Apple iPhone Air successor to gain second camera
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- Gaya
- teX
- 20 Nov 2025
Don't know why...but xiaomi copy everything except iphone air 🤔😆
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- gerets
- 3k6
- 09 Nov 2025
The single cam is the least of the problems, it lacks audio stereo which also has several entry-level, just esim is a gamble then even two cams would not have been an offense for 1200k
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- boydy
- qq4
- 09 Nov 2025
If I remember right, I don't think they have the room to put a camera right beside the top one because of Face ID that's why Apple on the pro phones have three cameras spaced out the way they do
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- Boggy
- T0Z
- 07 Nov 2025
ProMaxUltraAreBricks, 07 Nov 2025Base 17 is the exact same experience as the 17 Pro (same OS... moreIs not only about the camera. There are other differences too.
The performance is better on the Pro models. Ram is better, speakers are better, sustained performance is better (thanks to the aluminum unibody and vapor chamber cooling), Usb port is faster, battery is slightly better, design is better (of course this could be subjective; but at least the Pro design is something new, compared to the base model design which looks the same like past models).
I am not saying the iPhone 17 base model is not worth it. But at 1000EUR, it doesn't look like great value. And whoever has 1000EUR to spend on a phone, can spend 300-400 EUR extra to get the Pro variants, which are better models.
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- Anonymous
- AfM
- 07 Nov 2025
Koishi Komeiji, 07 Nov 2025apple is still backwarding...OMG OMG so so so clever... omg... NOT.
- you have to suffer
- txG
- 07 Nov 2025
YoloBS, 06 Nov 2025And i was hoping to see mini with bigger silicon batteries it'll be thicker if you ask for 6000mah+ battery
- ProMaxUltraAreBricks
- 6mf
- 07 Nov 2025
jsoprano75, 07 Nov 2025The X200 Ultra is an absolute beast! I bought the X200 Pro ... moreYou can follow guides on YTB like this one:
https://youtu.be/CCtoXfZoSWs
Or search for “Universal Android Debloater GUI” on GitHub to remove deeper bloatware using ADB (I didn’t have to do so).
- jsoprano75
- NI9
- 07 Nov 2025
ProMaxUltraAreBricks, 07 Nov 2025Base 17 is the exact same experience as the 17 Pro (same OS... moreThe X200 Ultra is an absolute beast! I bought the X200 Pro Mini because I prefer small phones. My only problem is all the Chinese bloatware. Do you have the Chinese ROM version? If so, do you know how to remove all the Chinese bloatware? That would make my software experience much more enjoyable. Thanks in advance.
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- potato4k
- I2c
- 07 Nov 2025
ProMaxUltraAreBricks, 07 Nov 2025Base 17 is the exact same experience as the 17 Pro (same OS... moreWell, you have the perfect comparison between iPhone and a Chinese flagship.
iPhones were almost never at the forefront of spec. Heck, the first iPhone is not even 3G. The only times they were ahead were with the iPhone 4 (Retina display), iPhone 5s (64bit), and iPhone 6s (NVME). That’s about it I think.
But the Chinese has one huge downfall, ie software. They really don’t spend that much investment and development on software, as nearly all of them are simply a knockoff of iOS (eMUI, colorOS, MiUI, they all feel just like a cheap knockoff). No identity of their own. That’s why for general consumers, once they can afford one, they simply buy iPhones.
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- 6mf
- 07 Nov 2025
Boggy, 07 Nov 2025Lol, 90% from the Pro experience? No.
Is not only about P... moreBase 17 is the exact same experience as the 17 Pro (same OS, ecosystem, screen, performance, selfie, battery life, charging speed, haptics, sound…). You're paying hundreds more for literally nothing but an aluminum orange variant and an already weak zoom.
Also, my Chinese X200 Ultra was only around 850€ (cheaper than the base iPhone 17 without deals), and its camera hardware is so far ahead that it will still be beating “Pro” iPhone models for many years to come.
Anyway, the only thing I can agree on is that their Chinese software does feel like a cheap iOS clone.
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- Boggy
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- 07 Nov 2025
ProMaxUltraAreBricks, 07 Nov 2025Basically, with the base iPhone 17, it’s 90% of a 17 Pro ex... moreLol, 90% from the Pro experience? No.
Is not only about Pro Motion and cameras. That is less than half what a phone is really all about.
Also, pay 1000+EUR for a Chinese phone? Never in a million years I will do that. Is not only about the specs. I don't trust that a particular flagship model from China will run exactly the same (hardware and software) in 3-5 years time. And when buying a flagship expensive phone you make a long term investment let's say.
Anyway, I don't want to get into the debate Chinese phones vs iPhones. I had Chinese phones in the past, and I think they are great value, as long as you don't pay more than 500EUR for one. Everything above that price, is only Samsung and Apple for me.
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- 6mf
- 07 Nov 2025
Boggy, 07 Nov 2025Why wait? Just buy whatever you need and afford right now. ... moreBasically, with the base iPhone 17, it’s 90% of a 17 Pro experience for under €950 (even less using deals) with 256GB.
No need to get the Pro, unless you’re into photo/videography, but the Ultra Chinese flagships have miles better sensors anyway (and can be cheaper too).
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- Vic
- 3n5
- 07 Nov 2025
The main camera is already wide enough. Instead of a useless wide-angle camera, they would better add a telephoto lens, which is much more useful and practical in real life -for portraits, distant objects, etc.
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- Hugo
- Hks
- 07 Nov 2025
They'll call it innovation
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- Anonymous
- 70d
- 07 Nov 2025
Boggy, 07 Nov 2025I wanted to say at 1000EUR I don't call the iPhone 17 ... moreThe iPhone 17 is an overpriced midrange phone. It doesn't have great value. 120 Hz screens are standard for years. The Xiaomi Poco F7 blows it out of the water in terms of value.
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- Robin
- gDF
- 07 Nov 2025
Put the 4x telephoto camera back there and I’ll buy it. But make them vertical, because this render looks like a sad robot.
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- Boggy
- T0Z
- 07 Nov 2025
Boggy, 07 Nov 2025Why wait? Just buy whatever you need and afford right now. ... moreI wanted to say at 1000EUR I don't call the iPhone 17 great value phone, not affordable. Damn, I need to make account on arena again, so I can edit my comments.
I mean, is still the entry level 17 series phone. Just because they put Pro Motion, is automatically great value?
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- Boggy
- T0Z
- 07 Nov 2025
Sammy0, 06 Nov 2025Apple will piecemeal features as they usually do to keep pe... moreWhy wait? Just buy whatever you need and afford right now. Anyway, if someone can afford an iPhone Air, they certainly can afford an iPhone 17 Pro or Pro Max.
Also, why is the iPhone 17 all of a sudden so "great value", just because they put some insignificant 120Hz? Lol. It still a 1000EUR phone in Europe, I don't call that affordable. I rather buy the 17 Pro or 17 Pro Max for some extra euros. Wait.. I already did, lol.