Weekly poll results: depth and macro cameras still have some support, new tech is preferred
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- AnonD-909757
- pZV
- 16 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 16 Nov 2021"...they simply avoid putting in on cheap phones to no... moreBecause you don't want to admit/can't realize that the smartphone market is just the worse, and they just disrespect consumer so much it is disgusting.
This is still better than not putting any Telephoto and putting a 2Mp Macro instead.
I'd replace my Poco F2 Pro's 2Mp useless depth camera with a 8Mp or even 5Mp plastic lens Telephoto anyday!
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- Anonymous
- KZK
- 16 Nov 2021
AnonD-909757, 15 Nov 2021It isn't as costly as you think it is.
It is simply d... more"...they simply avoid putting in on cheap phones to not damage the sales of more expensive phones."
I doubt that. Of course you can put a telephoto camera on a cheap phone by putting a low-res 5MP or 8MP sensor with plastic lens and call it a day, but even someone like Xiaomi wouldn't do that.
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- AnonD-909757
- pZV
- 15 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 15 Nov 2021Putting a telephoto camera itself on a smartphone is not ch... moreIt isn't as costly as you think it is.
It is simply deemed a "premium" feature, and even if it isn't expensive, they simply avoid putting in on cheap phones to not damage the sales of more expensive phones.
Like many other capitalist thing, it is done to screw the customer and milk it from every bit possible of money, rather than for legit reasons.
In fact, there are enough cheap phones with a Telephoto proving it is totally doable, but they aren't known nor well promoted.
From the super cheap Doogee X95 to the Realme 6 Pro (which is still really affordable), there are quite a few phones like the Galaxy A12, or the Xiaomi Redmi 10x Pro (so there are different price steps) who are mid to low/entry who have a Telephoto.
Don't forget that the camera sensor is the most expensive part, and the lens you put on it is what make it being a Wide, Ultra-Wide, Telephoto, Macro, Portrait and all that.
So, obviously, not all phones require a Telephoto, nor all those who would have one would require a sophisticated one, but when it comes to upper mid-end and high-end phones, 2Mp or 5Mp sensors shouldn't even be considered at all.
And high-end should not have the Macro embed into the Ultra-Wide when a better option exist.
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- Anonymous
- KZK
- 15 Nov 2021
AnonD-909757, 14 Nov 2021People still doesn't get it : Macro mode should NOT b... morePutting a telephoto camera itself on a smartphone is not cheap. Heck, I only see flagship-grade smartphones have it. There is very little midrange or upper midrange, let alone entry-level smartphones with telephoto camera. I think that putting macro on the main wide camera is not a far-fetched idea.
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- Rkm
- ypc
- 15 Nov 2021
AnonD-909757, 14 Nov 2021People still doesn't get it :
Macro mode should NOT b... moreThat's true. Other than being needed to almost touch the subject, the perspective distortion of the short focal length warps the subject's shape way too much.
60mm would be OK for macro, if it's around 90mm even better.
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- Francis
- y6V
- 15 Nov 2021
There is beauty in capturing small objects like flowers and insect.Its differs world in seeing small subjects, macro lens is an important addition.
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- j5{
- 15 Nov 2021
Flagships don't need 2MP sensors so why would budget phones need them. They're useless.
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- kanaaka
- wrj
- 14 Nov 2021
Fabiana, 14 Nov 2021As a former 808 PureView user I would rather have a good la... moreThere is xperia 1 pro-i for that, but the pricing is eye watering 🥲
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- AnonD-909757
- pZV
- 14 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 14 Nov 2021Ultra wide camera with AF is more practical way than macroPeople still doesn't get it :
Macro mode should NOT be put into the Ultra-Wide, it is a logic as putting a sniper scope on a combat knife, it should be with the Telephoto.
Yes, the UW "can" do it, but the result is far from what a dedicated Macro with a good sensor or a Telephoto with Macro mode would do.
Both Portrait (with real Bokeh through shallow depth of field) and Macro (through short focus distance) should be integrated into the Telephoto.
And as for 3D ToF, they aren't useful yet as there isn't nearly enough AR/scanning apps available, and current 3D ToF sensors are based on industrial ones, not scanner ones, there would need to be a MUCH higher resolution to be used for proper Bokeh without this amateurish result of blurred hairs and other sharp edges.
The BEST setup is either : Wide + Ultra-Wide + Telephoto who can also do Macro and Portrait.
Or : Ultra-Wide + Zoom going from Wide to (3x?) Telephoto who also do Macro and Portrait.
And as for real time 3D scanning, through tech such as liquid lens, in the shallowest depth of field mode, a rapid focus distance "scanning" can already give great and precise depth map with a resolution as high as the sensor's resolution.
It would be kind of the opposite of Gated Imaging.
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- Anonymous
- KZK
- 14 Nov 2021
Ultra wide camera with AF is more practical way than macro
- YUKI93
- IVG
- 14 Nov 2021
sudione, 14 Nov 2021As consumers, we want the successor of the Redmi 10X Pro mo... moreThe Redmi 10X Pro and also the Motorola One Zoom proves the point that even a midrange-tier smartphone can have decent camera hardware.
- YUKI93
- IVG
- 14 Nov 2021
Fabiana, 14 Nov 2021As a former 808 PureView user I would rather have a good la... moreCouldn't agree more. The 808 PureView and the Lumia 1020 are the only smartphones ever existed that can truly give a DSLR-like photo quality with their true-to-life realistic detail and colour. The 808's f/2.4 and the 1020's f/2.2 aperture aren't helping much in lowlight conditions, but the natural bokeh it can produce when doing close-up macro in daylight is beyond belief.
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- Abu Musa
- 3YY
- 14 Nov 2021
Nowadays 2 MP camera no need for any purpose. Personally I don't like macro or defth sensor but if manufacturing company want to provide macro or defth sensor should provide at least 5 MP.
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- LG Superfan
- Pxp
- 14 Nov 2021
sudione, 14 Nov 2021As consumers, we want the successor of the Redmi 10X Pro mo... moreI just Goolged it and I was like WTF why haven't I heard of such a phone, it has everything an averagw consumer needs and proper yet decent cameras
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- LG Superfan
- Pxp
- 14 Nov 2021
Anonymous, 14 Nov 2021I agree with you. Manufacturers will never give us better c... moreYeah I agree if they are giving us crap than atleast make it useful crap
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- pangolinpanda
- mrG
- 14 Nov 2021
Regular, Telephoto and Wide is nice. Telephoto is nice because it's also suitable for portrait photos.
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- Dudenoway
- 6p{
- 14 Nov 2021
Tho I didn't vote cuz I didn't see the poll. I would say uw cam with AF for macro and ToF 3D for depth. That's all I can say. People who think 2mp is enough is casuals. But I bet even casuals will notice the difference between 2mp sensors and uw cm with AF or ToF 3D for depth.
- sudione
- pmH
- 14 Nov 2021
As consumers, we want the successor of the Redmi 10X Pro model in the middle shelf of smartphones. (Almost) full equipment below $350.😎
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- Fabiana
- Jm%
- 14 Nov 2021
As a former 808 PureView user I would rather have a good large sensor with matching lens for portrait and proper JPEG processing than having a bunch of tiny sensors employed just for aesthetics.
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- Anonymous
- t7v
- 14 Nov 2021
YUKI93, 14 Nov 2021The macro sensor can be embedded inside an ultrawide camera... moreAnd i've also seen phones that can't take portrait photo before then i just use an app to do it and it worked pretty well so i'm not sure if the 3D sensor is necessary if the AI is good enough. As for the ultrawide being macro, i think it will still create very soft and blurry edges but if you asked me, i'll rather have a microscope camera in place of the macro then push the job of the macro to the ultra wide.