Nokia 2710 Navigation Edition

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• 2nee1
• ubf
• 21 Jun 2010

the only missing in this phone is the 16.7 million colour screen, then it will be a great phone.

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• Markku
• spM
• 19 Jun 2010

Map button. I first thought that it does not work. But you just have to press it a little longer , maybe two seconds. It is great as it immediately starts searching ones location. Good headphones are always nice, I use sennheiser hd 238 (open air, I do not like closed). Worth the extra money. Similar sound quality as Ipods, but not as good as a good (Nad) CD-player...

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• K1W1
• wvP
• 19 Jun 2010

low, 18 Jun 2010hi..do you really like this phone?because i didn't think th... moreHi. I did really like it, but of course, it's not THE phone. Just one that had what I wanted for a price I was willing to pay.

But now, I'm forming a Love-Hate relationship with it.

If you use the phone a lot, you'll start to realise it's very rough around the edges and the menus and options etc need a lot of work.

For example, many errors (like trying to select a Radio Station that doesn't have a station tuned to it) will produce a big white screen, with a message in big black letters. Okay, you'll get the message, but it's much uglier than it needs to be.

However, if you try to turn the Radio on without any headphones plugged in (needed as the FM aerial), the Radio will start up, and you'll get a message (as part of the normal Radio GUI), but in very tiny letters.

Similarly, if you want to Save a radio station, that's in one menu, but if you want to Delete one, that's in a totally different menu.

Also, if you Name a Radio station, you lose the RDS data display, and also, worse still, you can't Delete the name once it's in there. You can only change the name. The only way to get RDS back is to delete the station and save it again - which as I said, requires using two different menus.

It's inconsistencies like this which start to annoy me.

Oh, and BTW, if you do turn on the Radio (in V6.22, anyway) without the phones/aerial plugged in, the "Options" cue appears above the LH Selction key, but it doesn't work. You can't do anything with it, you can't turn the radio off again. If you use the RH Select key, it goes back to the Home screen leaving the Radio still on, and a message "Connect headset" in the General Indicators bar (if you have it displayed).

It's kinda bad luck if it turns out you don't have a set of headphones with you. Sure, the Radio does time out and turn off after a while, but you wouldn't know that, and displaying a Select key option that doesn't actually work is not cool, in my view.

Having said that, I do like the many Personalisation options the phone has. Feel the Love?

The camera is not up to much at all, but I don't care about that. A camera that small can't be expected to take fantastic pictures, and I'll only use when I have to.

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• K1W1
• wvP
• 19 Jun 2010

Margaret mingoa, 18 Jun 2010how do i know if it has internet access?Yes, it does, though I haven't needed to use it yet. It comes with a cut-down version of Opera - see the review here:

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_2710_navigation_edition-review-484.php

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• low
• Ia9
• 18 Jun 2010

hi..do you really like this phone?because i didn't think that this phone is THE PHONE..it's just one more off the nokia style...it's very common

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• Margaret mingoa
• sRj
• 18 Jun 2010

how do i know if it has internet access?

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• Michal
• N@p
• 18 Jun 2010

I have been testing this phone since couple of days (in Switzerland).
I am satisfied with the quality of manufacturing. It is really well finished.

Navigation:
works fine. Estimation of new way, in case of taking other way than recommended by device, is immediate.
Unfortunately there is no possibility to find location after coordinates. The device does not give any information about coordinates of the current location. There is also no information about speed and altitude.

Current position is estimated quickly if we are on the street, but it can take approximatly 1 minute if we are inside a building and far from any street. The device was unable to estimate my location during the journey on the train.

Camera
The quality of photos is very poor. The photos are not sharp and very noisy. There is also no flash light.

Headphones:
The quality of headphones and microphone of the included kit is satisfactory for phone calls (better than SonyEricsson k120i and SAMSUNG). For listening of music I would recommend using other head phones (I like the sound and the price of SONY MDR-EX32). And since the device has a standard 3.5 mm socket (Mini Jack) you can use your favourite headphones (also for makin the call - in this case you are using the built-in phone microphone).

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• K1W1
• wvP
• 18 Jun 2010

I now have firmware V6.22. Noticed so far:

MAP BUTTON: Still doesn't do anything. It beeps if you have keytones enabled, but that's all. Actually would be much better as another user-definable button. Still no sign of it in any menu I've seen.

RADIO. Figured out the Tuning (or maybe it's changed with the new F/w version). To tune, L/R Navi short click. To change Station, L/R Navi hold until it changes. Whould make much more sense the other way around, because you generally DON'T want to Tune, you want to switch to a Preset, but never mind. Holding to Tune feels much more logical to me.

Note: Radio/Options/Stations looks the same as Goto/Stations, but it isn't! Goto/Stations changes stations as you scroll, the other doesn't. When you click, the station is selected and the list closes.

I really like the way the RDS data appears in the "General Indicators" bar if you enable it on the Home Screen, when the Radio is on in the background. That's cool. The phone has some very cool features, just needs a bit of work to tidy things up.

For example, (this is cool) normally, you get the [Day and Date] in the "General Indicators" Home screen bar, with the local "Cell info" (Cell site name / area) displayed below it (if you have it turned on).

But if the Radio is on in the background, the [Day & Date] gets replaced by the RDS data from whatever station is playing. However, you can't get the [Day & Date] back at will - for example by pressing the End button. You have to go into some other menu then out again to get the [Day & Date] to reappear.

GENERAL: In general, a lot of menu items don't behave like (I think) they should, but it would take hours to document. There are many inconsistencies, for example, some prompt whether to connect to the Internet, some just go ahead without notice. Some menu items quit back to the Home screen when you just want to back up one level, but I don't remember which now. Some menus have a black on white pop-up sub-menus and some things are not where you'd want them to be.

HELP SYSTEM. Well, are you gonna Help me or NOT? Some menu items have a timed help message which sometimes eventually appears, but many don't. It would be great if you could (a) tell if there's Help for a command, and (b) make it appear when you want it. The Maps button would be ideal for this, since it's small and obviously not essential.

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• K1W1
• wvP
• 18 Jun 2010

Cont'd from K1W1 below:


While it's recording, the recorder app is THE Focus. It seems there's no way you can move it to background like you can the Radio. Worse still, while it's recording, the LCD Backlight is ON, continually. That's gonna suck the Battery out.

Effectively, the current Voice Recorder "feature" is so badly implemented as to be almost worthless, IMHO. You might use it to record brief memory joggers, but that would be about all.


As I see it, the Voice Recorder should also be able to switch into the background, just like most other apps, and you should (even more importantly) be able to record your own calls with it. Here, nearly every goverment department, bank, and major business claims to record incoming calls, so why can't we level the playing field?

Okay, I like the phone, but given a bit of refinement, I could really love it.

ALARMS: Oh, sorry. No such luck. Just ONE alarm. My cheap, nasty, employer-supplied SAMSUNG flip does MUCH better. It provides 5 fully configurable Alarms which can each be individually configured: Named, Set, individually toned, volumed, and set for any day(s) of the week. Even more, each alarm can be configured to Snooze, for 1, 3, 5, 7 or 10 mins, and repeat (snoozing), 1, 2, 3, 5 or 10 times. This is a GREAT Feature from Samsung. Plus it can Auto-Power-on, also in the Alarms section.

The ONE Nokia 2710 alarm has some limited Snooze options, and can be configured by day(s) of the week, but what's the use of that? If I want to wake up at 6:30 Mon-Fri, I have to either set Reminders for the weekends, or re-set my time and days of the week on that ONE alarm. Not good enough, Nokia! How little software is required to add another 4 or 5 identical alarms. Negligible.

OH, another fault with the Alarm. My ancient old Nokia had this right, but not the 2710. If I activate Snooze when the Alarm goes off, when I then Unlock the phone, guess what? The phone forgets that there's an active Snooze still running. The old model would say "Snooze Active" with "Stop" as the only option. It would be better if there was the choice to keep it snoozing, but no choice is better than No Idea. The 2710 does nothing.

So, I snooze the phone, then get up a minute later. (Yes, believe it or not, this actually happened). I then jump straight in the car, go into Maps and drive away. After a while, although there is no Alarm Sound, I notice the little Alarm Bell symbol at the top of the screen is busy ringing its head off. The Alarm was silently going off. Now what use is that??? When unlocked, the phone should have asked what to do, and if I continue to Snooze, well, shouldn't it ACTUALLY RING at the right time?

NAVIGATION. Worked well, mostly. Could use more options. Last weekend I obeyed its instructions for a short across town trip. Left the same time as friends making the same trip. They were in a fully laden van and went the "obvious way", BUT I took 50% longer for the same trip at the same time, because I got taken "the complex way" through lots of busy sidestreets and traffic lights and intersections, while they took the longer way, and cruised on the motorway.

Yes, and I did have the phone set to Fastest by car, use motorways. But generally, it's pretty good and I won't complain about that. I like the way it updates itself to keep on track, even when you disobey its instructions.


Let's just say I really like the phone, and hope that it comes back with new firmware (and all my data), and works better than ever. If Nokia reads this and implements these things in a Firmware update for everyone to download, I will be thrilled to bits!

P.S. Yes, I especially love the way you can configure the Home Screen, I love the big digital clock (I've got mine set to Yellow font on the default dark B/G and it looks pretty stunning), and it would be great if they would add to the Home Screen by adding one more User Select bar (Not sure what they're called, can't find in Manual & phone is in the shop). Anyway, the additional bar would list all the running apps, [e.g. Radio / Media player / Voice Recorder / Alarms / Stopwatch/timer, etc] (or come up with some better way) to quickly get back to an active app such as the Radio, Volume control, etc.)

Oh, and I don't know why all phones don't have this, but a simple LED torch would be another GREAT, and very inexpensive, feature. If you really wanted to make it useful, include an option to Flash the LED. If your car breaks down out in the country and you have to walk on the road at night, a flashing light is so much easier to see...

(PPPS: the battery charger lead is way too short.)

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• K1W1
• wvP
• 18 Jun 2010

REGL, 17 Jun 2010hi, i would like to know whether dis fone's GPS is ok or no... moreThe GPS is ok, so far as I have seen. It works quite well, and updates itself quickly when you take wrong turns. Doesn't always offer the fastest route though and you have to be smarter sometimes.

But the phone software still has a lot of bugs and things that aren't right. I had to get my one reloaded at the shop (it crashed and died). I now have V6.22 (latest on Nokia site is 6.21), but it's still a mess. A lot of the menus are inconsistent and things aren't always where they should be, and don't work like they should. Hopefully, it will get better!

The GPS does work quite well, and you can run it for free, without a data connection.

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• REGL
• PIh
• 17 Jun 2010

hi, i would like to know whether dis fone's GPS is ok or not? anything con than pro ?? i dont want other features. only need the GPS. call & sms. thats all

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• K1W1
• wvP
• 16 Jun 2010

I have a 2nd part to post, but can't do it. Anyone know how? (Does anyone want to see it?)

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• K1W2
• wvP
• 16 Jun 2010

[deleted post]Cont'd from K1W1 below:


While it's recording, the recorder app is THE >>>Focus

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• K1W2
• wvP
• 16 Jun 2010

Cont'd from below:

While it's recording, the recorder app is THE >>>Focus

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• K1W1
• wvP
• 16 Jun 2010

Cont'd from below:

While it's recording, the recorder app is THE >>>Focus

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• K1W1
• wvP
• 16 Jun 2010

Ok, bought the Nokia 2710 Nav Ed 9 days ago. Lots of promise, but definitely not there yet. Hopefully Nokia will fix a lot of these deficiencies like Microsoft does - after the product is released. I see today there's a new software release V6.21. That must have just come out, the first available firmware download, because it wasn't there a couple of days ago. Mine had V6.13. Too bad I never got the chance to try it (yet)...

There's a lot a like about this phone and I couldn't find a better phone for the money, that offers what I want. But, it has definite weaknesses, bugs and things that could do with tidying up or just plain improving!

Okay, so: First up - after just 9 days of normal use, I've had to take the phone back to the shop to be fixed. It's "died". Now, when I turn it on, it locks up completely at the Enter Date & Time screen. You can't do anything at all, except remove the (fully charged) battery to power it off. Then, when you replace and turn back on, same thing. The software has obviously screwed up. [I turned it Off and removed the battery, hoping that the Map button might start working after a reboot, but I didn't expect this. A dead phone.]

Let me tell you a bit about my experience up to then. First fault I found: the Maps button - the small button between the Right Menu button and the End/Power button - never worked. All it would do is "wake up" the phone - if locked, it would do the same as all the other locked keys, bring up the Unlock prompt. But nothing else, even when unlocked. It might be nice if it worked, and even nicer if you could customise it, but I couldn't find anything like that in the Menus.

Next, the RADIO. Great stereo sound, but definitely not there yet. When you Auto-tune the stations, it finds up to 20 local stations and puts them in a list. From there, it seems that you're supposed to save the ones you want - up to 20 max. (But where are the instructions??? More on that later), and even though you may save a station, the Stations menu will still offer to "Save Station" again. Save again, but still the same... But only for some stations. Others don't want to be Saved again. I couldn't figure that out. But that's not the real problem. The Radio operation pretty much Sux. To increase the volume, you can simply Up or Down the 4-way Navi key, no problem there. (Well, almost. The Lowest point on the volume scale is Mute, which is great, but the next one up is too loud for quiet listening. We're not all deaf teenagers.)

Back to the tuning problem: once the Stations are set up (and, presumably SAVED), you are supposed to be able to switch stations (User Guide, p47) by simply pressing Left or Right on the Navi key. That would make good sense, and the Radio screen (Nav labels) also seem to imply that. Yeah, well, not yet! What happens is the Radio is stuck in Tune mode, and even though the Frequency has been set and saved, it simply (de)tunes the frequency off the station. Bummer. To get a new station, you have to go into the Menu, down to the Stations list, then select a new station. Painful. Or, you can use a number key, if you can remember the number of the station you want. A popup list would be nice. Also, it's too easy to Auto-tune all the stations unintentionally, and lose all your previous work. [Are you sure?]?? Similarly, getting the Stations Info (a web lookup) needs a prompt to say [Connect to Web?]

One thing I REALLY like about the radio - the RDS (Radio Data Systems) feature, but again, sadly, it's just NOT THERE YET! In the Stations List, if you decide to save a Station with a NAME, guess what? You lose RDS when you listen to that Station. DAFT! The Name is a prompt so you can quickly choose the Station. Once I've done that, do I need to see the Name and not the RDS data? NO I DON'T!

The Radio (and Presumably the Media player which I haven't even tried yet), have definite operational issues. It's nice that you can leave the Radio playing in the background and return to the Main (Home screen) etc and use the "device" (as the Manual calls it) for other things, ***BUT*** what do you do if you need to Mute it suddenly because someone wants to talk to you? Are you supposed to just rip out your earphones? How Cool! But that seems to be about your best option, especially if you've got the phone locked (or Auto locked), because, as far as I can see, there's no quick way to do it. You either have to Unlock, navigate back to the Radio app and Vol down, or you have to navigate to the Volume control and scroll it down to "0" (which isn't Mute, and there isn't a Mute option that I've found so far, meaning that's it's still too loud to hold an ordinary conversation.)

I presume the same issues apply to the Media/MP3 player, but can't say as my phone is AWOL.

If Nokia wants to be really clever, they could create a "Conversation" mode, where an Audiophile could hold a conversation with someone nearby, by (in one operation) muting / stopping whatever is playing, and listening to the person through the phone's own microphone. This would enable the hard of hearing to amp the volume, and would allow you to keep your earpieces in (or headphones on), and still hear clearly. Maybe Nokia could pay me for this idea!!

Which brings me to the next thing I bought the phone for: "Voice Recording".

But first, this brings me to the Manual. There's only one word to appropriately describe Nokia's 2710 phone documentation: ABYSMAL!! Completely Abysmal. I don't know, but guess this applies to all the phones they make, these days. I suppose it's part of the Dumbed Down, Consumeristic, Virtual Book Burning culture we now live in. (Oh, and the User Manual Index Sux too. It's just 2.3 pages, while the ToC is 2.75 pages.)

Anyway, nowhere in any of the Pre-Sales literature, nor in the Downloadable User's Manual nor on Nokia's website, could I find anything worthwhile about this feature. And most of the shops around here won't let you actually try things out on a real phone because then it's ex-Demo. Anyway, I couldn't find anything to tell me what format it records in, how much memory it uses per minute or hour, and how long it will record for. All I can tell you is that the recorder controls are completely basic: Record and Stop. It will record for up to an hour. Okay, but why not 10? And get this:

While it's recording, the recorder app is THE >>>Focus

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• PUMELA
• Mfy
• 15 Jun 2010

great.phone its friendly user

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• SID
• KFN
• 15 Jun 2010

I'd like to know from the reviewer that, whether the standard s40 6th edition web browser is available on this phone or not. I do not find opera mini 4.2 secure enough to be used for day to day work since it transmits all data through a transcoder server. S40 6th edition browser is webkit based and transmits data directly to the target.

Please let me know whether the s40 6th edition browser is available on this phone apart from opera mini on this phone.

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• shiva
• ibk
• 12 Jun 2010

Upornik, 11 Jun 2010Anyone knows if I can install Garmin software + maps on thi... moreyou can install garmin mobile xt software

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• Upornik
• mJH
• 11 Jun 2010

Anyone knows if I can install Garmin software + maps on this phone?

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