant close up camera ?
Nobody need selfies anyway.
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Anonymous, 06 Oct 2020Pop up or any mechanical set up sucks makes phone heavy, di... moreGuess what, there are other solution than purely mechanical pop up, such as electromagnetic actuation which basically solve EVERY downsides of pop up and make them actually a better option than fixed camera, doesn't take much space and doesn't add weight.
I love this "heavy phone" excuse, my GF who has a wrist problem can use her 200g Redmi Note 9 for hours, but peoples with totally healthy wrist can't bare 200g ? Sure.
That face unlock "issue" with pop up is actually totally false, as many other myths about the pop up, the OnePlus 7(t) Pro, which is a great exemple of a mechanical pop up done right, it actually beat Galaxy S10, Huawai P30 Pro and other phones in face unlock time from button press to Android home page being ready, so this argument is totally wrong, as many of the debunked myths about the pop up.
You cared enough to have to reply, and what if this is YOUR opinion that actually no one did care about ?
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Anonymous, 06 Oct 2020Why would u switch to IOS? u always bigging up the chinese ... moreThe phones you mention are all garbage - Chinese makers may be innovating but their hardware and software are garbage. It will become defective after 6-12 months.
Their software is even worse. Don't even get me started on that.
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Anonymous, 06 Oct 2020Nobody needs higher camera set up in selfie, its just requi... moreLet's just ditch the selfie cam once and for all.
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AnonD-947580, 06 Oct 2020It will continue like that for the next 10-50 years. Th... moreWhy would u switch to IOS? u always bigging up the chinese android OEMS so why not switch to them, get a Huawei which you seem to love and use Petal search for Apps or get a Xiaomi or One Plus.
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AnonD-940827, 05 Oct 2020How typical Samsung. Lol. It won't be on the other 2 m... moreuhhhhh, you do know samsung's fp reader is ultrasonic, right? not the crappy optical ones?
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AnonD-909757, 06 Oct 2020Funny you mention convenience because having a big spot in ... moreYeah I really put the word "convenience" on the table why? The Cover display is too narrow and video conferencing on that narrow screen is usable but not the best way to do it especially for a $2000 phone. That is why the Main display Front Camera is needed. Oh god complaining about the punchole at least it is better than the notch from the previous version. And when multtasking or gaming using the main display automatically hides the punchole display/status bar so that the there's no interruptions on the viewing experience
Talk about PRIVACY?? I don't know what phone you're using But definitely most of the smartphones are using punch hole, notch front facing camera. Unless you're using a pop camera. But in the end, so what? UDC is said to come on Z Fold 3 so I don't know why are you still complaing when the next iteration will solve your nitpicking problem!
Thicker= Better? My answer to that is it depends. Yes more solid, more battery, more features no excuse to omit the jack. But Pleasant to grip? Maybe if you have a big hands yes but not for small hands. And like what I've said the Pop Up mechanism makes the phone thicker... What I mean is that the device is thicker because of the Pop Up mechanism takes space. Not becuase there is more battery or what on the phone. For Ex. OnePlus 7T Pro and S20Ultra are both 8.8mm thick but the S20Ultra packs more Camera and Battery than the 7T Pro.
Oh your opinion about the "Uterrly Useless IP68 Certification" . It doesn't matter whether you're right or wrong. Phones can't have it all. But the fact that S21 is a flagship phone it should have all the features it can pack. And I'm not supporting you that it is okay to omit a feature on a phone. Especially when there is better solution than "Replacing and omitting" .
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- 06 Oct 2020
AnonD-909757, 06 Oct 2020Funny you mention convenience because having a big spot in ... moreThicker =better ? Hold a brick then...we dont need thicc mobile
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AnonD-909757, 06 Oct 2020"Putting inferior UDC tech on their flagship smartphon... moreNeed front cam for video calling,face unlock ,front video blogging and loads other stuff
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Aldwin123, 06 Oct 2020We've seen the Under Display Camera of ZTE and we know... more"Putting inferior UDC tech on their flagship smartphone is a really stupid thing to do..."
I totally agree, but so is putting lower quality camera on the front of the smartphone to just end-up butchering the display while the back have a bazillion of cameras just waiting to be used with one of the many ways in conjunction with the/a display and offer to the user way better pictures including great portraits.
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[deleted post]Funny you mention convenience because having a big spot in the display and a big bunch of dead pixels right in the middle of the status bar, which is arguably the most useful feature of Android and which already lack enough space, don't really make it more convenient.
But privacy intrusion though, it indeed make it more convenient to be able to spy users by directly taking snapshots of their face.
Thicker = better, better more solid and more pleasant grip, more battery, more features (and no excuses to omit the Jack), and not only IP68 is utterly useless, doesn't guarantee anything and isn't at all what make a device water/dust resistant and it also cause more devices to get damaged or die because of water than phones without in (including those with pop up) but also pop ups are already built well enough (Poco F2 Pro and OnePlus 7(t) Pro as exemple) to survive fall in water and dusty environments, but the pop up tech (mainly the one style I describe who don't even need any cable or anything as it is only lenses) can be made totally IP68 compliant, or even better made totally dustproof and watertight.
So yeah, so much for calling me stupid when all you said is wrong from start to finish.