The Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 is the first 5nm chipset for Windows-on-ARM laptops, 7c+ Gen 3 tags along
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Wiil intel be like nokia?!!
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Affordable? This is presuming the OEMs will aim the proper market.
The Acer Spin 7 (SD 8cx) retails for more than $1500 USD.
Nice try.
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- 21 Dec 2021
AnonF-1006353, 20 Dec 2021If people compare my posts to your posts they will immediat... moreYes, people can judge that you have no proof to show anything. It's always "becos I say so". I backup with links that showed factual data, but to your personal narrow-mindedness emotions, you boldly keep claiming they are all paid and/or fake tests/reviews.
Nothing else to support and you even have to bring in different countries have different prices. What a laugh! Hahahaha
Your ego is really big and think your words is holy truth.
You need medical help and you need it fast!
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- 20 Dec 2021
Hamburger, 20 Dec 2021You should've stopped long ago when I pointed out that... moreIf people compare my posts to your posts they will immediately spot the troll. I'm not the one getting personal here. You really seem to be emotionally invested in apple, but i won't judge.
On topic: Yes, cpu core temps, that's how you normally determine cpu temps. And the SSD and RAM in this case are inside this SoC on the M1 Max. So, certainly closer than the case temperature on your lap..
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- 20 Dec 2021
AnonF-1006353, 18 Dec 2021No, the 3D modelling software in the LTT Video was native a... moreYou should've stopped long ago when I pointed out that you don't know no sh!t.
Is upgradeability and having more native software a performance matrix? I repeat: Nobody is interested to know what you prefer!!!
LT video showed the temps from core!!!! Do you know what that is?? Look at it again from this start time and see how normal people use their laptops. Is it over 80C on your lap??!!
https://youtu.be/i4CuZqXA4BM?t=641
Win notebooks don't get hot?? You must be very happy living on Lala land! Hahahahahaha
Blender ver 3.1 is due for next year 2022 release to harness the M1 silicon. So in actual fact, there's ONLY one pathetic miserable test call Redshift renderer that did well on x86 gpu. You're shouting victory as if that 1 test represented everything and all of the Max performance. Really don't know what to make of you..... you poor unfortunate soul....
You don't even read up or study or try to understand that kind of BS you posted. Twisting and ignoring facts?? Well, hope you make lots of money bashing and trolling.
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- 18 Dec 2021
Hamburger, 16 Dec 2021Hahahahaha~ after reading all your posts, I finally can con... moreNo, the 3D modelling software in the LTT Video was native and the M1 Max lost big time. You didn't even get my versatility point, like upgradeable RAM or SSD in Win notebooks, also, more native running software. (to the temp argument: because it's not as close to the SoC/CPU in Win notebooks, it doesn't get that hot, also the ram. Ever thought about that? ... And by the way, the M1 Max reached way over 80 degrees in the LTT Video) At this point, you are just acting like a wrangler and just try to twist views by ignoring facts. Makes me wonder wether you are one of your so called paid trolls, because i'm certainly not. I will stop here.
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- 18 Dec 2021
Hamburger, 16 Dec 2021Nope. You're not even close. Your USD2200 example is pretty close then, as the 64GB M1 Max is only that cheap (3700) in the US, not in other countries, keep that in mind.
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- 16 Dec 2021
AnonF-1006353, 16 Dec 2021I conclude, notebooks with the HX -paired- with a rtx 3080 ... moreThis on Amazon has a 5900HX and just a 3060 graphics. Only 16GB ram and 1TB ssd. Priced at USD2200 already. You guys just bash and troll with nothing to proof and show.
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Zephyrus-Display-Keyboard-GX551QM-ES96/dp/B093VHSS89/ref=sr_1_2?currency=USD&keywords=AMD%20Ryzen%209%205980HX&language=en_US&qid=1639663173&sr=8-2
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AnonF-1006353, 16 Dec 2021I conclude, notebooks with the HX -paired- with a rtx 3080 ... moreNope. You're not even close.
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- 16 Dec 2021
AnonF-1006353, 16 Dec 2021My point is, that apple shouldn't be glorified. It... moreHahahahaha~ after reading all your posts, I finally can conclude you're paid to bash and troll.
The reviews only showed the numbers of what the Max can do. Those numbers are real. It is your blindness from hate that you have some per-conceive idea that it is the fastest. Anandtech didn't say it is the fastest, neither did Tomshardware. They merely showed the numbers and comparing those numbers with power consumption, the M1 Soc is indeed a game changer. All data are facts pointing to that, and everyone who runs test on it showed the same!
That kind of BS you're spewing is just beyond low intellect. Not the best price performance ratio? The mac can do so many things very well, not just media codec stuffs. People use it to do programing becos it can compile codes so much faster than Intel cpus. Nice display, fast ssd suits everything else too. Having hi rez screen also means viewing more lines of codes in the IDE. You're hopeless in your way of narrow minded thinking! It's like you have a car, it's not just for shopping use, you can drive uber with it and make money! Oh man... why do I even bother replying to your nonsense....
The entire Max SoC chip has much lower temps than the RTX3080. 3D mark says the 3080 gpu alone is 67 celcius. Max chip when stress is around 54C, according to LT video. Your laptop has ram/cpu/ssd running at high temps yet you didn't know! There's the HX cpu temps to add too!
And that LT video showed tests running on Dolphin emulator w/o Metal. You rather believe that as holy truth??!! Super low intellect.... The only native app that LT showed running Max was Davinci, and that smokes the windows laptop. Everything else were on Rosetta or Dolphin. Go watch it again and get that into your head!
When the mac fails, you can send it in for repair just like any other laptops! What are you even thinking to say that you basically throw it away??!!! Are you high again on illegal substance??!!
The mac is just as versatile as any other laptops out there. It is your hatred and narrow minded thinking that is seeing it as not versatile. What can a windows laptop do that a mac laptop can't? Can you name them? You said you are not convinced, becos you are blinded by hatred.
Whether it's worth the money or not, that's your personal view. Apple did their market research and priced the 16" Max as such, to compete with laptops of that price range for that performance. People who wants big performance laptop on windows pay USD8000 for a workstation class that comes with xeon cpu and quadro graphics with ECC rams. Just becos you don't buy them or use them, don't mean they are not worth their price.
It takes time for software to be ported to ARM codes. Don't know why are you even mentioning it. Again you don't like how apple operates, it's your own hatred here. Nothing wrong with apple, it's like why MS wants proprietary DirectX? Companies make many proprietary stuffs, nothing strange here. You are a windows lover, OK we get it. That has nothing to do with the Max performance here. Your subjective personal likings has nothing to do with the objective Max performance backed by factual data.
Just show me a laptop at half price that has the performance of a 14" M1 Max 64GB 1TB ssd (USD3700) laptop. Match for match, like for like. Don't tell us about your liking for low rez screen with less colour, or slower ssd is enough, or you don't use more than 16GB ram. Not interested to know what you like or use. Objectively a laptop priced at USD1850 on par with the I mac mentioned.
You're just a hater who wants to spread hate so that everyone can be like you go around hating. The one that falls apart behind close door is you.
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Hamburger, 16 Dec 2021The first link shows cpu mark 5980HX having just 128 points... moreI conclude, notebooks with the HX -paired- with a rtx 3080 mobile are better, for tasks outside the video encoding world. If we only look at the cpu bench, they seem to be on par, depending on what's more important for your use case (single or multicore tasks). BUT: you can find the HX on way less expensive notebooks than the m1 max.
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Hamburger, 16 Dec 2021The first link shows cpu mark 5980HX having just 128 points... moreMy point is, that apple shouldn't be glorified. It's not the fastest notebook (as shill reviews or marketing wants you to make believe), nor has it the best price to performance ratio if we take more tasks than just video encoding into account. They made a nice, sleek and capable, portable videoedit machine, thanks to their dedicated hardware encoders/media engine, for some video codecs. The display and fast ssd suits image editing and lightroom exports nicely too. But then, that's it. For other tasks, like graphic rendering, it even falls below rtx3060 mobile level, even if it was native, as the linus techtips video shows. And then, the temps were getting quite high too, i wouldn't want to expose my ram/ssd/cpu to such high temps daily, if i used it for that purpose.. If it fails you can basically throw it away. While on a win notebook: If your image exports are limited by ssd for example, just throw in a faster m2 ssd.
If we take versatility into account, i'm just not that convinced, that it's really worth its money... Even more so, as there are still a lot of applications not ported to ARM cpu or Metal api. See, that's one more point why i don't like how apple opperates: why did they ditch the openGL support in favor of their own soup (metal). Why not just support both? That's what i love about the windows environment, you can throw basically all at it, more api or driver support than on any other platform.
Regarding your point: yeah the m1 max notebook might be better than win notebooks 1/2 the price, hopefully so, but not better than win notebooks at the same pricepoint. For gaming, i would even say it is on the level of 1/2 as expensive win notebooks. Apart of that, it's rather somewhere in between. For people who do video edit on the go, it might be worth it's money, also regarding the battery. But if we take versatility into account, it's clearly no solution for everybody and doesn't deserve so much praise. As usual for apple products. Much hype, but if you take a look behind it's doors, that falls apart.
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AnonF-1006353, 16 Dec 2021https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-9-5980HX-vs-... moreThe first link shows cpu mark 5980HX having just 128 points better than the M1 Max and in single thread performance, the Max is 475 points better than the HX. Only 2 numbers there and at most, they are on par in performance, and yet you conclude HX is better? Base on what??
So the Max runs 3D mark at 120fps and RTX3080 runs at 180fps. Didn't I already mentioned the Max is on par with the 3080 Max-Q ver much earlier in the discussion? And for that better performance, 3D mark says the gpu alone sucks 115W. Now combine that with the 45W HX cpu, you get 160W total for a laptop. Battery life?
The link I posted in much earlier post noted the Max has graphics performance of 10.4TFLOPs and the RTX3080 can go all the way up to 18TFLOPs.
Read through the posts again. The argument was for better performance, you can buy a laptop for half or 1/3 the price of the 64GB Max. I also posted links of laptops with better performance than the mac, but they are equally expensive if not more expensive. I never said there's no laptop with better performance, I did say for that type of performance the price range is on the high side like the mac.
What's your point again?
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- 16 Dec 2021
Hamburger, 16 Dec 2021You talk too much Show us your credible source?
Or is i... morehttps://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-9-5980HX-vs-Apple-M1-Max-10-Core-3200-MHz/4602vs4585
As you can see, there are far more native benchmarks and applications available for comparison. You shouldn't develop a benchmark towards a certain cpu like geekbench does... (which was created from and for an apple community)
Then there is 3d mark wild life extreme, which also already runs native on the m1. Still way lower fps 120 vs the RTX3080 mobile with 180. Watch the detail score fps here:
https://www.3dmark.com/wl/65824
The 120 fps result on the m1 max is on the anandtech review: https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/6
Now guess why they didn't include the win notebooks there...
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AnonF-1006353, 15 Dec 2021Hahah, a "credible source" which compares the m1 ... moreYou talk too much Show us your credible source?
Or is it going to be "search for it yourself" same BS you've been spewing all the time?
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- 16 Dec 2021
AnonF-1006353, 15 Dec 2021Hahah, a "credible source" which compares the m1 ... moreIf Tomshardware and Anandtech are not credible source, that what is? You and Hemedans hate & BS are the "golden truths"?
Hahahahahaha..... such super low intellect comment!!!
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AnonF-1006353, 15 Dec 2021Hahah, a "credible source" which compares the m1 ... moreYou're high on illegal substance again.
Has it occurred to you that currently there's only 11900H cpu available? The 12900H is still not for sale yet. What a useless clown comment again!!!
There are benchmarks that run C20 & C23, but the mac is on Rosetta for that test. Obviously you didn't watch the video Hemedans sent. LinusTips video even make the mac looks really bad by using Dolphin emulator that has no Metal support, only OpenGL/CL/Vulcan and we know mac no longer use those for many years already. For the record, the mac OpenGL is stopped at ver 3.3, current ver is 4.6, and OpenCL for mac stopped at ver 1.2, and the current ver is 3.0. There's no Vulcan from the start for mac.
The ones disillusioned are you and Hemedans. Running in circles shouting hurray when the mac is crippled badly to run poorly on tests. You disillusioned people thinking the right way for mac users, are to run apps in emulation modes w/o Metal support, just becos you guys hate mac and the world must follow your lead going around hating.
Honestly, your comments on M1 favoured tests just to make it look good is very flawed. Why would anyone wants run software that's poorly optimised or even on emulator? Everyone wants to run software as best as they can on any system, any platform, any OS. So you definitely want to run Handbrake or Premiere Pro or Affinity on native M1 codes and not on emulation. Much like you want to run x86 software natively that's optimised for OpenGL, OpenCL, Vulcan or DirectX12. So what's the difference running optimised apps on Metal vs optimised apps on OpenCL/GL?
You guys seriously need a re-education. Stop spreading BS and fake news just becos of your blindness and hate for things you don't like.
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- 15 Dec 2021
Hamburger, 15 Dec 2021You and Hemedans should just go for your rehabs.
After t... moreHahah, a "credible source" which compares the m1 max flagship notebook to previous gen Intel i7-11800H, 16GB single channel RAM, RTX3060, slow-ass SSD equipped, clearly non-flagship win notebooks... Or the i7-11370H surface.. Very credible yes, and they only showed the same lame benchmarks where the m1 excells, no comparison graph for cinebench r23... No passmark results.. Didn't you get the pattern by now? It's just another paid review which doesn't show people the full picture. They even put "(our testing showed some differences on the brightness claims)" in brackets, as it reached only half of the advertised brightness. Even if it's till very good brightness levels (while being worse in the color gamut comparison), why talk about the advertised brightness and put the measured facts in brackets - it should be the other way around!
At this point you are just delusional and can't gasp the idea that your favourite computer brand only reached it's fame through very questionable, aggressive marketing (including paid reviews that skew the picture) since day 0.
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- 15 Dec 2021
AnonF-1006353, 14 Dec 2021You keep repeating this old anandtech shill review. They di... moreYou and Hemedans should just go for your rehabs.
After that with a clear mind, go for re-education.
You would rather people listen to you guys spewing BS than to read up from credible sources?
Here's another review from credible source that's just in: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/macbook-pro-16-inch-2021
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- 14 Dec 2021
Hamburger, 09 Dec 2021The 16" MBP has a turbo boost exclusive, not found on ... moreYou keep repeating this old anandtech shill review. They didnt even include a combination of rtx 3080 mobile and 5900hx. And they mostly use benchmarks in favour of apple. Why did they left out the Win notebooks at the 3d mark wild life test?