Reuters: MediaTek is working on a Windows-on-ARM chip for Microsoft

12 June 2024
As are Nvidia and AMD. However, an exclusivity deal with Qualcomm means that we will have to wait to see these chips.

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I just hope that we will see smartphones with desktop Windows versions preinstalled someday... and Mediatek releasing Windows chips just might make this possible! I wish I had an UMPC, the closest thing is something like ROG Ally or similar, but they're optimized for gaming

    Sorry but I HIGHLY doubt NVidia needs ANY assistance from MediaTek on an ARM chip - other than fabrication.

    The Verge:
    https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/23/23929240/nvidia-amd-cpu-arm-pc-chips-2025-release-rumors

    Reuters (!): October 23, 20239:26 PM EDT
    https://www.reuters.com/technology/nvidia-make-arm-based-pc-chips-major-new-challenge-intel-2023-10-23/
    "Nvidia and AMD could sell PC chips as soon as 2025, one of the people familiar with the matter said. Nvidia and AMD would join Qualcomm (QCOM.O), opens new tab, which has been making Arm-based chips for laptops since 2016"

    “Microsoft learned from the 90s that they don’t want to be dependent on Intel again, they don’t want to be dependent on a single vendor,” said Jay Goldberg, chief executive of D2D Advisory, a finance and strategy consulting firm. “If Arm really took off in PC (chips), they were never going to let Qualcomm be the sole supplier.”

    AnandTech:
    URL: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/nv-re-enter-arm-pc-market-in-2025.2617659/


    ExtremeTech: By Josh Norem October 24, 2023
    https://www.extremetech.com/computing/nvidia-and-amd-to-make-arm-socs-for-windows-pcs

    "It sounds like, come 2025, Windows customers will have at least three CPU choices when they buy a Windows PC: Intel, AMD, or Nvidia. The most interesting of those three is Nvidia, as it currently makes ARM-based chips for some of its server and AI chips, which it calls the Grace Superchip. It has also been making Tegra mobile chips for years now as well. Nvidia also famously attempted to purchase ARM last year and then pulled out when it faced intense global scrutiny from regulators. AMD does not currently make chips with ARM technology, as it's in the same boat as Intel in that it makes x86 chips. However, AMD has stated it would make ARM chips if its customers wanted."


    Reuters on NVidia and MediaTek: By Max A. Cherney
    June 12, 20242:16 AM EDTUpdated 3 days ago.
    URL: https://www.reuters.com/technology/mediatek-designs-arm-based-chip-microsofts-ai-laptops-say-sources-2024-06-11/

    This article specifically mentions at the VERY bottom:
    " Nvidia and AMD are working on Arm designs for Windows machines, Reuters reported last year. The Nvidia effort for its PC chip involves help from MediaTek, according to a person familiar with the matter. The MediaTek effort for a PC chip is separate from its collaboration with Nvidia, two of the people said."

    ^ These are 2 VERY different business and ventures.
    1. Nvidia gives business to MediaTek to make Arm SoC's based on NVidia's designs - which MediaTek CANNOT use by patent/law.
    2. MediaTek is designing and building their OWN Arm SoC's.
    ^ lets NOT get the 2 twisted kiddies like this GSMArena article poorly written would have you believe these are the same business ventures! (only the very end of this GSMArena cites this last quote - yet the entire article leaves our specific news I've placed above.


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      MindTheGap, 14 Jun 2024I understand, I only explained ARM in general terms.Just apple tricks to get your money, thin and light had soldered components even before arm was huge, now apple knows their customers dont care so they upscale it to everything.

        Ugh, 13 Jun 2024Arm doeant mean hifh efficency soldered compinents etc, arm... moreI understand, I only explained ARM in general terms.

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          • 13 Jun 2024

          Mediatek on PC, I am want it.

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            Hemedans, 13 Jun 2024In my opinion they regress lately, From A78 to A715 three y... moreYea intel and amd started taking arm seriously seeeing their market share improving.

              Nop, 13 Jun 2024They are still new compared to x86, high perf arm cores ise... moreIn my opinion they regress lately, From A78 to A715 three years they waste without any improvement, A720 is good and hope A725 will improve on that. If you look at new released Xeon it use 1-2W per core same to Amd solution, you can't use Cortex X series to compete there, they need strong middle core.

                YUKI93, 13 Jun 2024Imagine MediaTek making a desktop ARM SoC that works on Win... moreMediaTek has lot of Chromebook soc and like Qualcomm they spam old tech, look at their kompanio lineup

                  Hemedans, 13 Jun 2024Tuxedo anounced one before Christmass it will be available,... moreGood to hear there's a prototype out now. Can't wait to see laptops with the X elite technology but without Copilot/recall forces down our throats.

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                    Hemedans, 13 Jun 2024Advantage of Arm is cheaper, you can just pay licence to Ar... moreThey are still new compared to x86, high perf arm cores iself are still new. They still were very slow at some workloads compared to x86 like 2 years back.

                      Imagine MediaTek making a desktop ARM SoC that works on Windows and ChromeOS laptops/tablets. That would give Qualcomm something to worry about, especially since the last Snapdragon SoC made for ChromeOS is the 7c Gen 2, and it's almost four years old.

                        Wat, 13 Jun 2024Amazon and microsoft already use arm servers, it ofc cant r... moreAdvantage of Arm is cheaper, you can just pay licence to Arm and build yours, but with X86 you have to pay Intel/Amd.

                        Arm servers arent new they are here for long time but they failed to dethrone X86 and they are not efficient as people think, more than Half of Arm server marketshare are used by Amazon, outside of Amazon X86 still offer better Perfomance/value. With Skymont and Zen 5C it's going to be tough for Arm to compete.

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                          MindTheGap, 13 Jun 2024Well YES but actually NO. As you already know, ARM focuses... moreArm doeant mean hifh efficency soldered compinents etc, arm is already in socketed servers and supercomputers. Its just another architecture.

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                            TechJocky, 12 Jun 2024Far away from gamer over. Arm can't even replace x86 i... moreSupercomputers are there too with arm, current no.2 supercomputer is arm lol.

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                              TechJocky, 12 Jun 2024Far away from gamer over. Arm can't even replace x86 i... moreAmazon and microsoft already use arm servers, it ofc cant replace x86 yet as its still new.

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                                Qualcom nuvia is doa

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                                  Hugo, 13 Jun 2024Its windows that needs competition. Not a single desktop op... moreIf future Windows will be monthly subscription i am going for Linux and i am sure that many will follow. When i heard rumors about Windows 12 coming this year and being monthly subscription based i tested couple Linux based distros and it was mostly good experience.

                                  Valve making Steam Deck and releasing Proton has made Linux gaming better than ever, Valve could release console pc hybrid which you can game, work and use as a pc with keyboard and mouse or as a console with gamepad.

                                  If that could have good performance to price ratio(like releasing sub 400 dollar model and more powerful for like 600 dollars) it could kill next generation of Windows with monthly subscription and when Linux would be much bigger audience even newest games and software will play good with Linux, now most problems with games is just some games having unsupported drm protection/anti cheat etc.

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                                    I am very interested to see how well i could play my games on ARM based laptops/handhelds compared to Amd/Intel based.

                                    What i have read it seems that for gaming Amd integrated radeon 880m and Intel Lunar Lake is going to be much more powerful and offering comparable cooling, battery life to first generation Qualcomm Snapdragon elite ARM based Windows 11 laptops.

                                    In laptops and handhelds ARM is the future but it could still take 2-4 generations when those could be actually killing competition. Big question is when you can get very good performance for old x86/x64 games and software and when game&software developers are going to start making their games&programs for native support, maybe if next generation of consoles will be based on ARM instead of Amd Ryzen then we could see huge impact of new games and software getting native support for ARM.

                                    My laptop has 6 core 12 thread i7 9750h and Rtx 2080 with 32gb ddr4 ram and i hope when i am going to buy new that there could be much better battery life, cooler, quieter and more powerful ARM based laptop for like 1000-1500 euros.

                                    I have also read interesting news from Finland via Techcrunch(though it seems hard to believe if it will be actually coming or is it just hype) that startup Flow Computing is going release chip which can get integrated to almost anything like ARM or x86/x64 based processors and that their Parallel Processing Unit(PPU) is going to give 2x performance on first generation and up to 100x performance in later generations which seems crazy. That first generation is not coming soon though but i hope it is legit.

                                      IpsDisplay, 12 Jun 2024Game over x86... Eventually maybe..Well YES but actually NO.
                                      As you already know, ARM focuses on efficiency, which means this chipset is better fitted for laptops and tablets rather than x86 chipsets. Which means if this becomes success, YES, this is gonna be the end of x86 chips... on laptops and tablets. Sure I know that those x86 chipsets are getting more efficient nowadays, but it's nothing compared to ARM chipsets.
                                      However, "efficiency" isn't really something that really important to PC users, including gamers. Unlike ARM, not everything is soldered on x86 motherboard, which becomes a plus point for someone who prefer an upgradable computer. There's a reason why iMac, Mac Pro, and Mac Studio are still not as preferable as Windows PC. So, it will NOT be the end of x86 chips... at least on PC, and probably gaming laptops.

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                                        Hugo, 13 Jun 2024Its windows that needs competition. Not a single desktop op... moreAlmost always software follows the hardware. If not ARM then with RISC-V we should see significant software changes.

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