Samsung reportedly considering switching the base S Pen tech so it will work on the Galaxy Fold3

23 October 2020
Apparently, making the S Pen digitizer flexible is proving to be a challenge. Also, the S Pen tip may damage the thin UTG.

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Anonymous, 17 Feb 2022For note-taking, AES is better than EMR. For drawing, it�... morewhy, based on experience with surface pro 8 and boox note 3. EMR is absolutely superior.
Aes just cannot track. Test by writing 100 X on screen, something funny will happen. The only reason not to use EMR is royalties to Wacom, and cheaper screen construction.

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    • Anonymous
    • IVG
    • 17 Feb 2022

    Lol, 25 Oct 2020This writer is insane if he thinks AES better than EMR For note-taking, AES is better than EMR. For drawing, it's the other way around.

      Excellent points made by Norman! He knows what he is talking about. I completely agree with Norma, but want to go one step further that -- with new EMR pens (with Wacom "EMR" feel) are far superior than any other pen tech today, even the Apple pencil. The reason is virtually minimal lag (less than 50 miliseconds for Samsung note 9, even less for note 10). To note, I have used all popular pens first-hand and have most of them even now, so I do know exactly what I am talking about.

      You may hear one "BIG" complaint about EMR pens that they have drift of cursor (meaning cursor slightly off from actual touch point). Actually this was true until about five years ago. The newer Wacom "EMR Feel" is absolutely perfect in terms of precision.

      To add to that, EMR needs no batteries, has virtually no lag and is also extremely precise, thanks to Wacom EMR feel. I love the writing experience so much that I bought (1) One old Fujitsu laptop with EMR pen, (2) a tablet with EMR pen and (3) Samsung Note 9 and use the same EMR pen (the Lamy Al-star EMR) for all devicese. So convenient!

      To note, I bought Note 9 only because of its EMR technology. All other pens suck in comparison (Even Apple pencil, Surface pen). I think they will never be as good as EMR, because an active pens requiring batteries are supposed to be slow because of the circuitry involved.

      Samsung will make a big mistake if they switch pen technology. They are ahead of the pack right now as they have EMR tech in their possession, while competitions struggle with poor technologies like n-trig. Keep the lead!

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        • Anonymous
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        • 22 Dec 2020

        Did anyone actually research AES and EMR for this article? AES is not the better technology. Tilt and rotation have been supported by EMR for decades. Intuos tablets are EMR.

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          • 18 Nov 2020

          I guess it's ignorant articles like this that caused every manufacturer to move to AES. Pathetic. EMR has been better every year and has improved as well. The S-Pen should be proof, as it's a lower-end version of Wacom's EMR, yet it's only second to the Apple Pencil in performance on non-drawing focused hardware (tablets, laptops). Seems like laptop manufacturers are releasing more and more models with a pen or garaged stylus - yet no matter how high-end or professional the product is supposed to be, they always use the objectively worse AES or MPP. The Acer ConceptD 3 Ezel is a prime example of this. Built solely for creators and artists, yet the only drawbacks on it are the drawing experience - the thing that was supposed to be a main selling point?? It shouldn't be hard to get right. It's not like the bias of intel over AMD with partnerships or anything -- Wacom owns both AES AND EMER- so why? Why can't there be a modern, decent laptop, with an actual GOOD stylus? You have to search for discontinued products or niche models that are hard to find in order to get that experience. Samsungs older (and newer) Galaxy Books, the Notebook 9 Pro/Pen from 2017, Acer's VERY discontinued Switch 7 Black Edition, and HP's Zbook x2 - which was the only Zbook model to Not get a successor if I remember correctly. Lenovo only get Wacom's EMR when it's part of some strange gimmick, like a colorless monitor on the outside of the laptop shell (this is real). I'd commend Acer for trying - but EMR isn't in any of their affordable models - mind you ConceptD 7 Ezel is pretty affordable considering what it does at the price - but realistically, artists can't afford it. They're poorer than the average buyer already. Samsung could do more since they clearly already have a partnership, but they raise their prices unreasonably to color themselves as a luxury brand when in reality, they are on the middle scale, if not the lower end, of laptop brands -- and the quality honestly reflects that by the reviews AND the Notebook 9 Pro that I'm typing this from. The hinges didn't last at all. Unfortunately, there's no other brand I can get a decent laptop and drawing experience from for that price of STILL WAY OVER MY BUDGET - $1200. That's being generous too. The Galaxy Book Flex is still 1349 USD for the 13 inch. But you want to know the worst part about all of this? Wacom is favoring Chromebooks because they're a lesser market - i guess. If their tablets don't connect to Chromebooks, then it makes sense. The less Windows devices that have EMR, the less people get their actual tablets I guess. Certainly didn't stop them a few years ago, but hey, they know best I guess...

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            • kWS
            • 25 Oct 2020

            This writer is insane if he thinks AES better than EMR

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              • Anonymous
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              • 24 Oct 2020

              Another nice piece of tech watered down in the name of fashion?

                Wont happen .. The area that folds will never be accurate for pen support . that area is the problem and not the pen technology itself.

                  YUKI93, 24 Oct 2020But iirc, AES is the one to have if you always do note-taki... moreAcceptability is subjective and may differs to each. But whether it's better or worse is absolute. It's true why AES is recommened for note taking purposes only, since it won't adequate for drawing for most of scenario.

                  Just think of why Wacom never uses AES for their high end products.

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                    • AnonD-762416
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                    • 24 Oct 2020

                    As usual, writing about Samsung devices is 99% lies, fairy tales and FUD.
                    There's a special place in hell for pathological liars, as the saying goes. 😆

                    I am sure Samsung is looking into alternatives to their current tech, as a progressive technology innovator always does. Folding things does add new challenges, but this doesn't mean the technology high-end products have been swearing by for decades is suddenly inferior.

                      jamesschwarz987, 24 Oct 2020"AES also offers close to pixel-perfect accuracy too a... moreBut iirc, AES is the one to have if you always do note-taking. But then again, I saw some digital artists and photo editors telling me that the AES pen is pretty good for drawing and Photoshop work.

                        "Apparently, making the S Pen digitizer flexible is proving to be a challenge. Also, the S Pen tip may damage the thin UTG."

                        I don't ever think stylus would ever work well with a glastic screen.

                          "AES also offers close to pixel-perfect accuracy too and supports tilt recognition – you’ve seen the system at work on Microsoft Surface tablets and Apple iPads."
                          Wrong, Microsoft Surface uses N-Trig, used to be a separate company that Microfot acquired. While Apple Pencil uses their own propietary technology. AES pens are common with most of Windows convertible notebook pen (most of Surface competitor) like Lenovo Active Pen, HP, Dell, etc.

                          "AES avoids certain issues characteristic of EMR, things like cursor drift and jitter."
                          Also wrong. AES is a pen technology that owned by Wacom, whose also owned EMR. Until now, AES is still way inferior than even a legacy EMR, it's more jittery than EMR. Even Wacom's top of the line graphic monitor CIntiq uses EMR.

                            Shadocx, 23 Oct 2020It's more common than you think to touch the display w... moreThe galaxy fold screen has a self healing layer for light scratches.

                              HoldEm, 23 Oct 2020Your finger can't scratch the display. Why would you u... moreIt's more common than you think to touch the display with the fingernail, depends how short you cut your nails, if you use the tip of your finger and other factors.

                              I can predict your answer, you're going to say your fingernails never touch your smartphones displays.
                              But you can't really know since it leaves no marks on glass, unless you have a plastic screen protector.

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                                • Anonymous
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                                • 23 Oct 2020

                                Companies will be cracking their brain to create new technology, Apple is busy with eventing more way to remove basic things from the BOX and also busy recycling design.

                                  Anonymous, 23 Oct 2020foldables won't be a good buy until the screen is scra... moreYour finger can't scratch the display. Why would you use your fingernail with pressure onto the display?

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                                    • TqA
                                    • 23 Oct 2020

                                    To be Honest,why would any body buy foldable gadgets, and at extortionms prices,it calls,it texas,come on ppl

                                      I wonder if they could use USI? 🤔

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                                        • Anonymous
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                                        • 23 Oct 2020

                                        I will seriously consider buying a fold if it will support the S Pen