Xiaomi 13 Ultra will have a “67 mm adapter” accessory

14 April 2023
It looks like a sophisticated protective case.

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Anonymous, 15 Apr 2023Problem with majority of phones is the fact most of them ca... moreMany phones can do in manual up to 1/12000

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    Anonymous, 15 Apr 2023https://www.tomsguide.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s23-ultra-rum... moreMan european price was from 1400 Vendor dependable so usualy higher.
    https://www.gsmarena.com/here_is_the_samsung_galaxy_s23_series_pricing_breakdown-news-57410.php

    And even now its super costly,
    In my country S23 ultra is from 1089 euros up to 2100 vendor and ram and disk space configuration dependable.

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      • 16 Apr 2023

      Nick Tegrataker, 16 Apr 2023"Even some samsung phones had night mode before. Took ... more>Multi-frame NR had been a thing for a long time but nobody combined it with long shutter speed and exposure bracketing to even out the lighting in the scene.
      I've been in the middle of the discussion when this was a thing but I wasn't able to follow it till the end, so I didn't get the conclusion. So which model was the first with the function you mentioned, and how do you define "long shutter speed"? Source?

      >produced utterly atrocious results
      I don't have a stake in fake bokeh but I don't consider any of the early solutions acceptable, they're all atrocious. DoF cameras didn't really make a difference until recently. IIRC Apple(XS?) came up with the first actually usable fake bokeh in that there was at least a preliminary blur map applied to the subject itself, so that it would not stand out looking like a cutout. The solution wasn't perfect either.

      >nobody is stopping you from using an UWA lens to do so
      It's a bad trend. It leaves you with messy compositions and small sensors. Before somebody came up with the "brilliant" idea of making the UWA the macro, the main camera had macro. UWAs are intrinsically difficult to use because of their dramatic perspective but now people are forced to use that in all closeups, I suppose amateurs don't care. I thought the reason it propagated in the phone realm was because UWA macros are cheaper to produce since their focus requires less movement. But *proper* macros were 90-100mm, you should know.

      >Huawei's periscope lens had a fixed focal length but featured higher magnifications and
      Yes they had their own advantages but speaking about their ads they still lied that they came first, as they so often do. They were years late, better results should be expected.

      >It's much harder to design a distortion-free UWA lens for a dedicated camera from a cost standpoint
      That really depends on the specific size restraints and FoV.

      >A free-form lens is an actual tech that allows you to have very minimal distortion by combining multiple elements with an extremely complex surface design
      It had better have a proper definition because from the looks of it S6's main camera already had a freeform lens, more than one element was "W" shaped. The patent schematic was brought up to bring home the point how tiny radical aspherics can be easily molded so phone lenses are actually far higher performing than ILC camera lenses in terms of lp/mm resolved. The advantage of ILCs is that the sensor advantage and other functions outweigh the disadvantage in tech, and that adding elements still help since there isn't much of a size restraint.
      Speaking of which, they should put their lens schematic in their promotion material to show exactly how their lenses are "freeform" compared to other lenses.

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        • 16 Apr 2023

        I'm expecting that grip to have a battery inside it...or is this a cosplay item?

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          on others site there are already image comparison between 13u vs other model..and oversharpening phone looks crap with to much zooming 🤣.

            Anonymous, 15 Apr 2023Even some samsung phones had night mode before. Took few se... more"Even some samsung phones had night mode before. Took few seconds and was not blurry, which means it was not single frame"

            This is why I specifically said "handheld long-exposure HDR mode" - Multi-frame NR had been a thing for a long time but nobody combined it with long shutter speed and exposure bracketing to even out the lighting in the scene. Similarly, phones have had HDR stacking for a while, but they were not meant to be used in low light. Huawei's idea to combine them all together to produce better looking low light photos was conceptually new and this is why every other manufacturer including Apple, Samsung, Google and BBK is still following it.

            "xperia cam lets you adjust amount of blur"
            Ah yes, the one that produced the bokeh effect from a single photo, took several seconds to save the final image without any embedded depth map (which means you couldn't change the blur strength afterwards) and produced utterly atrocious results with a reduced resolution. Also IIRC, you couldn't change the shape of the bokeh in the earlier versions of the Background Defocus app.

            Macro and close-up photography are simply about producing photographs of small items larger than life size (The definition varies depending on who you ask) - Narrower field of view is ideal for these kinds of photography but nobody is stopping you from using an UWA lens to do so.

            Huawei's periscope lens had a fixed focal length but featured higher magnifications and always captured more light per FoV due to having a wider physical aperture. Zenfone's zoom was "optical" but sacrificed a ton of image quality to fit those mechanics into a phone's form factor. Asus never had a 125mm or 240mm equivalent periscope lens, for instance.

            "Pioneer in cropping photos and claim lens had zero distortion and corner softness something not even those $12.000 lenses are not safe from"

            After all these years, you're STILL getting it wrong. It's much harder to design a distortion-free UWA lens for a dedicated camera from a cost standpoint. A free-form lens is an actual tech that allows you to have very minimal distortion by combining multiple elements with an extremely complex surface design, which would be prohibitively expensive to achieve on large glass lenses, not to mention this kind of optical design would most likely sacrifice the quality of the bokeh (e.g. Onion rings, not looking round etc). It's not cropping any part of the image, stop spreading BS already ffs.

            There are several phones that use Quad Bayer for real-time HDR (Asus' Snapdragon Insiders phone comes to my mind), and the extra resolution is useful when performing crop zoom since up to 2x you won't be losing out too much resolution as long as the processing is competent enough.

            "Minimum difference considering size must be at least 50% more"
            Fun fact: A7IV's full-frame sensor "only" has 1.3 EV higher DR than a6600's APS-C sensor, despite having double the sensor area. I really don't think you know how this is supposed to work.

              You Are Delusional, 15 Apr 2023I agree with you. It's pure imagination what our frien... moreBro I have never said vivo and Huawei are trash
              Pls mind ur words

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                Anonymous, 15 Apr 2023https://9to5google.com/2023/02/27/miui-14-devices/ Why a... moreI'm not the author of these reports so how would I know? Ask xda!
                If your response is a rhetorical question then this link below is another site as referred to in my original comment of "Search provides a few insights with similar info"
                https://www.androidupdatetracker.com/p/xiaomi-12-pro...try and do some research before commenting as such.

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                  Nick Tegrataker, 15 Apr 2023Hmm.. Who was the first manufacturer to use a large Quad Ba... moreEven some samsung phones had night mode before. Took few seconds and was not blurry, which means it was not single frame ..

                  Sub-cam app Background defocus with xperia cam lets you adjust amount of blur and even if you want the effect vertical, horizontal and radial ( like one from vivo). Asus had optical zoom, huawei had fixed. Inferior tech that used lame 1/4" ..

                  Macro cam that DOES NOT DO macro? Background blur when camera is close to subject is not macro photography.

                  My mistake, Huawei was first do do some stuff ...

                  Pioneer in taking fake moon photos , that come from database.
                  Pioneer in using Nikon to take photos and pretend they were front cam did it.
                  Pioneer in cropping photos and claim lens had zero distortion and corner softness something not even those $12.000 lenses are not safe from.

                  Quadbayer is useless if real time HDR is not used.
                  None so far has taken advantage of this.
                  Frame stacking is proof nobody is using, otherwise single frame would handle exposure by making each 2 pixel work at different EV compared to the other pair.

                  Quadbayer is popular because it is cheaper. Even more if 2x2OCL.
                  Much easier to cover 4 at once with same filter and 1 microlens than doing 1 by 1.

                  The quadbayer 2x2OCL Imx789 (1/1.36") has 11 of DR .. The way smaller bayer imx555/557/703 has 10. Minimum difference considering size must be at least 50% more.
                  These values is maximum hardware could reach in theory , something no camera would ever reach.

                  A prototype of 1iv had 789/766/589. That's how I know what these can do.

                    While being able to use ND/polarising/close-up/colour etc. filters on a smartphone is certainly nice (albeit very niche), I'm just going to say that the grip looks unergonomic and I have a feeling that you would have a hard time holding onto that sloped bulk.

                      Anonymous, 15 Apr 2023What huawei has done? Periscope was used years befor (A... moreHmm.. Who was the first manufacturer to use a large Quad Bayer sensor as a primary camera? Who introduced the variable software-based background blur, a.k.a "Portrait mode"? Who started the whole handheld long-exposure HDR mode (or the modern "Night Mode") trend? Who implemented a telephoto lens longer than 2x for the first time, as well as a fixed focal length periscope lens for even longer reach? A UWA with a macro capability? That's right, Huawei.

                      Nowadays these features are so common on smartphone cameras that you seem to have forgotten who introduced them first, but be honest with yourself and give them credit where it's due.

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                        YUKI93, 15 Apr 2023In general, camera filters help to reduce overblown highlig... moreProblem with majority of phones is the fact most of them can use shutter beyond 1/8000s , but this works only for automatic mode.
                        Manual usually restricted to 1/4000 or 1/6000s.

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                          derrr, 15 Apr 2023So what is this link and report on xda https://www.xda-dev... morehttps://9to5google.com/2023/02/27/miui-14-devices/

                          Why article from february 2023 has list of devices xiaomi plans to update to android13/miui14 including 12 pro?

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                            Stupid , 15 Apr 2023IMHO, Chinese phones continue to innovate but US phones con... moreWhat huawei has done?

                            Periscope was used years befor (Asus) ..With zoom lens, something huawei still has not had.
                            Huawei still lacks sensor as large as Nikoa 808 from 2012.
                            RYYB CFA is awful choice with bizarre colours. Should have used WRGB instead.

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                              blue, 15 Apr 2023I don't know, why do you lie. But you keep doing that ... moreLOL. Seems like his only job..

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                                Oppo said, "Camera technology has improved surprisingly." I'm curious about Xiaomi

                                  After buying a separate grip for my current phone, I realised how bulky it is since it sticks out a bit. Maybe this accessory will have much better handling. Plus, it's a first party accessory. Pretty cool. Can't wait.

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                                    Camera-phone!!!

                                      Anonymous, 15 Apr 2023I mean what difference does it make to photosIn general, camera filters help to reduce overblown highlights and exposures without using excessive ISO or shutter speed count. You can watch Juan Bagnell's video about the downside of having a 1" camera sensor on smartphones*.

                                      *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXR5NM9eqqI

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                                        GregLu, 15 Apr 2023I enjoy smartphone since Symbian S60, frankly how this tren... moreIMHO, Chinese phones continue to innovate but US phones continue to maximize profit. I doubt US phones unable to spend more $ on innovation on Camera & give us the best in hardware. With so much resources, they can beat Chinese phones easily.

                                        What I see now is different brands of Chinese phones compete with each other Chinese phones to give customers the best. Huawei is the pioneer in phone camera technology but has now left behind.

                                        Customers MUST support COMPETITION and NOT MONOPOLY.
                                        BUY WHAT IS THE BEST and KISS LOYALTY GOODBYE!

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