Newly leaked Sony teaser says "next 1 is coming"

10 May 2024
The official launch event is taking place on May 15.

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Aierlan, 11 May 2024It's the LYT-T808 has the dual layer transistor pixel... more👍 good link

    jiyen235, 11 May 2024Okay so, the Oneplus 12 and Oneplus Open were compared by J... moreIt's the LYT-T808 has the dual layer transistor pixel structure. The LYT-808 on the Oneplus 12 doesn't. It's probably not as good as the 1 inch type sensor but the LYT-T808 is surely better than the LYT-808. The gsmarena team have certainly given it a great review in the OPPO find N3. They say, 'The main camera's results in the dark are truly excellent. Detail is great, while noise is minimal to non-existent.' It's really hard to compare though how big the difference actually is. For example there are reviews that also say there is minimal different between the main camera performance of the Oneplus 12 and Oppo find x7 ultra. I also saw a comparison between the Vivo x100 and Vivo x100 pro that showed very little difference in daylight or lowlight. Of course the larger sensor is better but the difference it makes doesn't seem to corelate with the gap in sensor size. Anyway, here is the explantion of the sensor tech from Sony. https://www.sony-semicon.com/en/technology/mobile/2-layer-pixel.html

      LucasN82, 11 May 2024Yes, 4K120 on one lens wihout HDR. 1V is more modern in thi... moreyeah that makes sense but that's a super niche scenario I'd say but understandable.

        jiyen235, 11 May 2024Apart from thickness, there's no other actual problem ... moreYes, 4K120 on one lens wihout HDR. 1V is more modern in this aspect (HLG on all lenses @120p) - and it is 4mm less in thickness. Im speaking from beggining about Video features, photos are on the second place for me 😊
        And. I can use 1V like monitor for alpha and power bank. NPFZ100 has only 2300mAh.

          [deleted post]F1.4? I hope it is true and lens is sharp at this aparture 😊
          Low light videos will look even better 🤯

            LucasN82, 11 May 2024I will tell you why (about 1inch sensor). Bigger sensor nee... moreApart from thickness, there's no other actual problem with using a bigger sensor for you it seems. Xiaomi's 14 Ultra can do 4k 120 fps as well with it's f/1.63 1 inch sensor.

            Again, if you have such problems with the thickness, then buy the 5 VI and as I said, if Sony put these specs in the 5 VI it'd be more appropriate and imo a game changer. You'd have had your thin flagship and anyone who wants more can get a thicker flagship in the form of 1 VI if it had a 1 incher.

              Nick Tegrataker, 11 May 2024To me, Huawei's detail rendition has always been on th... moreI say at the beginning that 1V telephoto is only good in short distance. In longer distance this lens is medicore and nothing special. But on short distance when you filming 4K120HLG it is amazing lens (insects). You can achive almost pro camera level details. This lens is sharpered but not in video mode.

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                Personally I want to see better picture quality than a 10y middle-range camera and no image processing

                  LucasN82, 11 May 2024Look, thats natural photo. It was shot by me on full frame ... moreTo me, Huawei's detail rendition has always been on the more natural side when they have Kirin SoC inside their phones - Relatively restrained sharpening (Not saying that they don't apply one, but it's not offensive at least). Again I'm NOT talking about their tonemapping since that's nothing to do with how naturally details are rendered. Xperia's telephoto photos are oversharpened and it's obvious even without zooming in, and it's pretty obvious that they are doing it to mask the subpar lens quality

                  I have a7IV with me and take a lot of photos (mainly events) with it, but Sony's in-camera JPEG processing, just like those of many other camera manufacturers, is far from the best - Machine-learning-based RAW processing such as DxO Photolab's DeepPRIME resolves significantly higher amount of details. Huawei's detail rendition is more akin to what my photos end up looking like after processing. What Xperia does to its telephoto photos, on the other hand, looks like standard alpha processing except the sharpening is dialled up to the max, and I'm not a fan of that look.

                    jiyen235, 11 May 2024Okay so, the Oneplus 12 and Oneplus Open were compared by J... moreI will tell you why (about 1inch sensor). Bigger sensor need to have more space (thickness) to achive the same aperture on the same focal lengh. If some manufactures want slimmer body, the can buy dual layer sensor (but I think price is higher). And I think bigger sensor take more power (electricity) - it is important when you rec 120fps
                    Xperia 1V with island have 9mm-10mm. Xiaomi 14U is 4mm more.

                      jiyen235, 11 May 2024Okay just wow, as I said before, HDR is the next step for s... moreIt is VideoPro with HLG mode but with AE correction in app menu (to minus - it gives contrast because HLG is some sort of flat profile). Correction lift up noise but not too much.
                      I own low light video in 120fps and it has some noise but it looks very good like for 120fps on smartphone

                        LucasN82, 11 May 2024That website says 1/1.4 LYT800 is premium sensor that rival... moreOkay so, the Oneplus 12 and Oneplus Open were compared by Juan Bagnell and at the same ISO and shutter speed the differences were minute. You can check it out on YT.

                        You fell for Sony's marketing and that goes to show how good their marketing really is.

                        I have a question for you, if LYT-800 is as good as 1 inch sensors, why make 1 inch sensors? And even if they do make the LYT-900, why not use it on their phones?

                          LucasN82, 11 May 2024Low Light 4K samples | Xperia 1V (from Kraków) YT app, s... moreOkay just wow, as I said before, HDR is the next step for smartphone imaging and only Apple has capitalized on it by making it default in videos. Xperia's HDR is good ESPECIALLY considering it's HLG, since HLG is completely backwards compatible to SDR so it'll look great on SDR displays as well.

                          But I think that's the problem, you see the HDR image looks nice and all but the highlights don't hold that much detail over an SDR image. I used my SDR pc monitor and my phone's HDR screens to compare, the difference is striking in terms of highlight luminance but not highlight detail retention in the video. Maybe it's due to either HLG being a conservative form of HDR due to having to make an SDR fallback layer OR Sony being conservative with their highlight retention/tonemapping. Either way it's good but not great and there's room to improve.

                          And that's where I think bigger sensors come in, I'm not too sure but afaik bigger sensors have a better dynamic range so I guess that'll mostly solve problems if Sony doesn't want to rely on processing.

                          Whatever the case, my dad's iPhone 13 Pro had HDR by default and I just wondered why his phone's videos popped so much especially at night. Then I saw the metadata. Sony's HDR implementation is good though, inoffensive and mostly realistic though leaves a little more to be desired which I think is either Sony's processing, the sensor size or HLG's bottleneck.

                          Nice cinematography btw, did you use Auto or Pro mode for this? The noise levels are quite low surprisingly or youtube's compression removed all the artifacts ig

                            jiyen235, 11 May 2024What phones have this tech? Would you consider the Oneplus ... moreThat website says 1/1.4 LYT800 is premium sensor that rivals 1inch sensors. Only those with dual layer are new in terms of architecture.
                            https://www.sony-semicon.com/en/info/2023/2023061501.html
                            That premium model is in 1V. I dont know but Oppo and Vivo has LYT800?

                              LucasN82, 11 May 2024Noise comparison should be done on the same ISO levels. Be... moreWhat phones have this tech? Would you consider the Oneplus Open to be one with this tech? Or only Sony's Xperia phones?

                                Nick Tegrataker, 11 May 2024All I have been saying is that one phone's lens is sha... moreLook, thats natural photo. It was shot by me on full frame 7SM3 12mpx camera and Zeiss lens
                                https://ibb.co/JrMrx3b

                                  Aierlan, 11 May 2024I think the ISO and shutter speed also depends on how the m... moreDon't use Huawei as a comparison. They use AI to make details up. At that point comparing Huawei with any other phone brand becomes difficult. Their photos have an artificial look to them. Besides, they have a 1/1.28" sensor WITH f/1.4 aperture. That's still big AND bright.

                                  Take Google's Pixel 8 Pro for example and how long it takes for the photo along with the ISO. I understand different manufacturers use different processing pipelines but the key takeaway is that better and larger sensors allow you to use higher ISOs with lower noise. Try it out, use ISO 1800 on your main cam in pro mode and ISO 1800 on your telephoto/UW cam in the pro mode.

                                    Nick Tegrataker, 11 May 2024All I have been saying is that one phone's lens is sha... moreNow my friend, you tryin say me that those pictures from Pura are good. Yes they got good resolution and sharpness but it looks like computer generated photo from game. For me (when I opened them on my good calibrated laptop screen) Xperia photo looks less detail but more natural.
                                    Personaly I own full frame 7SM3 (and tested almost all Alpha cameras) and I know how looks noiseless material, how looks sharpening on HLG (7sm3 owns several levels) etc etc
                                    I can show how looks Raw jpg from full frame 12mpx pro camera. I was in Italy last month and take some pictures (video was on nr1 place)

                                      LucasN82, 11 May 2024Ok mister non-agressive, Pura is the best camera in the wor... moreAll I have been saying is that one phone's lens is sharper than another phone that tries to mask its rather soft lens quality with aggressive sharpening - I don't understand why you seem to be taking sides and receiving everything personally, this isn't a contest of who can defend their favourite brand the best. All the hyperbole you're trying to put into my mouth doesn't help either, I strongly suggest you stop fabricating stuff I said if you want to keep this discussion remotely civil.

                                      I've already given you the physical aperture diameter of Xperia's periscope at the two different focal length settings - It's probably a good time for you to pick up a calculator and deduce it yourself instead of asking other people to do it for you.

                                        Nick Tegrataker, 11 May 2024You ignored pretty much all the points that I made and just... moreOk mister non-agressive, Pura is the best camera in the world, are you happy now? It doesnt sharpening, it is pure pixels, best in the world. PURA create real, the best natural nature look pictures in the world. Xperia is agressive sharpered, and pictures and video looks like VHS.
                                        Once again "And for 125mm F2.8 size is?"

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