Exynos 2100 vs Snapdragon 888: Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra sustained performance and throttling test
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- Mediatek sux
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- 25 Feb 2021
MrDong, 24 Feb 2021Actually considering the optimisation of the game no device... moreNo, the drivers matter a lot. Vulkan was supposed to be low level api for better performance but its worse than opengl on android. While apple can improve their own api better. I still get the random freezes too, but its like once or twice in a few hours. Nothing much.
The iphone 11 pro max runs at 1731 x 800 according to geekerwan. And op8 pro at 1584 x 720.
Shadowgun legends isnt as good looking as genshin though. Its like dead trigger, making use of textures to mask the low poly models and the draw distance is low too. Poor lighting.
Does techtablets do fps and power measurement?
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- MrDong
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- 24 Feb 2021
Mediatek sux, 24 Feb 2021I have been playing since release, have had a lot of bugs a... moreActually considering the optimisation of the game no devices benefit from which graphics driver (Vulkan/Metal). In fact iOS initially had very many issues, not sure if it's caused by iOS or the game. Even until now my iPhone 11 randomly freezes and that's not throttled because it's running at very high graphics settings. My SD865 Samsung had graphical glitches but it only happens occassionally. The iPhone does run smoother, I assume it's the 828p res but neither phone has good thermals truth to be told.
There are other demanding games such as Shadowgun Legends. I heard the iPhone 11 Pro Max struggled to hit 60fps at ultra despite being an optimised game overall. Not sure which iOS version is running (initial 13 build has issues), but the A13 had either bad thermal or memory management.
Ultimately the A14 didn't have any of these issues, its TDP is extremely low at load compared to competing chips, and passive cooling almost do not affect throttling (because it already throttles little). Never seen any SGL tests for the iPhone 12.
I won't rely on Golden Reviewers videos too much. His tests are sometimes not done systematically. TechTablets is an iPhone hater yet I have seen a lot better results from an iPhone (12 Pro Max) because he done the tests right.
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- 24 Feb 2021
MrDong, 24 Feb 2021I really don't care about that game, as a long-term pl... moreI have been playing since release, have had a lot of bugs and random fps drops ever since, on sd855. Nothing gamebreaking or making the game difficult. The games easy, got a lot of exploration, decent story, flashy moves, good graphics, theres nothing else like it on the play store. Poco x3 is good enough for 30 fps max graphics( Maybe its worse now, golden reviewer tested on old version).
I'd rather see how the game i like performs rather than random numbers on antutu/geekbench/3dmark/speedtestg. The ios version is atleast 1 level above android version in max graphics, so its not really a fair comparison, but it never was fair when android is running on opengl or vulkan and ios gets all the advantage it can from metal. I wish golden reviewer made longer gameplays though, the iphone can probably maintain that 45 fps for an hour looking at how low the power consumption is.
Also what other game is more demanding? I have seen some like ark, madout, and brightridge. Too bad he didnt test those. Techutopia tests everything but its hard to find what hes testing on which video. Its a mess.
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- 24 Feb 2021
There's a new module in Galaxy Labs called Thermal Guardian - here you can control how quick the Exynos throttles. Could be interesting to see if it makes a difference, which it should.
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- 24 Feb 2021
Mediatek sux, 23 Feb 2021A14 in the iphone does throttle hard in genshin. But thats ... moreI really don't care about that game, as a long-term player and already said I am aware of the optimisation issues. I use a Snapdragon 865 device to play the game and it throttles even harder. Golden Reviewer videos are too amateur, best if you don't trust his videos.
If a phone cannot play smoothly in one game but does the others (demanding games) well, then we can't say that phone is underpowered. I'm not defending the iPhones, because you can just check the players reports in the official forums.
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- 23 Feb 2021
MrDong, 23 Feb 2021Thanks for the explanation. Other than the 4MB L3 Cache on ... moreA14 in the iphone does throttle hard in genshin. But thats because they dont allow the temps to go over 38c or something. And the power consumption is really low. Maybe they dont in ipads.
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- 23 Feb 2021
Anonymous, 22 Feb 2021Not going to give Egg NS a chance Skyline is official ge... moreYuzu also 'stole' code apparently, and theres a lot more stuff the devs do i hear. Well nowhere as bad as eggns tho. https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/ljxnvi/yuzu_stole_code/
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- 23 Feb 2021
roadrunner, 23 Feb 2021if you want a real comparison check out this golden reviewe... moreSorry to say this but the quality of Golden Reviewer reviews/videos in general is actually still quite amateur.
I mean in the video link you gave, he could at least use a selfie stick or similar (that holds 2 phones), we don't have much idea which S21U has better stabilisation. Moreover the main issue with the S21U Exynos is either the stabilisation at 4K/8K or the jittering.
The performance tests are not systematically done in optimal conditions as well. Also the only demanding game being used is Genshin Impact. I am already aware of the optimisation issues and graphical glitches/bugs/freezes in that game. Just check the official forums (I have also played the game since 2 weeks after launch). I would rather test with other better optimised games such as Shadowgun Legends.
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- 23 Feb 2021
if you want a real comparison check out this golden reviewer on youtube -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31Ez2ZhP4BI
so really in depth comparisons
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- 23 Feb 2021
Oh, so Exynos is still way worse than Snapdragon. I bought last year S20+ in Europe, meaning Exynos version and I'm heavily unimpressed with it. Had S9+ since launch and was working much much better. Even my older HTC M9 seemed to handle things better for its time while throttling.
Thank you for this article, this year no upgrade, and next year I'd have to wait again for this sort of test. I'm also unhappy with the dip in RAM. Even if you'd think 8GB is enough, I had 12 last year and in no way I'm paying 400 euro more this year to get the 16GB version or 300 to get the SAME amount of RAM lolz.
Samsung made big bad bumbum even bigger.
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- dorwoo99
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- 23 Feb 2021
Siva, 22 Feb 2021Heard exynos 2100 has some serious heating issue. Many comp... moreThat's exactly the reason why I sent mine back,getting too hot and shutting the camera off in a videocall lol.
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- 23 Feb 2021
dazed1, 23 Feb 2021Or just educate yourself better before talking BSWho's talking BS? You.
It's not just the performance issue in the Exynos version, the camera performance has been subjected to issue. Not sure if Samsung has fixed it but there were jitters during 4K/8K recording and the quality is poor. SD models didn't suffer from the issue.
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- 23 Feb 2021
Anonymous, 23 Feb 2021Je$u$... not that shady closed source Speed Test G bullsh*t... moreRemember Antutu claiming the Exynos 2100 Samsung S21 Ultra reaching 800k while the SD888 Mi 11 with 740k? Then the real score is actually 640k below, just look at the reviews, not to mention any throttling. You also have the Mediatek benchmark cheating scandal in Antutu last year.
Yeah right, this is what happens in an open-source platform. Then as soon as the iPhone wins in a single benchmark, they will call that benchmark biased 👏
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- 23 Feb 2021
Anonymous, 22 Feb 2021Europeans: paying more money for a Galaxy and getting less ... moreOr just educate yourself better before talking BS
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MrDong, 22 Feb 2021https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Q0kB-2TFQ
Watch Gary Exp... moreJe$u$... not that shady closed source Speed Test G bullsh*t again!!!
The author refused to disclose how exactly his test runs and put a FAQ txt file on his GitHub instead of source code.
Translation: Exposed!!!
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- 23 Feb 2021
BashfulLine421, 22 Feb 2021It's so hilarious watching people be so ungrateful for... moreIt's so hilarious that you get all consumer-manufacturer relationship wrong:
It's manufacturer that should be grateful to consumer for purchasing their product, not the other way round. And Samsung was very ungrateful to most of their consumers by offering inferior model for the higher price.
The only thing some reviewers can be grateful to Samsung is the paycheck they get.
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- 23 Feb 2021
SEUL8TR, 22 Feb 2021How do you know it was throttling? Just because it was hot ... more55 C surface temperature is a dangerous level, lol
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- 23 Feb 2021
SEUL8TR, 22 Feb 2021What's weird, Exynos is even bigger but can't mat... moreThanks for the explanation. Other than the 4MB L3 Cache on the SD888 and Exynos some points you mentioned was not explicit even in Anandtech. This does not make Qualcomm’s partnership with Nuvia too promising, nor AMD with Exynos.
TSMC chips, Apple has increased die sizes on the A14 significantly so while the suggested performance jump is only 18%, the actual increase is significant. A14 does not have a thermal throttling issue, compared to the A13 in the iPhone 11 series (that one is quite bad). Huawei’s Kirin 9000 also has a good memory subsystem. 3DMark will tell you that it scores only about 50% and GsmA’s review suggests throttling, but it turns out that both sustained performance and TDP are excellent.
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- 22 Feb 2021
Mediatek sux, 22 Feb 2021Maybe its just cus most are located in the us. Techutopia u... moreNot going to give Egg NS a chance
Skyline is official getting help from Yuzu and Homebrew for their project, so no stolen code.
One of the devs of Skyline said the app will be ready within 1 year at the worst and will be published on Playstore.
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- Anonymous
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- 22 Feb 2021
Anonymous, 22 Feb 2021these new gen 5nm chipsets (a14, 2100, 888) are hot garbage... moreAs power goes up these things tend to happen, let's hope SD895 or 899 what whatever it's called moves to TSMC 5nm+ , and gives same thermal performance as SD855 which was excellent