Weekly poll: do you still want depth and macro cameras on your phones?
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- Shaheen
- uZa
- 14 Nov 2021
Useless these are depth and macro cameras.
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- Waqas
- pRB
- 14 Nov 2021
No
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- Gil
- y6W
- 14 Nov 2021
Vegetaholic, 13 Nov 2021Lets be honest people wants 3d sensors ultrawide autofocus ... moreI'm agree with your comment, its better to add gimbal stabilizer. Everyone takes video and pictures FHD
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- Vegetaholic
- 3a2
- 13 Nov 2021
Lets be honest people wants 3d sensors ultrawide autofocus but its just "want" the word, nothing else. Everybody knows that macro and deapth sensors in phones are useless and no one uses them.
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- BR Noob
- f}n
- 12 Nov 2021
afronoia, 09 Nov 2021Yea I remember Meizu 16 series with almost symmetrical top ... moreAgreed. Bezels on smartphones aren't useless. If you play games and watch videos, sometimes it's useful. In fact well designed phone bezels don't look bad at all. Even sometimes better punchholes or notches. It's always the design and symmetry which matters on the front. Not the form factors of camera cutouts.
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- BR Noob
- f}n
- 12 Nov 2021
I think a phone with 3 cameras, ultrawide, telephoto and main camera. For portraits, a 3d sensor is ok even though I'm not a fan of mobile portraits. And for macro there should be telemacro or ultrawide af. It's fun to play around with macros but those shitty 2mp macros are just meanigless. Same goes for those 2mp depth srnsors.
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- Anonymous
- D$0
- 12 Nov 2021
I’m fine with a depth sensor, and I don’t mind having a dedicated macro sensor, as long as it is not at the expense of the other typical sensors most people use , main , wide, and telephoto..
In my testing , most phones with decent cameras can take fairly good detailed up close shots with a little bit of effort from the person behind the camera .
Even older good smart phone cameras can do surprisingly well.
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- abhi
- rKf
- 11 Nov 2021
I'll prefer dual camera setup with big sensors ; a main camera and a telephoto lens , this is more than sufficient for all smartphone photography needs and telephoto lens can produce better portrait results compared to depth camera setup.
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- SubmersedShutter
- 3SL
- 11 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 09 Nov 2021I don't understand cameras but if I remember correctly... moreA real camera has an interchangeable lens mount; the smartphone is just a supplement that remains in your pocket. Of all my lenses, I'd never trade my 90mm f/2.8 G OSS... pair that to a beauty like the Sony A7r IV (that's 61 MP my friends), extension tubes or bellows and you'll get a feeling what real photography is ;)
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- AnonD-909757
- pZV
- 10 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 10 Nov 2021This makes sense but that would mean to have dual displays ... moreThe Nubia Z20 didn't cost that much, it launched at around 550$, while having a SD855+.
I'd pay extra to have a secondary display on the back and no front camera.
In fact, looking at how ugly are notches and punch hole, I'd pay extra for the same phone without any front camera.
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- Anonymous
- Kg@
- 10 Nov 2021
AnonD-909757, 09 Nov 2021Yes, with a phone like the Nubia Z20, Vivo Nex Dual Screen,... moreThis makes sense but that would mean to have dual displays which I don't know about smartphone component costs but wouldn't an additional display or a wrap around screen make a phone even more expensive?
So would that mean that this solution is only applicable for high-end phones?
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- PeanutPooper
- LeG
- 09 Nov 2021
Depth cameras are a waste of space. nobody take bokhe portraits on phones - it sucks! Future is a phone with one camera for all (from Ultrawide to telephoto zooming)(With real mechanism) + infrared camera + termo camera + 3D Scaner
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- AnonD-909757
- pZV
- 09 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 09 Nov 2021I don't understand cameras but if I remember correctly... moreNot really, modern Periscope already take up space, and considering that it could allow combining minimum two sensors, possibly 3 or 4 if on top of doing Telephoto job, it can replace Wide, Macro and Depth camera, you gain even more space.
OEMs just don't care about it, like for many other things, and since people already criticize it for no reasons anyway, it gives it a bad enough image causing OEMs to have no reasons to implement it.
If you wonder why X or Y tech that would be a better choice isn't a thing, 99% of the time the answer is "the community is super toxic with criticizing anything that isn't trending that OEMs don't bother anymore".
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- AnonD-909757
- pZV
- 09 Nov 2021
Rajinders, 09 Nov 2021Depth sensor camera is a waste on resources in mobile phone... moreIt is a matter of opinion.
The most important for most is the Wide which is almost always the best sensor of the phone anyway, some barely use the Ultra-Wide and often use the Telephoto.
If you are really into photography, a real (not using a ToF or a depth camera) Portrait is desirable, and depending on the person, so could be the Macro.
Let's be honest here, the issue with the Macro is that most are low resolution, 5Mp isn't anywhere near enough for real photography, and many people actually don't know how to use Macro, I've seen people taking 30Cm away close up and say that "the Wide can do the same"...
But even as someone who don't often get outside, I've encountered dozens of situations where the power of a Telephoto would have been handy for multiple reasons and where numeric/hybrid aren't enough.
The best anyway is to have a good and powerful Zoom Telephoto that can also do Macro and Portrait.
ToF isn't useful for now as AR is barely a thing, and ToF sensors aren't high resolution (depth map resolution, not sensor resolution) enough for proper usage without having to rely on AI to try to guesstimate the edges.
An actual great alternative to ToF is actually possible through something such as liquid lenses or deformable mirrors, where, with a really shallow depth of field and a really fast focus, by taking a rapid succession of images, you can gather depth information.
So it combines Telephoto, Macro, Portrait and ToF at once, also allowing things like images you can re-focus after taking it like Light Field camera allow, its only limitation would be with fast-moving objects that would appear inconsistently, the sensor would also be naturally optimized for slow-mo and low light.
So if it is a real Zoom with a focal length that can change between the same as the phone's Wide up to a good Telephoto equivalent, you have one monster of a sensor/camera that can almost do it all already.
It would take a bit of space as it has to be a multistaged periscope, but you only need two sensors anyway.
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- AnonD-909757
- pZV
- 09 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 09 Nov 2021Ah yes nothing like using the rear camera to video call, wh... moreYes, with a phone like the Nubia Z20, Vivo Nex Dual Screen, Huawei Mate X and Xs, or what would have been the Xiaomi Mi Alpha, or using such accessory :
https://walyou.com/wp-content/uploads//2010/12/OneMoreFace-1.jpg
Which could be integrated into the phone's back or the case.
It is indeed better and the BEST idea.
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- Rajinders
- U@n
- 09 Nov 2021
Depth sensor camera is a waste on resources in mobile phone cameras. So is the Macro camera.
The best combination of cameras on a Mobile phone is
1- Normal Wide Camera
2- Ultra-Wide Camera
3- Telescopic Lens Camera
... among the above three, Ultra Wide Lens Camera is quite important to bring in Camera frame, a group of people not able to stand far away from the Camera.
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- Anonymous
- Kg@
- 09 Nov 2021
afronoia, 09 Nov 2021Yea I remember Meizu 16 series with almost symmetrical top ... moreI think a more newer example are the Sony Xperia. Also IMHO I like to have a bigger notch than having a punch hole.
My reasoning being that if you have a big notch you know its there, it doesn't distract me.
As for the punchole cameras sure they are smaller and less noticeable but its because of that it attracts even more attention because I keep looking back if that was a camera or dead pixel.
Now if only they'd follow Sony's current push for bezel cameras then that'd probably good.
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- Anonymous
- Kg@
- 09 Nov 2021
Jason Melling, 08 Nov 2021No. Also NOBODY needs a front camera.Ah yes nothing like using the rear camera to video call, what an excellent idea
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- Anonymous
- Kg@
- 09 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 08 Nov 2021Exactly.
I never understood why manufacturers chose diff... moreI don't understand cameras but if I remember correctly the main problem is space constraints. Normal cameras only have 1 lens because you can change their focal length (don't know if that's the correct term) by moving the lens thing forward or backward. But phones don't have that space so they use multiple fixed lenses+sensors that simulate this.
If somebody knows more about this, please correct me.