Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra's camera detailed: 10x folded periscope joins 3x tele camera
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- Anonymous
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- 07 Dec 2020
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2020I didn't say that the 64 megapixel camera can compete ... morePoint is :
Using s20 64Mp at 3x , the results are not better than the fixed 3x from FE.
Samsung is using it just to say the Ultra is not the only capable of 8K.
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- Anonymous
- pQr
- 07 Dec 2020
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2020"When S20FE was released, I expected it to behave like... moreI have to correct myself: Not 1.5x larger, but 1.5x as(!) large. 1.5x larger would be 2.5x as large, that's not the case.
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- Anonymous
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- 07 Dec 2020
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2020Your link shows a comparison with the main camera of the S2... moreI want to correct something: I thought that the Fe tele has 12 megapixels, but it only has 8. So it's the FE , which distributes the light of an object over less pixels in low-light conditions.
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- Anonymous
- 70d
- 07 Dec 2020
Dutchie, 07 Dec 2020all this zoom, telephoto and periscope...then you read ... moreWhat is funny about it?
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- Anonymous
- pQr
- 07 Dec 2020
Chetszot, 07 Dec 2020No matter what does the numbers imply regarding 1.1 64 Mpx ... moreYour link shows a comparison with the main camera of the S20+. That's not the 64 megapixel camera. Furthermore different algorithms from different phones change results extremely. Again I didn't say that it can compete with "3x" cameras. Nonetheless in this case in low-light conditions there's no reason why it should be worse regarding noise, if the OIS of the 64 megapixel camera works as well as the OIS of a tele camera. The 64 megapixel 5.9mm f/2 camera captures the same amount of light per time from an object as the 7.1mm f/2.4 camera of the S20 Fe and the light is even distributed over a smaller number of pixels per object. So with the same algorithms and same exposure time, a crop of the 64 megapixel camera would rather perform better in low light regarding noise.
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- Anonymous
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- 07 Dec 2020
Chetszot, 07 Dec 2020When S20FE was released, I expected it to behave like you d... more"When S20FE was released, I expected it to behave like you described. Unfortunately, no big sensor can beat optical magnification "
Many people don't know that a big sensor always means a larger optical magnification at the same field of view! Magnification is related to the physical absolute size of the image. A large sensor with a wide angle camera can have exactly the same focal length as a small sensor with a tele camera and therefore also the same optical magnification! Samsung's periscope camera can be seen as a crop of a high resolution ultra wide full frame camera. So whenever you hear 3x optical zoom smartphone, 5x optical zoom smartphone, 10x optical zoom smartphone. That's nearly always wrong. The absolute physical increase of the magnification is different. A 2x camera of a for example iPhone X only offers a 1.5x larger magnification than the main camera because the focal length is only 1.5x as large.
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- Chetszot
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- 07 Dec 2020
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2020I didn't say that the 64 megapixel camera can compete ... moreNo matter what does the numbers imply regarding 1.1 64 Mpx 3x digital vs 3x optical 8 Mpx, there is just a very noticeable difference between the two:
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s20_fe_5g-review-2178p5.php#compare-84,83-at--1816x-1017,-1816x-1017
At daytime, with plenty of light, digital crop from 64 Mpx does the job (although is still worse than 3x optical 8MPx). After the sun goes away or indoor, you basically lose the zooming capabilities with 64 Mpx 1.1x module.
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- Anonymous
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- 07 Dec 2020
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2020At 3x, you end up using smaller area than 1/4" 8MP. ... moreI didn't say that the 64 megapixel camera can compete with 12 megapixel 3x cameras. Regarding the pixel count it is more comparable with 12 megapixel 2.5x (theoretically that is not worse than 8 megapixel 3x). And regarding amount of light per time from a distant object it is nearly identical to the Note 10 2x camera.
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- Chetszot
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- 07 Dec 2020
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2020At 3x, you end up using smaller area than 1/4" 8MP.
... moreWhen S20FE was released, I expected it to behave like you described. Unfortunately, no big sensor can beat optical magnification as proven eg. here https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s20_fe_5g-review-2178p5.php
I took a lot of 3x fake zoomed photos with my S20 and in bright sunlight there is almost no difference between S20 1.1 cropped 64 MPix and true 3x optical 8 MPx. However, when you look closer, some minor fine details are present on the S20FE, where the 8 MPix optical zoom is.
After the sun is gone, S20's fake zoom is revealed and without a night mode you basically lose all the zooming capabilities. This is also shown in the above review. Real 3x optical 8 MPx from S20FE is doing A WAY better job than more expensive S20.
When S20FE with OPTICAL zoom was revealed, I really had hopes regarding S21's zoom camera. When I read such news, it's a really disappointment that a flagship in 2021 doesn't have a proper tele lens.
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- Anonymous
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- 07 Dec 2020
Dutchie, 07 Dec 2020all this zoom, telephoto and periscope...then you read ... moreWell the Snapdragon chip adds %30 to that sooo
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- Anonymous
- JT5
- 07 Dec 2020
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2020It's not fake zoom. What do you think what digital zoo... moreAt 3x, you end up using smaller area than 1/4" 8MP.
Also, you no longer has 4K video. It becomes 1080p.
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- Anonymous
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- 07 Dec 2020
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2020It's not fake zoom. What do you think what digital zoo... moreAlso note:
"The 2x comparison between the Galaxy S20 and the Note 10 surprisingly gives the upper hand to the S20 as the photos have more fine detail when inspected from up close"
From https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s20-review-2083p6.php
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- Anonymous
- kky
- 07 Dec 2020
Can't even add ois or any other decently worthy improvement. Yes light sensitivity is good, but come on.
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- Anonymous
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- 07 Dec 2020
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2020It's not fake zoom. What do you think what digital zoo... more"Fake zoom" are actually "8 megapixel 3x" and "10 megapixel 3x" cameras because optical zoom does not decrease the resolution. 2x digital zoom of a 12 megapixel camera is nothing else than a 3 megapixel 2x camera. So if you call "8 megapixel 3x" optical zoom, then 2x digital zoom is 3 megapixel 2x optical zoom.
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- Dutchie
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- 07 Dec 2020
all this zoom, telephoto and periscope...then you read '12% better light sensitivity' 😂😂😂
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- Anonymous
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- 07 Dec 2020
Mobilemaster, 07 Dec 2020That 1.1 x fake zoom is ridiculous indeed! If Samsung can u... moreIt's not fake zoom. What do you think what digital zoom is? Digital zoom is nothing else than reducing the sensor size. As the sensor uses 64 megapixels and has a Bayer array, cropping=reducing the sensor size is no issue, if the lens is sharp. Physically there is no difference when you use a small low resolution sensor or use a low resolution crop of a large high resolution sensor, if you use the same lens.
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- LGq
- 07 Dec 2020
More of the same but more expensive, the time is coming to give a device a few years, until something comes out that really attracts attention
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- IVD
- 07 Dec 2020
Chetszot, 07 Dec 2020Why all the innovations in the camera deparment applied onl... moreThey're intentionally gimping the base and mid variants to make the high end more appealing. Funnily enough, S20 Ultra takes worse pictures than S20 and S20+ despite how marketing hype would suggest otherwise. Same story with the Note10 and Note20 having a FHD display and the upcoming S21 and S21+. This isn't a Samsung thing as others have done it too. The average consumer doesn't care about the differences, only features, price and size.
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- Anonymous
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- 07 Dec 2020
Mobilemaster, 07 Dec 2020That 1.1 x fake zoom is ridiculous indeed! If Samsung can u... moreSo they can shoot 8k videos without adding another lens
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- Anonymous
- JT5
- 07 Dec 2020
Mobilemaster, 07 Dec 2020That 1.1 x fake zoom is ridiculous indeed! If Samsung can u... moreBecause FE uses 8MP 1/4" , just like OP8 Pro.
With about 80mm lenses, you cannot fot a 1/1.72" sensor without even thicker bulge.
They choose size and FL more adequate to keep all 3 cameras modules with same thickness.