Leaving the EU for too long will make you lose access to third party app stores in iOS

06 March 2024
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DaFink, 10 Mar 2024Dude, I think it’s pointless you and I conversing on this. ... moreIf you said "security" you would have a point.
As in, you want the iEcosystem (iWatch, iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTV) to all be closed down, and only accessible through The Apple Store. There is SOME argument to be made there, as to oppose Sideloading Software.

But your other assertions don't quiet hold water. I am with you, for not giving the government certain privileges like Capital Punishment. But that is an exaggerated point compared to what we are discussing here. As a side note, most things that we deem GOOD are basically human constructs, and not natural. Nature is cruel. There are many examples where deviating from nature is the right decision, which comes to the point about making regulations and enforcing them. That is to say, if you take the stance that "market forces" are the natural happenstance, and we should align with nature. Humans agreeing to live different to nature is how we managed to move away from barbaric times to our modern civilization. Some food for thought.

    [deleted post]Dude, I think it’s pointless you and I conversing on this. Until I agree to see things in a way you find acceptable you are going to continue to paint me as some kind of imbecile. A tactic I think you are used to using unfortunately.

    I think the EU has over stepped on this, you think otherwise. It’s possible one of us is right one of us is wrong, or maybe a little of both, but we sure aren’t going to agree.

      DaFink, 09 Mar 2024And we are right back to me not understanding anything simp... more"understanding anything simply because I have a different a opinion."
      Nah! Not merely because you have a different opinion, that's you being simplistic. It's because your take clearly says that you really don't understand anything. I mean, you kept saying market forces this, market share that, yet when you were given a very coherent argument as to why that doesn't fly, even with the apt example that is 3.5mm jack, your brain couldn't wrap around it, which led you to ask "and what has the 3.5mm got to do with it, the industry chose to follow suit on that one, they didn’t have to, but they chose to." But, that's exactly what I said that the industry would do and that a stitch in time saves nine.

      And this isn't really about the industry, it's about the users. The users! DMA seeks to promote FAIR competition, and the consumers are the biggest winners in a competitive industry.

      I'm probably wasting my time, though, because the chances of you grasping all this, considering your previous takes, is abject.

        Cyberchum, 09 Mar 2024"Most of you […] don’t use iPhones anyway." So... moreAnd we are right back to me not understanding anything simply because I have a different a
        opinion. No, I get grief because of arrogance such as what you are displaying right now. I never said some degree of oversight isn’t advisable. But it can be taken too far, and government can over reach into matters better left to market forces.

        I’m not asking you to agree, time will tell whether my concerns are valid or not. This bs about me not understanding for no other reason than my different opinion though, yeah that says more about your simplistic thinking than mine.

        And what has the 3.5mm got to do with it, the industry chose to follow suit on that one, they didn’t have to, but they chose to……

          Cyberchum, 09 Mar 2024For better or worse, Apple has a lot of way in the industry... moreSeriously, what are you babbling on about?

            DaFink, 08 Mar 2024No, for the last bloody time I am not an Apple shareholder.... more"Most of you […] don’t use iPhones anyway."

            Sorry, but one need not be into drůgs to talk about drůgs, duh! And about giving you grief; your meh logic is what is giving you grief. Maybe try upping your logic, because it's very silly to think that government shouldn't protect users' right. It's just like attacking the right to repair regulation—when it's actually a nice regulation—simply because it's government doing the regulating. Do you really expect manufacturers to have the users' best interest at heart?

            Talmabout market pressure and market share as if you understand anything. If all manufacturers with appealing products deny you the right to repair, where will the so-called market pressure come from? How will their market share tank considering that users virtually have no good option left (case in point, 3.5mm jack removal)?

              DaFink, 09 Mar 2024Apple were not the first to remove the headphone jack, but ... moreFor better or worse, Apple has a lot of way in the industry. The most sway, actually.

              But I didn't even say that it's Apple's fault. You've done everything but answer the questions asked in that comment:
              "it would imply that approach is a successful one" for you? The manufacturer or consumers?

              Now, what choice does consumers have, especially at the flagship level where the only way is TWS?

              I bet it's difficult for you to. Lol

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                DaFink, 08 Mar 2024No, for the last bloody time I am not an Apple shareholder.... moreGovernment's policies that support consumers are good. Actually, that's the point of good government. Governments are supposed to improve quality of life of their peoples. There must be a balance, though. Policies that will likely put companies out of business shouldn't be implemented even if they are good for consumers. This isn't the case at all.

                  Cyberchum, 08 Mar 2024"it would imply that approach is a successful one"... moreApple were not the first to remove the headphone jack, but yes they were the company the rest of the market chose to follow in that regard. Key word there ‘chose’ as in they didn’t have to follow suit but they did, that isn’t Apples fault.

                    Anonymous, 08 Mar 2024Your logic is weird. So you're saying that you'll... moreNo, for the last bloody time I am not an Apple shareholder. What I am is somebody who doesn’t agree with government intervention at this level. Not sure why this bothers you all so much.

                    Had Apple chosen to implement all these changes as a result of market pressure, then I’d be all for it. I am less receptive of goverment level extortion to achieve said results, you want to disagree go right ahead.

                    Most of you given me grief over this likely don’t use iPhones anyway, and still likely won’t even after the EU’s is done transforming iOS into just another Android skin anyway 🤷

                    Oh and I don’t agree with everything Apple does, it’s just I only ever seem to hear from you when you think I am agreeing with them…..

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                      Anonymous, 08 Mar 2024Your logic is weird. So you're saying that you'll... moreNo they are not a shareholder, I already asked that question earlier on this page.

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                        DaFink, 07 Mar 2024I didn't say I was against sideloading, Im sceptical o... moreYour logic is weird. So you're saying that you'll support Apple's actions whose goal is to make more money? Are you an Apple shareholder? If you are, then it's understandable that you want Apple to have more money because you want money. But if you aren't, I don't understand your mentality. By the way, even if you're a shareholder of a company, you don't need to support everything it does, especially if what it does isn't good for consumers.

                          Cyberchum, 08 Mar 2024That's ludicrous, the logic. It's like saying tha... morePeople who *have

                            DaFink, 07 Mar 2024I didn't say I was against sideloading, Im sceptical o... moreThat's ludicrous, the logic. It's like saying that you'd only be okay if 3.5mm jack makes a comeback on flagship and midrange phones only if sales of such phones go down. How would it go down when virtually no manufacturer has it on offer? What, then, do people use?

                            People who has a strong preference for iOS wouldn't leave because of inability to sideload (but might sideload if they could which we've seen with users of jailbroken iPhones in the past), so how would the marketshare tank to prompt that reaction from Apple?

                            You don't seem to have any good reason for hating on this DMA. Reserve your criticism for those times government makes bad regulations, because this is clearly not such time.

                              Kangal, 07 Mar 2024You can't advocate for choice, if you are against Side... moreExactly this!

                                DaFink, 07 Mar 2024If all the alternative’s decide to copy Apple’s model so be... more"it would imply that approach is a successful one" for you? The manufacturer or consumers? I'm very sure that ridding phones of 3.5mm jack isn't a consumer-centric approach. And yes, it's a move Apple greatly influenced. Now, what choice does consumers have, especially at the flagship level where the only way is TWS?

                                EU is by no means making Apple same as other manufacturers. It's not even possible. EU's DMA mainly saying: play fair! I'm shocked (not really) that a consumer is against it.

                                  Anonymous, 07 Mar 2024Come on. Just buy a good android phone.That’s too simple. 85% of the commentators use an Android. Doesn’t affect them at all. They just like to see Apple squirm because someone made them feel like inferior because of the phone they use.

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                                    • 08 Mar 2024

                                    This is an Apple user problem. We don't want to knowm

                                    Life is simple. Just use OneUI (Samsung), secure, long software support and has 3rd party App store.

                                      Kangal, 07 Mar 2024You can't advocate for choice, if you are against Side... moreI didn't say I was against sideloading, Im sceptical of big government intervention where I don't think it needs to be. Had Apple naturally brought in side loading as a response to decreasing market share I would be all for it.

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                                        • 07 Mar 2024

                                        Come on. Just buy a good android phone.

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