Google says Pixel 5’s screen gap has no impact on water resistance
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AnonD-804996, 04 Nov 2020Not actually. IPx5 is already resistant against flow of 100... moreThat's a common mistake to make, but IP rating isn't cumulative, because IPx8 is better than IPx7 often make you think that IPx8 is better and have all features of IPx7 which do the same with IPx6 which do the same with IPx5, but in fact it isn't the same.
In fact, while IP1x to 6x is incremental and cumulative, for the liquid part it only go from IPx1 to IPx6 (and IPx6k) for water pressure and IPx7 to IPx8 for immersion, IPx9k is like a higher IPx6k.
So a smartphone protected for IP67/68 is NOT protected for IP65/66, those are two completely different kind of stress.
This is why, sometimes, there are phones who have both, this is the case for many Sony Smartphones :
https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_5_ii-10396.php
If you read the description, it say :
"IP65/IP68 dust/water resistant (up to 1.5m for 30 mins)" because it have been tested for both.
Keep in mind that IP isn't ment for waterproofs nor for smartphones, it is made for, mostly, static objects, like a shower speaker, a outdoor outlet, outdoor light or security camera and such kind of stuff that would need to survive specific scenarios.
So, don't use an IP67 or IP68 rated phone in the shower, even IPx5/IPx6/IPx6k as those tests aren't repeatable, they are done with clean water and doesn't take into consideration temperature (except for IP69k) and repeated degradation from any substance such as chlorine, salt or any acidity in your tap water, nor the wear the joints have from natural use of the phone or after long term exposure to liquids, and it doesn't immune you from having a defective joint, and regardless what is the problem, if they had replaced your phone for water damage in the past, nothing force them to do it again, in fact there are many reports and post online about IP rated phones damaged/killed by water and the company refusing to fix or replace the phone.
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Simply Google is covering up the flaw on the phone. I was really excited to to PIXEL 5, and was just one click away in buying it. I don't really appreciate the way google tend to work on new phones. Just a marketing thingy for it's OS platform.
The front cam of still quite similar to the one I have now on pixel 2 xl 🙄
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Anonymous, 04 Nov 2020"The second digit indicates the level of protection th... moreWho f**king showers with a phone to a point jet ingress even matters? Almost any is splash or droplets resistant and submersion matters when phone drops in a pool or into a puddle.
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Anonymous, 04 Nov 2020Notorious issue with pixels. The battery always plumps up a... morenever heard of such a thing. My pixel 3 is as good as the first day I bought it and easy the best smartphone I've ever bought in my life.
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Reminds me of the Xperia Z1 that had a similar issue, and sony also claimed like google that it was part of the design.. it went right back to the store.
It's too bad though because if the pixels were manufactured by a reliable third party they'd be really amazing phones.
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Anonymous, 04 Nov 2020The build quality of Xiaomi is so good that 75% of Xiaomi s... moreWhere did you get that number?
Xiaomi phones are actually good. The only ones that failed was redmi note 7 last year, a budget phone! Are you comparing with a flagship here?
Black shark 2 was rock solid that didn't even bent at all...
Mi note 10 passed with flying colors and it was one of his favorites. Mi Mix 3 passed, K20 Pro passed, Mi 9 passed, F2 pro passed ...don't where you get that 75%.
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AnonD-804996, 04 Nov 2020Not actually. IPx5 is already resistant against flow of 100... more"The second digit indicates the level of protection that the enclosure provides against harmful ingress of water.[5] The ratings for water ingress are not cumulative beyond IPX6. A device that is compliant with IPX7 (covering immersion in water) is not necessarily compliant with IPX5 or IPX6 (covering exposure to water jets). A device that meets both tests is indicated by listing both tests separated by a slash, e.g. IPX5/IPX7"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
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AnonD-909757, 04 Nov 2020Do NOT use your phone in the shower, there are multiple kin... morei don't disagree, and i didn't say phone is worthless without ip rating
the thing is, Google is selling an ip rated phone. so it's either ip rated or a scam
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AnonD-909757, 04 Nov 2020Do NOT use your phone in the shower, there are multiple kin... moreNot actually. IPx5 is already resistant against flow of 100 liters per minute at 100 kPa. I don't think any shower can achieve that. IP68 must always exceed that. There is IPx9K rating which is essentially for power washers resistance as no shower or submersion will ever achieve such pressures of up to 10 MPa (that's up to 100 bar which is stupid powerful).
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bigmoe87, 04 Nov 2020not even a highend, not the highest processor, camera, batt... moreYes, I remember when I owned a midrange Mi Note 3, the build quality was excellent similar to those of Samsung's high-end phones that time.
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AnonD-909757, 04 Nov 2020Any are everyone so obsess with water resistance ?
We don&... moreThe problem is beyond water resistance, over time the gap may increase and cause more problems and also let's not forget how frustrating to pay 700 bucks for a device which has a gab on a screen.
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Notorious issue with pixels. The battery always plumps up and forces the phone to start bursting at it's seams. Took my pixel 4xl 3 times to ubreakifix for the same issue every time. Back comes off due to battery bloat. Learn ur lesson and move on to a better phone
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bigmoe87, 04 Nov 2020not even a highend, not the highest processor, camera, batt... moreThe build quality of Xiaomi is so good that 75% of Xiaomi smartphones fail jerryrigeverything's durability test.
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Anonymous, 04 Nov 2020"When was the last time you actually needed water resi... moreDo NOT use your phone in the shower, there are multiple kind of IP rating, and the "pressure jet" kind is totally different from the "immersion" kind, so IP68 doesn't mean you can shower safely with your phone.
And for the rest, I didn't talked about a phone that get killed with any single drop of water, a well enough build phone to withstand accidental drop in water and rain is more than enough, I am not against water resistant phones, I just said it is over rated, awesome features like pop up that still allow the phone to survive drop in water are killed because peoples are obsessed with water resistance.
And IP rating by itself is totally useless, we can make water resistant phones and even waterproof phones without this certification.
And well, considering they have so little faith in IP certification they not only they don't cover any water damage, but they go as far as putting water stickers in the phone because it would cost more to change all water damaged/killed phones over having the good reputation (which is still important often to the point of costing a lot), and that there are tons of reports of IP rated phones damaged or killed by water, it is almost like a scam...
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Anonymous, 04 Nov 2020Partially agree with that because my LG G5 still alive afte... moreThat's why I hate IP rating, it increase the phone price (around 50€/$) and have no use at all.
Not only it doesn't guarantee that the phone will actually survive immersion or even regular water encounter (there are many IP rated phones dying because of water), but no brands cover water damages.
And on top of that, people think it is "waterproof" and use their phone dangerously, like going diving or in the pool because they initially advertised IP rated phones that way...
I'd take a phone with an ATM rating or from a brand that cover water damage anyday over an IP rated phone.
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AnonD-909757, 04 Nov 2020Any are everyone so obsess with water resistance ?
We don&... more"When was the last time you actually needed water resistance"
when i took it to the shower? or when i accidentally spilled my drink? or yeah, whenever i use my phone under the rain because i feel like it
it might not be a necessity but if for whatever reason i bought a bulletproof window then it's better be bulletproof, otherwise it's just a scam
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AnonD-909757, 04 Nov 2020Any are everyone so obsess with water resistance ? We don&... morePartially agree with that because my LG G5 still alive after using 3+years. No IP rating at all. However Google did claim their phone got IP rating, isn't it? And NOW THAT IS DOUBTFUL.
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Any are everyone so obsess with water resistance ?
We don't live in the ocean FFS !
When was the last time you actually needed water resistance, or that it was useful at all OTHER than for using your phone under the rain ?
That's like peoples complaining electric cars have a bad range while they never do any trip over 10% of the maximum range most EV offer.
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MR45, 04 Nov 2020Xiaomi haters will not believe you. They always thought tha... morenot even a highend, not the highest processor, camera, battery, charging speed nor screen
you can actually buy a phone with higher specs and build quality for the half the price from xiaomi/poco
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Pathetic Google not good enough I would not be happy with this gap no matter what they say