Samsung may have developed a way to keep the Exynos 2600 cooler
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Hemedans, 31 Jul 2025Cost of device come from die size and node used , not numbe... moreNode price is because of competitiveness bro, not that the machinery is cheap. They use the same machinery just different method.
Talking about die size.. How does it grow??? Choosing more core. FYI both Exynos 2400 and SD gen 3 had same die size.
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P C M, 31 Jul 2025Do you have any idea how much it is costing Samsung to use ... moreCost of device come from die size and node used , not number of cores and compute units,
Exynos 2400 was made using Samsung 4lpp+ which is much cheaper, many reports Samsung node is 30% cheaper than Tsmc node.
We saw last Year Exynos S24 model was cheaper than any Chinese devices in global markets, you think Samsung was Doing charity? No it's because it's cheaper for them to produce Exynos, even though their device were cheaper they made good profit too.
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P C M, 31 Jul 2025The API is modern, never said it is not. And Mali is crap a... moreI just gave you examples of modern games where Amd perform better you ignore them and talking things with zero evidence, show me even one game released recently with modern Api where 8 gen 3 or Any Mali device of same era perform better than E2400?
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P C M, 31 Jul 2025About PC world.. Qualcomm loses in real life because of sof... more
1. Qualcomm lose to Amd in pc because their architecture is inferior, this made Qualcomm themselves to abandon their old architecture and develop adreno 800 so they catch up with pc level Gpu. Gpu is not like cpu that there is Arm and X86 gpu, they are same that's why pc gpu is used in phone without problem.
2. You just lied there every reputable reviewer showed Exynos 2400 lose to 8 gen 3 by roughly 10% in cpu but it's Gpu where it beat 8 gen 3 in modern benchmarks like 3dmark Snl and solarbay. From Geekerwan to Gsmarena to Android authority and others show same thing.
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Hemedans, 31 Jul 2025The article which show comparison never said it's slow... moreDo you have any idea how much it is costing Samsung to use 16 compute Units!!!
Here people are complaining about Exynos being cheap.
I confidently can say the build cost of Exynos 2500/2400 aren't that different compared to similar SD SoC and probably more than Dimensity SoC.
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Hemedans, 31 Jul 2025Switch Emulation use Vulkan only, same to windows Emulation... moreThe API is modern, never said it is not. And Mali is crap at it because it is unable to handle complex stuff. I am talking about the internal shader translation and GPU call. This have to be taken from older architecture. The better memory system and shader system gives AMD and advantages over others but it doesn't give them any edge as mobile games are not like that, it's straight forward.
That's what I am trying to say.
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Hemedans, 31 Jul 2025The article which show comparison never said it's slow... moreAbout PC world.. Qualcomm loses in real life because of software support but not performace. And If we have to serialize based on capability.
NVIDIA comes first, then Apple, Intel just took over AMD, all they have to do now is maturing their drivers. Even SD is better than AMD at generic level. It just suffers from software support.
Now about Mali in Exynos 2100...
If you could re-live your memory and look again that the GPU was excellent and on par with Qualcomm.
Now about AMD being 10-20% slower I meant it as general for all AMD GPU released by Samsung. Now for Exynos 2400, even though it is not as big as 20%, it's still slower than SD like 5-10%. Exynos 2500 GPU as of now feels like 20% slower than competition.
It's evident in almost all gaming test done by youtubers like NLTECH.
Here is a battery test of gaming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41YdiXXu0Rs
Remember Exynos 2400 CPU is likely 5-10% more efficient than SD gen 3. So, All that extra drain was due to the GPU. SO, even though it seems 9% decrepency, it's more like 15%.
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P C M, 31 Jul 2025And before arguing about emulation, why don't you do a... moreSwitch Emulation use Vulkan only, same to windows Emulation, modern drivers used for Emulation already implement Vulkan 1.4 (which release less than a year) so emulation even though it emulate older games but it use modern Api.
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P C M, 31 Jul 2025And what about other 90% games where the AMD GPU is 10-20%+... moreThe article which show comparison never said it's slower 10-20% but it's comparable, where did you get 10-20% figure?
Second it's doesn't use more power, It beat 8 gen 3 in efficiency, not by much but still, tested by Geekerwan himself, where did you get your data that it use more power? And by slightly beating snapdragon while using inferior node show how much better that gpu architecture is.
Samsung did use Mali in Exynos 2100 and 990 did they beat Adreno? No? Modern Exynos are far better than previous ones.
Even if you compare pc Gpu, Nvidia will be first then Amd second, Then Intel and Apple third, Qualcomm is no where near even Intel, X elite win in most benchmarks but lose in almost all real life situation vs Radeon.
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Hemedans, 31 Jul 2025Did you even read what we wrote? Amd don't excel in ol... moreAnd before arguing about emulation, why don't you do a homework on it first?
Saying Emulation using modern framework.. 🤣🤣
What about shader translation and GPU call conversion??
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Hemedans, 31 Jul 2025Did you even read what we wrote? Amd don't excel in ol... moreAnd what about other 90% games where the AMD GPU is 10-20%+ slower and in some games we can't even choose high setting? Samsung choose the GPU to use it in flagship, off course it won't be a midrange level performance. But it used more power but delivered less. The GPU in E2500 is even worse.
I read your post but did you understand what I am trying to say!!! I think I already said multiple times that Samsung implementation is very good. Look how many compute units they could put in the SoC to make it even a decent performer 12CU(E2400) and 16CU(E2500). Even AMD's own 7000/8000 series iGPu was only 12CU even though CPU TDP was 50+W. Even Steam-deck with good power and cooling is only adding 8CU GPU.
So, as you see what I have been trying to say, the credit goes to Samsung for doing it as far as they can with a mediocre base GPU.
I'm saying If Samsung was using the Mali GPU, it would beat adreno in both performance and efficiency.
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Before arguing, stop a minute and compare what AMD is doing with their GPU vs how Samsung is implementing it. AMD GPU in reality is trash. It performs good in Ray tracing because it's more mature as they started it way before than the mobile industry. When compared to NVIDIA it's trash ray tracing. AMD GPU is so trash that they had to drop the competition against NVIDIA.
AS both APPLE and Qualcomm are there in PC world. From that data it is very easy to understand that their GPU is not much behind and APPLE is probably even ahead. But AMD??? Behind them all, even Intel took over them in terms of GPU performance and efficiency.
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P C M, 31 Jul 2025WTF people always bring emulation when they want to praise ... moreDid you even read what we wrote? Amd don't excel in old stuff but newer one, Any game with ray tracing Amd gpu is far ahead than Adreno and Mali Gpu, any Game which use latest versions Of Vulkan same thing would happen. Those Emulators don't use old Apis, they use new one, even Native android games which use those new features difference is massive.
This article posted about gaming benchmarks while ago
https://m.gsmarena.com/exynos_2400_can_keep_up_with_the_snapdragon_8_gen_3_in_real_games-news-61306.php
Ray tracing game like warthunder Exynos had 100fps compare to 40fps of sd 8 gen 3.
Some newer games like persona phantom X also Xclipse shine over Adreno.
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jiyen235, 31 Jul 2025exynos 2500 didnt even beat the 8 gen 3 lilbroNice joke
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jiyen235, 31 Jul 2025exynos 2500 didnt even beat the 8 gen 3 lilbrokeep dreaming lil bro
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Sahyu, 30 Jul 2025Did you see Exynos 2500 beat both 8 gen 3 and 8 elite in te... moreexynos 2500 didnt even beat the 8 gen 3 lilbro
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Sahyu, 31 Jul 2025Can you tell me whats better in mali gpu than amd gpu?Efficiency and almost all mobile games run better and have better fps in Mali GPU. I mean what else do you want from a smartphone SoC?
As I just said in other comment, Historically Samsung has been great at implementing GPU as they have always been doing in house GPU development research. So, given their expertise they could bring out 5-10% more out of Mali GPU than MediaTek, then current GPU could easily beat Adreno.
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P C M, 31 Jul 2025Unless you take emulation in count, AMD GPU is total shit, ... moreCan you tell me whats better in mali gpu than amd gpu?
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Ow, 31 Jul 2025Exynos was better than any other chipset until the S8 serie... moreActually the Exynos 9825 was excellent in Note 10+ compared to SD 855 but it came 6 months too late.
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Sahyu, 31 Jul 2025Mali gpu is shi compared to adreno and Amd gpu.Unless you take emulation in count, AMD GPU is total shit, It was in PC world, it is in smartphone world too.
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Hemedans, 30 Jul 2025Then do your homework as of now
Turnip (custom drivers f... moreWTF people always bring emulation when they want to praise shitty AMD GPU.. !!
It's not paired with a emulator, is it???
It's paired with a smartphone and the AMD GPU is both slower and way more inefficient.
The reason it does good in old platform because of AMD's long presence in GPu world. Nothing more.
Samsung GPU was mostly on par with Qualcomm and even surpassed them when they used Mali GPU and FYI, Mali GPU has improved even more than it was back then.
I'm pure confident Samsung's implementation of Mali GPU would definitely be better than that of MediaTek and MediaTek is already giving Qualcomm a run for their money in GPU department.
Just look at the AMD GPU implementation. Samsung has achieved a great feat implementing that many GPU core inside a tiny SoC with under 10W power draw.
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I just hope the 2nm node comes with proper MBCFET structure and actually takes advantages of it, seeing how they managed to include HPB thermal system, it feels like they are taking advantage of MBCFET which they should do.
Now they just need to move away from the AMD generic IP.