Qualcomm officially announces Snapdragon X Plus platform for laptops

24 April 2024
This ARM-based chip will enable true Windows-running competitors to Apple's laptops powered by its own M series chips.

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Vegetaholic, 28 Apr 2024End of X86 era in mobile devices is coming upon us. Windows... moreAs win 8 arm was to eradicate x86 already more than ten years ago.
It's all snake oil... Many win libs DLL drivers are x86 and will never ever be ported ( compatibility issue mostly, or ms has lost source code haha)
Also x86 is not really cisc as arm is not really RISC anymore. Those things doesn't make much sense nowadays but it's people's beliefs.

    End of X86 era in mobile devices is coming upon us. Windows 12 will be designed around Arm from the box.

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      Anonymous, 25 Apr 2024Sounds like a competitor to the fruit company's M3 Pro.At quarter of the price. Last and also least can’t remember when anyone who paid least 3 time extra got flavour by investor or banker or other intelligent ones. So lots of looser at COD, literally.

        Anonymous, 25 Apr 2024For mobile, even Intel is moving away from non-replaceable ... moreram stacked in soc?? poco x3 pro moment

          James Nana, 25 Apr 2024There have been allegations regarding Qualcomm’s benchmark ... moreThat's most likely because

          According to Qualcomm, the 23W version of SDXElite has a base frequency of 3.4GHz and goes up to 4.0GHz in boost mode. The 80W version starts at 3.8GHz and goes up to 4.3GHz.

          More specifically:

          https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/01/16/debian-12-and-linux-upstreaming-for-the-qualcomm-snapdragon-x-elite-soc/
          Date: Jan 16/2024.

          https://www.cnx-software.com/2023/10/31/qualcomm-snapdragon-x-elite-soc-benchmarks-in-windows-and-linux/
          Date: Oct 31/2023

          https://www.linaro.org/blog/qualcomm-and-linaro-enable-latest-flagship-snapdragon-compute-soc/
          JAN.4.2024

          Quote: For many years the Qualcomm Landing Team at Linaro has joined forces with Qualcomm to help deliver launch-day support for new SoCs. This past year we have been developing a kernel that supports the recently-announced Snapdragon X Elite. In previous years we have been able to provide basic boot-to-shell support on launch day. At the X Elite launch, not only did we have these features ready to roll but we already had full Debian desktop working, complete with display, GPU and WiFi.

          The collaboration between Qualcomm and Linaro engineers, harnessed together, has pushed the boundaries of initial upstream support beyond just basic boot-to-shell. The patches will be driven all the way into the mainline in the coming months. In the meantime, a public tree based on the most recent linux-next is available. This builds upon the years-long efforts of Linaro engineers making upstream bring-up easier for each new Qualcomm platform.

          When announced, the X1E80100 demonstrated very impressive benchmark results. The single- and multi-core results were captured using systems running the kernel and Debian images provided by the team.
          Upstreaming strategy

          The upstreaming effort was split into two main parts since the development was done jointly by the collaboration between Qualcomm and Linaro engineers. First, an initial series that supports boot-to-shell was posted for review right after announcement, making its way into mainline already; other patchsets for the rest of the supported features are already under review. Posting the patches in two parts was also done because the platform was launched near the end of the Linux development cycle (v6.6-rc7).

          The first series includes the following features:

          Qualcomm® Oryon™ CPUs
          Clocks, interconnects, regulators, power domains and pinctrl providers
          Low-Speed I/O: I2C, SPI, UART
          Compute Reference Device (CRD) board support, with coverage of all the drivers above
          Qualcomm Compute Platform (QCP) board support, also covering the drivers above

          At the time of writing, the interconnects, pinctrl and power domains have already been merged.

          Patches for the remaining features are already under review; they include support for:

          CPUFreq support
          High-Speed peripherals: PCIe Gen3 and Gen4, USB SuperSpeed
          Embedded DisplayPort support
          GPU support
          Qualcomm® Hexagon™ Processor SubSystem (Audio)
          More Compute Reference Design (CRD) specific support (trackpad, touchscreen, keyboard, battery management, NVMe and WLAN)

            Anonymous, 25 Apr 2024Not to mention even those results, X Elite, supposedly the ... moreGet your facts corrected:
            https://beebom.com/snapdragon-x-elite-vs-apple-m3/
            According to Qualcomm, the 23W version of SDXElite has a base frequency of 3.4GHz and goes up to 4.0GHz in boost mode. The 80W version starts at 3.8GHz and goes up to 4.3GHz.

            https://beebom.com/snapdragon-x-elite-benchmark-geekbench-scores/

            https://beebom.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-x-elite-windows-games-just-work/
            Quote: In comparison, the 16-core Neural Engine on the Apple M3 chipset can only perform up to 18 TOPS. It’s quite puzzling that Apple’s A17 Pro, a mobile chipset with 16 Neural Engine cores can perform 35 TOPS, but Apple’s latest M-series processors are limited to just 18 TOPS.

            However, with the M3 family, you get an option of 128GB Unified memory to load large language models whereas you can only run models up to 64GB on X Elite. Simply put, in terms of on-device AI capability, the Snapdragon X Elite seems more capable than the Apple M3.

            https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/early-snapdragon-x-elite-benchmark-shows-arm-cpu-is-faster-than-amds-top-end-mobile-apu

            According to Qualcomm, the 23W version of SDXElite has a base frequency of 3.4GHz and goes up to 4.0GHz in boost mode. The 80W version starts at 3.8GHz and goes up to 4.3GHz.

              Anonymous, 25 Apr 2024Nothing about running x86 software and games... This is ... moreAre you certain of that?

              https://beebom.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-x-elite-windows-games-just-work/
              Quote: Qualcomm recently said that Windows games will work just fine on Snapdragon X Elite due to improved emulation, but will have to test it out before giving a final judgment.

              I seriously doubt the Snapdragon X Plus will not be able to play non-AAA games via emulation or with partial porting or full porting.

                H0TSpIDeR, 25 Apr 2024We all know that the hardware is good but it rests on the s... more... hmmm.

                https://beebom.com/snapdragon-x-elite-vs-apple-m3/
                Quote: In comparison, the 16-core Neural Engine on the Apple M3 chipset can only perform up to 18 TOPS. It’s quite puzzling that Apple’s A17 Pro, a mobile chipset with 16 Neural Engine cores can perform 35 TOPS, but Apple’s latest M-series processors are limited to just 18 TOPS.

                However, with the M3 family, you get an option of 128GB Unified memory to load large language models whereas you can only run models up to 64GB on X Elite. Simply put, in terms of on-device AI capability, the Snapdragon X Elite seems more capable than the Apple M3.

                https://beebom.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-x-elite-windows-games-just-work/
                Quote: Qualcomm recently said that Windows games will work just fine on Snapdragon X Elite due to improved emulation, but will have to test it out before giving a final judgment.

                https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/early-snapdragon-x-elite-benchmark-shows-arm-cpu-is-faster-than-amds-top-end-mobile-apu

                QUOTE: We have not seen leaked benchmarks of the top-tier variant, Snapdragon X Elite (X1E-84-100) running on a consumer laptop so far.
                According to Qualcomm, the 23W version of SDXElite has a base frequency of 3.4GHz and goes up to 4.0GHz in boost mode. The 80W version starts at 3.8GHz and goes up to 4.3GHz.

                  InamulBhuyan, 25 Apr 2024you mean geekbench 6 fake you mean cinbench 2024 score fake... moreRight.

                  Fake? No ... that's just conjecture and pure false imagination, or people in the business application use case not believing performance.

                  https://browser.geekbench.com/search?q=Snapdragon+X+Elite
                  https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/early-snapdragon-x-elite-benchmark-shows-arm-cpu-is-faster-than-amds-top-end-mobile-apu
                  https://beebom.com/snapdragon-x-elite-benchmark-geekbench-scores/
                  https://beebom.com/snapdragon-x-elite-vs-apple-m3/


                    James Nana, 25 Apr 2024There have been allegations regarding Qualcomm’s benchmark ... moreCough-BS-cough.
                    You mean your allegations?

                    Lookie here bub:

                    https://browser.geekbench.com/search?q=Snapdragon+X+Elite

                    Talk less produce more!

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                      MasEnha, 25 Apr 2024The RAM is LPDDR5X so we can assume its soldered in the boa... moreFor mobile, even Intel is moving away from non-replaceable memory. Lunar Lake is embedding the memory directly on the SoC itself.

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                        Sounds like a competitor to the fruit company's M3 Pro.

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                          Does any software even support the Qualcomm NPU? I've been unable to find any that supports the AMD NPU, and only a few tools utilize the Intel version.

                            you have to suffer, 25 Apr 2024ARM based laptops is a hard pass when it comes to x86 compa... moreThe SoC supporting PCIe lanes or NVMe. Depending on the OEM, the SSD may be made removable. One of the sample is Lenovo Thinkpad X13s which using SD 8cx have NVMe slot.

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                              Anonymous, 25 Apr 2024It's the PC/laptop upgradeable? RAM and SSD? If not, i... moreOfcourse not. It's all onchip. I wouldn't be surprised if the mainboard has the same size as a board from a phone. Just look at some o/t Mx-macbook air's mainboard. They're ridiculously small.

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                                since LLMs only work under Linux with nvidia cards, what does qcom offer? 64gb feels tight

                                  ARM based laptops is a hard pass when it comes to x86 compatibility. the only thing i have to concern that ARM based laptops will come with soldered SSD.
                                  i'm all fine with soldered RAM but SSD? too problematic. imagine if you store important data inside and they don't have the time to back them up.

                                    James Nana, 25 Apr 2024There have been allegations regarding Qualcomm’s benchmark ... moreFor me, I don't believe the claim until at least someone from the OEM give us the measured benchmark or Qualcomm made a clarification. Qualcomm + Arm + MS boasting it really big till Today; if the priduct is a flop then they will be laughing stock worldwide.

                                      Anonymous, 25 Apr 2024It's the PC/laptop upgradeable? RAM and SSD? If not, i... moreThe RAM is LPDDR5X so we can assume its soldered in the board. Meanwhile, the NVMe is supported so we should be able to upgrade. The final configuration is coming from each OEM. Do check on the spec sheet before buying.

                                        James Nana, 25 Apr 2024There have been allegations regarding Qualcomm’s benchmark ... moreTo be confirmed or not in the coming months, the difference seems too significant to me

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