Dimensity 9300 to be 10% faster than Snapdragon 8 Gen 3

12 October 2023
The CPU configuration is reportedly 1x3.25 GHz Cortex-X4 & 3x2.85 GHz Cortex-X4 & 4x2.0 GHz Cortex-A720.

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Without A5XX Core, it's so insane, if no issue with this chipset, mediatek can lead the benchmark score and gaming consumer for a few times..

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    • 23 Oct 2023

    demon, 23 Oct 2023no its all about clock ..more core with underclocked core c... moreExactly what I was pointing out. And what is the point of this SoC, if those cores are true (last time they said that it will be A720 instead X4...)

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      • 23 Oct 2023

      senja, 14 Oct 2023Dude, do you understand that same cores that run in PC over... moreno its all about clock ..more core with underclocked core can run less heating but more perfomance but more efficient compare to high clock with fewer core..higher clock gives more heat lead to throttle and bad perfomance

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        • 17 Oct 2023

        Seriously, are you that stupid?🤦‍♂️

        The point is that this chip has those cores downclocked, not overclocked...

          senja, 15 Oct 2023Do you understand what I'm saying to you? Same cores a... more"On a PC" this is the magical word, if it's possible without draining the battery on two hours, why no one did it before?

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            • 15 Oct 2023

            OfficialTRider, 12 Oct 20234 X4 is nuts. From what I understand, the main X4 will repl... moreExactly this; this is probably the most interesting ARM-based SOC design in years.

            My bet, the underclocked X4 and A720 will be more efficient than the A720 and A520 at peak.

            The big bet will come from “Mediatek” as the biggest consequence is the additional die size from this wider design; as ARM usually optimizes for PPA. This design choice will eat in Mediatek’s profits, hardly they can sell their costlier chip for more than what Qualcomm charges.

            Finally, as I saw another comment here, what they need is a strong OEM partner. Without a flagship phone that will feature their SOC front and center, they will hardly be able to compete with Qualcomm.

              Kangal, 15 Oct 2023Damn, you're right, you taught me something new. And ... moreYeah i sure read all that. Good for you.

                The thing Mediatek need is a vendor that could take their chips seriously. By seriously I mean giving it whatever at disposal and dedicate all of engineering resources to make the phone the top flagship of the whole product line. AFAIK almost none of the smartphone vendors will do that since they make phones for a living, and using Mediatek chips means risk of losing the competition. OPPO's Find X6 Dimensity Edition doesn't have Mariana X, and Vivo's top flagship X90 Pro+ still uses Snapdragon, for example.
                Apple takes its A chips seriously for years. Huawei takes its Hisilicon seriously since K3. Google (despite their Tensor's horrible performance) also take its GXP and TPU seriously. Mediatek desperately need such a customer.
                I think Google is the only vendor that MAY BE such a customer, if there's any possibility.

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                  • 15 Oct 2023

                  SuperSpruce, 14 Oct 2023These aren't exactly low clocks... 3.25GHz X4 is up th... moreThat's one core. The other 3 are lower. And another 4 are lower than efficient cores in a comparable Snapdragon, and they are 4 vs 2...

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                    • 15 Oct 2023

                    ProG4merPlus, 14 Oct 2023Absolutely Clock speeds are important in heat generation, b... moreDo you understand what I'm saying to you? Same cores as in PC running in serves, efficiently, just downclocked...

                      Mediatek sux, 14 Oct 2023Just stop. "Qualcomm also disclosed that the CPU arch... moreDamn, you're right, you taught me something new.
                      And I taught you something new. Let's keep it at that.

                      Both Qualcomm and Samsung made huge mistakes by firing their chipset designers and departments. The original Mongoose M1 and even M2 were competitive. Qualcomm's design was superior for the 820/821 it just needed to be upscaled and developed further. They could have left the likes of stock/off-the-shelf designs for MediaTek and HiSilicon. Nvidia was never quite committed to ARM, and Texas Instruments looked promising early on but they cannot compete with the bigger firms. Apple has been coasting off their success for years, it's no surprise they have no competition.

                      Ideally I would've liked to see a big collaboration between Qualcomm and AMD. I'm thinking of a laptop that is snappy and has great battery life running Windows-ARM, and whenever it requires more performance, or x86 compatibility, it turns on a few very large Zen Cores. Such a hybrid setup can be designed fairly easily using AMDs Infinity Fabric technology.

                      (PS my initial comment was tongue in cheek as a copy of your old comment, I didn't mean disrespect)

                        Kangal, 14 Oct 2023It's not. I thought so too several years ago, but if ... moreYup you're good at tables. Good thing i didnt make a statement saying im sure of it.

                          Kangal, 14 Oct 2023That dude is dumb/ignorant. The Snapdragon 820 was Qualcomm... moreJust stop.
                          "Qualcomm also disclosed that the CPU architectures of both clusters are identical, but with differences in cache configuration"
                          https://www.anandtech.com/show/9778/qualcomm-snapdragon-820-experience-hmp-kryo-and-demos

                            Mediatek sux, 12 Oct 2023Amd and intel doesnt have to care too much about ultra low ... moreIt's not.
                            I thought so too several years ago, but if you dig deeper you will find out that Apple has no magic wand. Yes, their small cores are currently the world leaders and in the cutting edge of efficiency and performance. Their large cores are pretty darn good too. But the gulf of difference isn't as drastic as what you quoted.

                            Here is a graph:
                            https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16983/SPECfp-power.png

                            And here are some figures for you (fp / W = Eff):

                            Ice storm (A14-E): 2.54 / 0.42 = 6.05
                            Blizzard (A15-E): 3.03 / 0.52 = 5.83
                            Cortex-A55 (Dim 1200): 0.71 / 0.22 = 3.23
                            Cortex-A77 (QSD 865): 4.31 / 1.44 = 2.99
                            Cortex-A78 (Dim 1200): 3.80 / 1.33 = 2.86
                            Cortex-A55 (QSD 888): 0.85 / 0.30 = 2.83
                            Cortex-A78 (QSD 888): 4.58 / 1.80 = 2.54
                            Cortex-A76 (GS 101): 3.45 / 1.48 = 2.33
                            Avalanche (A15-P): 10.15 / 4.77 = 2.13
                            Cortex-A77 (QSD 870): 5.76 / 2.77 = 2.08
                            Firestorm (A14-P): 8.95 / 4.72 = 1.90
                            Cortex-A76 (Exy 990): 3.56 / 1.96 = 1.82
                            Cortex-X1 (QSD 888): 6.28 / 3.48 = 1.80
                            Cortex-A78 (Exy 2100): 5.25 / 3.24 = 1.62
                            Cortex-X1 (Exy 2100): 6.23 / 3.97 = 1.57
                            Mongoose v5 (Exy 990): 4.87 / 3.92 = 1.24

                              Juuhachi, 13 Oct 2023Currently E core is not powerful enough to use the same tas... moreThat dude is dumb/ignorant. The Snapdragon 820 was Qualcomm's introduction of their Kryo Family. It had 2x Cortex-A53 small cores which had light changes, just like we saw in the Snapdragon 835 which was still called Kryo. It was the big (actually medium) cores that were a new custom solution. It was based on the Cortex-A57 with heavy changes, not too different to how the Krait S4 was a big customisation of the Cortex-A9. All in all, the small cores were basically the same/a bit better than MediaTek and Exynos small cores in terms of efficiency. Yet their big cores beat every implementation of Cortex-A57 out there, but it was evenly matched against the new Cortex-A72 and Samsung's new Custom Cortex-A57 processor (M1) Mongoose.

                                senja, 14 Oct 2023They are heating because of higher clocks. With lower clock... moreThese aren't exactly low clocks... 3.25GHz X4 is up there with other chips' prime cores, and the middle and efficiency cores are clocked just as high as usual.

                                  senja, 14 Oct 2023Dude, do you understand that same cores that run in PC over... moreAbsolutely Clock speeds are important in heat generation, but also a big cores like the X series are so strong to put four of them in a mobile chip, as you said it's possible but in a PC with a huge space for heat dissipation, not on a mobile

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                                    • 14 Oct 2023

                                    SuperSpruce, 13 Oct 2023But why would they do this? Google's Tensor G1 and G2 ... moreThey are heating because of higher clocks. With lower clocks they will be just fine.

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                                      • 14 Oct 2023

                                      ProG4merPlus, 13 Oct 2023Guys this isn't possible in real life four Cortex X4 o... moreDude, do you understand that same cores that run in PC over 5 GHz were running in servers on lower clocks? Same thing with this. 3 of those x4 cores will be reasonably clocked, same as A720s that will act as efficient cores... It's all about clocks.

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                                        • 14 Oct 2023

                                        szk, 12 Oct 2023Every phone with 1(!) X3 core throttles in the stress test ... moreThat happens because that one is overclocked. But the other 3 will be clocked lower. Same as A720. There will be 4 of those clocked lower than 2 A520s in Snapdragon... I think there will not be too much difference in efficiency compared to Snapdragon.

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