ZTE Axon 30 breaks cover in hands-on videos
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- 26 Jul 2021
Xylem Everglow, 26 Jul 2021Tru, ngl the front cam quality still looks foggy as hell an... moreSamsung didn't do better with the Fold3 neither.
I mean, it is literally like trying to look through a wall by squinting really hard...
There are things you just can't improve past a certain limit.
The only thing that can still be done is using software to fix the mess.
And even there I don't want it, it is a huge privacy hazard and will still get really bad at biometrics.
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- 26 Jul 2021
AnonD-909757, 22 Jul 2021My dungeon? Are you trying to imply that, me, who advocate... moreTru, ngl the front cam quality still looks foggy as hell and still has it's glare issues. The only improvement I saw was how they made the under-display cam less noticable.
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- 23 Jul 2021
Joe, 23 Jul 2021Stop. You are embarrassing yourself. Answer these simple qu... moreWhat is embarrassing is how you keep being blind when faced with facts.
I've never said it take NO space, I said it doesn't take MUCH space.
To the point where a phone having it still beat in terms of battery capacity many other phones without pop up from entry flagship of the same dimensions including thickness, from the same year and even those this year too, in terms of battery capacity AND have the biggest cooling chamber of the world when it was released (and maybe even still).
But as usual, you read only what is convenient for you.
So yeah, the space it takes could indeed be used for other things, but so does the front camera itself, which could be removed ENTIRELY in this case.
And it means that you still think you know stuff and just talk about what you think is the case, while I give real world examples and proof through maths that you happily ignore.
So indeed, anti-pop up who have NEVER ONCE showed ANY evidence to back up their claims are wrong, what a shocker...
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- 23 Jul 2021
AnonD-909757, 23 Jul 2021Translation :
Oh no, he made a post entirely filled with a... moreStop. You are embarrassing yourself. Answer these simple questions and you will see how wrong your are.
1. Does a pop up camera take ANY space internally. Yes or No?
2. Could freeing up this space lead to bigger battery or better performance. Yes or No?
3. Do you know what literally means? Yes or No?
WE ARE WRONG.
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- 23 Jul 2021
Hmmm what is the reason for a no punch hole display when the bezels around the screen are thick? You have other phones that have a selfie camera up front but the bezels on the sides, top and bottom of the screen are very thin. Lets hope they have a pro version with very thin bezels or at least a curved screen so that it would look more premium. The Axon Ultra looks good tho...
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- 23 Jul 2021
Joe, 23 Jul 2021LOL!! TLDR Stop wasting your life kid. No one is going to r... moreTranslation :
Oh no, he made a post entirely filled with arguments backed up by science and facts, let's pretend I didn't read any of this.
I LITERALLY proved you that it doesn't take any relevant amount of space through MATHEMATICS.
The pop up is more than tough enough, it isn't because you THINK it is much more fragile than it actually is that it make it more fragile.
This is the difference between you and me, I look at facts, reality, you on the other hand think you know stuff
You talk about physic, but science doesn't work about "what you think is the truth".
The simple fact there are only few reports of pop up breaking prove you wrong and prove me right.
That's how it works, it is based on observations, not personal opinions.
The display, battery and electronic components in general are much less durable and more fragile than the pop up, it is a PROVEN fact by now.
You are toxic.
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- 23 Jul 2021
AnonD-909757, 23 Jul 2021How I am wrong, people simply keep repeating the same exact... moreLOL!! TLDR Stop wasting your life kid. No one is going to read your nonsense. You can't disputes physics. Indisputable fact a pop up mechanism is going to take up a lot of space that is better used elsewhere. Doesn't matter how big or small that space is. Phone is going to be thicker and heavier. Eventually moving parts break an opening more likely to let in water and dust. Enjoy your new USC in 2 years when you upgrade your phone. LOL!
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- 23 Jul 2021
Joe, 23 Jul 2021Except you are wrong. And everyone here knows it and laughs... moreHow I am wrong, people simply keep repeating the same exact sentences like zombie and not even once gave any evidences to backup their claims.
While I, on the other hand :
1) Proved through MATHEMATICS, and gave the ridiculously simplistic formula used to prove that the Poco F2 Pro battery density is on average among phones of its time period (2020) to check it yourself.
Because WHILE having the WORLD'S BIGGEST vapor cooling chamber of any smartphones prior to him, a 3.5mm Jack, a quad camera setup, IR Blaster, underdisplay fingerprint scanner, plus basically all features other phones also have, and 5G, it still manages that.
2) Say something EASY to check, that there are basically nowhere near any relevant number of reports about the pop up failing.
So YES it CAN break, many things CAN happen, it doesn't mean they DO, it is like the battery, it CAN explode, yet it is an extremely rare occurrence.
Display breaking and wearing out, electronic components dying out, and the battery dying or wearing out DO occur, MUCH OFTEN than the pop up are dying when comparing percentages.
And it is stupidly easy to understand that this kind of mechanism is quite sturdy and that there are really little conditions in which it can fail.
3) IP68 rated smartphones ALSO let water and dust get inside in many occasions, and many die from it, yet very little reports of smartphones having a pop up damaged or destroyed by liquid, dust and other particles are to be found.
Simply because people are as careful with it as with any non IP rated phones and not labelled as "water-resistant" and misleadingly referred to as "waterproof", meaning they don't use it on a pool which have the chlorine ruining the joints or the earpiece letting liquid in, and other behaviors that IP68 or not you should not have with a smartphone.
It does NOT ruin IP rating as the Poco F2 Pro IS IP53 rated, and again, the pop up can be made to be totally waterproof in many ways.
All those are FACTS, not my personal opinion, unlike what you and other fearmongers say about the pop up.
Yeah, the FIRST EVER phone with a pop up, the Vivo Nex A & S are both 8mm, which is actually more than slim enough and EASILY in the average of 2021 smarphones
As per evidences, here are the latest smartphones added to Kimovil :
OnePlus Nord 2 at 8.2mm, Motorola Moto G10 Power at 9.2mm, Realme C11 2021 at 8.9mm, Lava Z2S at 9mm, Realme GT Master Edition at 8mm.
Or the latest in GSMArena news :
Motorola Moto G100 at 9.7mm, Honor 30 at 8.1mm, Honor 30 Pro and Pro + at 8.4mm, Honor V30 at 8.9mm, Honor V30 Pro at 8.8mm, Honor Play4 Pro at 8.9mm, Poco X3 GT at 8.9mm, Redmi Note 10 Pro at 8.9mm, Lava Z2 and Z2s again at 9mm, OnePlus Nord 2 again at 8.3mm, OnePlus Nord at 8.2mm, Huawei P40 Pro and Pro + at 9mm, Huawei P smart 2021 at 9.3mm, Realme C12 and C15 at 9.8mm.
Only exceptions here are the Magic3 and Magic 3 Pro whose thickness are yet unknown AFAIK, same for the Axon Z30, the Flip isn't relevant here, and the iPhone 13 which will surely be between 7mm and 8mm.
Not cherry-picking, LITERALLY ALL phones that had a specsheet on GSMArena and Kimovil, and NONE are smaller than the old Vivo Nex A and S, in fact those with similar thickness have barely more battery capacity, if none at all.
The Poco F2 Pro with his 8.9mm thick is PERFECTLY in the mix, it isn't thicker.
Obviously if you start comparing the slimmer phones with it, you'll find a difference, but so does the majority of the smartphones.
There is of course some sub 6mm phones too, but since 2017 there is only few, 11 results (filters to avoid non smartphone devices) :
https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2017&nThicknessMax=6&nCamPrimMin=1&sSIMTypes=1,2,3,4&sOSes=2
Only 37 bellow 7mm vs 540 between 7mm and 8mm, and 1056 between 8mm and 9mm and still 490 between 9mm and 10mm.
https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2017&nThicknessMin=8&nThicknessMax=9&nCamPrimMin=1&sSIMTypes=1,2,3,4&sOSes=2
And when looking at only the most moderns (since 2019), well only the Huawei Mate X and Xs appear under 6mm and this is when unfolded.
Meanwhile there are 9 results for 7mm and bellow, vs 236 for 7mm to 8mm, and a great 703 between 8mm and 9mm, which is with 353 between 9mm and 10mm.
The point is made, the older Vivo Nex A & S were bellow the thickness average, while the Poco F2 Pro is perfectly within.
Also there is also a "phone slimmer than they need to be" being a thing, I'll have you learn that there are a non-negligible amounts of people who feel really uncomfortable holding a too thin phone.
I have a thick case on my Poco F2 Pro which make it 12mm thick and I wouldn't change it for anything slimmer.
"Why don't you go buy" *insert phone model/brand here*
Literally, the UDC will FLOOD the market and leave no room for OTHER ALTERNATIVES, this does include the pop up, yet saying the truth about it and not wanting it to be the only alternative left make me the villain.
But you think that, you, bashing the pop up, who have been bashed to extinction and was available on only few devices and would have never invaded the market anyway and could PERFECTLY BUY SOMETHING ELSE, is a legitimate thing?
How egocentric are you to not understand the irony of the situation here?
So, why not buying a Blackberry?
Because I want a modern smartphone without a stupid and useless front spying camera to either ruin the display or been implemented in the stupidest solution possible.
The benefits? Like a crappy camera quality (yeah, "it will improve", as because one can expect that looking through a brick wall can improve as much as looking through a windows), the worst front camera related privacy threat ever, a really huge amount of money spend on R&D that'll have to be accounted for and have the cost of phone getting a HUGE jump once the tech is securely in the market?
People were literally reacting the same way you are right now when the punch hole was announced as an alternative for the notches, and here we are now with a solution even worse that is only overhyped because the punch hole was so awful we want to get rid of it.
The fact that people like you with an abstract thinking and totally unable to make a clear distinction between possibilities and reality think that the pop up is bad, and the UDC is great, doesn't mean it is the case.
Mainly when an INTJ is throwing tons of 100% logical, truth worthy, science based, and real life references as a proof, and you still blindly refuse it without even once having a single bit of logic in your reasoning other than "I've read X number of persons and people from X and Y sources saying that it do that, so since I have to agree to the many because I am socially programmed to not think by myself but rather follow everyone, I'll consider it as the ultimate truth even when facing a perfect evidence of the opposite".
So I really don't care about people like that laughing at me, I pity them for having such a low level of consciousness, but I'll not let it get in the way of the truth.
I don't particularly like the pop up, give me a better alternative, trending or not, hyped or not, if it is good, I'll like it, if it is better than the pop up, I'll easily advocate it rather than the pop up, which is exactly what I do with "disappearing camera" alternatives BTW.
You, on the other hand, you are totally unable to do that.
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- 23 Jul 2021
AnonD-909757, 22 Jul 2021Except that : 1) I already debunked the "pop up take ... moreExcept you are wrong. And everyone here knows it and laughs at you. The companies that make the phones said it themselves and it is simple physics. The pop up and flip cameras takes up valuable needed space to make the battery bigger. It has moving parts that can break. It lets in water and dust and ruins IP ratings. And the most obvious it makes phones thicker than the need to be. Why don't you go buy a blackberry and stop posting your nonsense. We will all be using our USC phones and enjoying all the new benefits.
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- 22 Jul 2021
Handsome Squidward, 22 Jul 2021It is almost invisible such a great leap in technology only... moreYet still the pop up was much better, so does the Asus Flip Up, sliders smartphones and those without front camera like the Nubia Z20.
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- 22 Jul 2021
It is almost invisible such a great leap in technology only on the second generation gotta give props to ZTE
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- 22 Jul 2021
Joe, 22 Jul 2021This phone is a game changer. A true flagship. Full screen ... moreExcept that :
1) I already debunked the "pop up take internal space" thing :
https://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-48898.php#2301010
The Poco F2 Pro is a great example of this with an above average battery capacity to body volume AND still have other space taking things other phones don't.
2) Moving parts can break, so does the Sun, the Earth and the Universe.
Yet in reality, there is really little reports of pop up failing, and any non-biased person who actually know what they talk about consider them as ultra reliable.
3) IP rating is much less useful as you think, in fact, take any phone with a pop up and compare it when any IP67/68 rated phone from the same year, and you'll see that much more percentages of the IP rated phones did actually have reports of getting damaged or dying from liquids.
Also, the Poco F2 Pro DO have IP rating, IP53, which is actually more than enough.
And this doesn't even take into consideration that the pop up can be improved and there are ways to make it 100% waterproof, not water-resistant, but actual real waterproof.
The ONLY downside of the pop up was that it was stopped, because of lies like that.
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- 22 Jul 2021
Anonymous, 22 Jul 2021Lol back to your dungeon, the selfie quality is fine for gen 2My dungeon?
Are you trying to imply that, me, who advocate for literal hologram like projectors on the back of phones combined with highly advanced face recognition while still providing privacy, all this using already existing tech, I am not about high tech?
Please, the reason why I am against underdisplay camera is because of how much of a step backward it actually is.
And this IS the second generation, and it still has a worse quality than a decade old phone's camera.
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- 22 Jul 2021
AnonD-909757, 22 Jul 2021Wow, what a big surprise, the selfie quality is awful... W... moreLol back to your dungeon, the selfie quality is fine for gen 2
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- 22 Jul 2021
This phone is a game changer. A true flagship. Full screen without popup camera that take up lot of internal space, have moving parts that can break and compromise IP ratings. Apple will steal it in 2 years and take credit. Time to retire my Axon 7. Only thing better would have been higher resolution screen.
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- 22 Jul 2021
Anonymous, 22 Jul 2021When an OEM shows you only the upper half of the display, y... moreWhen an anonymous user, does not see the news and goes directly to the comments, passes is
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- 22 Jul 2021
RN, 22 Jul 2021No need to hate, my mate. Calm down.The day people will stop to hate on other options like pop up, no front cam and all that, that such diversity of options comeback, and the underdisplay camera will not flood the market leaving no other room for anything else like the punch hole and notches did, then I'll stop.
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- 22 Jul 2021
AnonD-909757, 22 Jul 2021Wow, what a big surprise, the selfie quality is awful... W... moreNo need to hate, my mate. Calm down.
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- 22 Jul 2021
Wow, what a big surprise, the selfie quality is awful...
Who would have thought!
When there are alternatives that barely need any R&D to be made, cost next to nothing, and have basically no cons, but you keep insisting on something that was already supposed to be released 3 years ago and with the biggest OEMs still unable to make an acceptable one and have tons of cons, just because it is overhyped...
Smart bunch.