Sony Xperia Pro-I promos highlight photo and video capabilities
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- 29 Oct 2021
SpiritWolf, 26 Oct 2021Computational photography isn't photography anymore bu... moreNot really, what I mean is that stacking and binning can get your picture closer to reality instead of sticking the biggest sensor and pixels on it and just capturing the old way - do it yourself way. That way you can stack and bin the pixels too, the result, usage scenarios and time it takes is mostly not worth, at least not for most of pics taken.
Processing is another thing, sometimes its better sometimes not, depends on brands and product/sw.
Point of computational photography in phones is to bring fullframe like quality by processing multiple pictures, multiple pixels, using multiple sensors(monochrome-, color-,..), AI and whatever more in thin body of that phone.
Sony does like opposite, truly prehistoric.
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- 28 Oct 2021
gno1212, 28 Oct 2021It's a matter of physical limitation. I believe sony c... moreMoment lenses are notoriously known for being bad, they have a lot of chromatic aborration and other artifacts. Think about added lenses like they are speedboosters. They have the same issues, you're adding additional glass (that is probably sub-par quality wise). I also doubt that any company like Moment will make lenses for companies like Sony, they won't sell well if it's not for a popular brand/phone. We'll see how Sony improves the camera in the future.
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- 28 Oct 2021
I'm buying this just for the SD card slot 😀❤️
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- 28 Oct 2021
Gaendra, 27 Oct 2021Getting ugly and ugly design. And I don't really like ... moreyou can always slap a skin to any android phone...
but de-skinning is difficult, have to change the entire rom...
you should not have get the 1ii...
i also have 1ii, my most recent xperia and being my work phone, it just needs to be "boring" haha...
at least on ui... and in the eyes of most people...
what i enjoy are the apps on it... tinkering of camera settings... and of course, corporate apps works flawlessly on it...
to me, 1ii appears better as 1iii has some heating issues they say, but was already fixed by updates, again, they say... but still in general sd865 is more efficient than sd888...
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- 28 Oct 2021
Samath N8 808 owner, 27 Oct 2021You're right bro, but with all due respect, People don... moreYou are abs correct. Size is the limitation
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- 28 Oct 2021
DjAlonDevil, 27 Oct 2021Ah yes, the good ol' "if you want to take good pi... moreIt's a matter of physical limitation. I believe sony can make it, but it could be ridiculous seeing how big the camera bump for the lens.
There is an alternative by using external camera lens, like moment lens, maybe they can make a mounting like gopro mod. But will it sell? How big should they invest for the lens production? that's another problem
So in the meantime, faux bokeh are the most preferrable choice by any phone manufacturer
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- 27 Oct 2021
gno1212, 27 Oct 2021If you prefer actual bokeh, use mirrorless or dslr with big... moreYou're right bro, but with all due respect, People don't want just a camera. They want it all in a sub 9 mm device.
Plus, no harm for companies in actually trying natural bokeh. They're doing a somewhat acceptable job, aren't they? This 1 inch sensor looks good so far.
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- 27 Oct 2021
gno1212, 27 Oct 2021If you prefer actual bokeh, use mirrorless or dslr with big... moreAh yes, the good ol' "if you want to take good pictures, buy a camera" argument. Try to be more creative next time :). Sony should've aimed for what I said, since they are trying to make it as close to a camera as they can.
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- 27 Oct 2021
gno1212, 27 Oct 2021Full frame camera sensor with f2.0, has the the same depth ... moreYeah I know how camera sensors work, and I already stated that f2 is okay, but not wonderful.
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- 27 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 26 Oct 2021F2.0 paired with larger sensor is not same of f2.0 paired w... moreDon't be stupid, I didn't compare a 1-inch sensor to the smallest of sensors on phones. I'm comparing it to the ones who are the closest to the 1-inch size.
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- 27 Oct 2021
Gaendra, 27 Oct 2021Getting ugly and ugly design. And I don't really like ... moreThere is a word called 'customization' on android, go googling it out with your android phone
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- 27 Oct 2021
"all recycled paper and no plastic for the packaging" I really liked that.hope this concept is adopted with other major brands real soon.besides,removing charging brick does cause excessive paper and plastic use due to online purchases.
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- 27 Oct 2021
Getting ugly and ugly design. And I don't really like ITS UI ... Mine is Xperia 1ii but I am really bored
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- 27 Oct 2021
Wonder what will happen to iphone cinematography promotion the pro res 🤔.
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- 27 Oct 2021
DjAlonDevil, 26 Oct 2021Only if you're shooting landscape, most phone owners t... moreIf you prefer actual bokeh, use mirrorless or dslr with big sensor and big lens. Smartphone with small sensor will never achieve the look of big sensor with big lens, it's a physical limitation. That's why smartphone use computational photography to mitigate this limitation
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DjAlonDevil, 26 Oct 2021Really cool, but f2.0 sucks for low light. Even for a 1-inc... moreFull frame camera sensor with f2.0, has the the same depth of field as APSC sensor with f1.4. Meaning with bigger sensor, you can have more depth of field even with smaller aperture (f2 smaller than f1.4). Now 1 inch sensor is considered big for smartphone, i think f2 is good enough
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- 26 Oct 2021
Anyway 1800 or 2000 with Vlog monitor is way too much.
Mi 11 ultra can be bought from 730 bucks and is equal to this new Sony or maybe even better.
That 1.0-inch type imager is taken straight off the company's very popular RX100 VII compact camera, but it has been 'optimized for a smartphone'. What that means is that the Xperia Pro-I uses a big chunk of that sensor (but not all of it) to produce 12MP images with a 2.4µm pixel pitch - that's some 20% larger than the iPhone 13 Pro Max' pixels and about the same size as those from the Galaxy S21 Ultra's main camera, after binning. So despite not using the full 1.0-inch sensor area, the Xperia Pro-I does end up with a huge sensor only really bested by the Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra and its 2.8µm binned pixels.
Copied from GSM Arena post from yesterday.
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- 26 Oct 2021
DjAlonDevil, 26 Oct 2021Really cool, but f2.0 sucks for low light. Even for a 1-inc... moreF2.0 paired with larger sensor is not same of f2.0 paired with 1/2.6" at same FL.
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DjAlonDevil, 26 Oct 2021Only if you're shooting landscape, most phone owners t... moreI totally understand. Did not think about this aspect as i never shoot people but nature and buildings. Landscape. And some macros.
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- 26 Oct 2021
SpiritWolf, 26 Oct 2021Wider the aperture, messier the pic, usually. IMO, 2.0 is a... moreOnly if you're shooting landscape, most phone owners take pictures of people (aka portraits). Therefore, a faster aperture is a must on a phone. Sony placed a ToF sensor for the added depth effect, but it sucks compared to actual bokeh that is produced by the lens. I own a 1-inch camera, and the difference between f2.0 and f1.8 or faster is huge. Also, they added the ability to stop down the lens in order to get more sharpness and overall improvements to the image when shooting landscape etc, so there's no need to make the fastest aperture... not really fast. f2.0 isn't bad, but also not amazing. And 1-inch sensors aren't big enough to either be super good at low light, or make the background more out of focus. Overall, I'm hoping for improvements in the future.