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zoro6, 06 Mar 2023btw notebookcheck website test pwm in their reviews, and su... moreBecause the majority of the people has no idea whats going on around them, they just go with the flow and manufacturers are obviously profiting from this

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    AdrianM, 28 Feb 2023I was interested in what you have written and after searchi... morebtw notebookcheck website test pwm in their reviews, and surprisingly the Poco M5s with amoled display didnt have any flickering! so i believe its something manufacturers can take care for if they really wanted, only a minority complain thats why they dont care :(
    i consider an ips with pwm a terrible one.

      AdrianM, 28 Feb 2023I was interested in what you have written and after searchi... moreThis is an interesting subject, some people claim they get side effects from even very high frequency ranges (20 Khz) some claims it only affects you below 1 Khz
      Tbh, I don’t really care, but OLEDs in mobiles are quite flickery which is why I try to avoid OLEDs at all cost. Once they figure this out I’ll be more than happy to switch…

        RTamas, 25 Feb 2023PWM flickering is mainly exist with OLED screens, so in thi... moreI was interested in what you have written and after searching I found this:
        https://www.dxomark.com/flicker-the-display-affliction/

        Basically PWM flicker applies to all displays and not only OLED. The only difference is that in most smartphones with OLED display the flickering is more visible because the manufacture used a low PWM frequency (about 250-500Hz). On a LCD (they tested only Mi 10T Pro) the frequency is at least 5 times higher so you don't feel that flickering so much.
        I also found information that OLED flickering isn't visible on OLED TV because they use good PWM controllers.

        So basically @Czuba was right. OLED flickering is the fault of the manufacture because they don't use a high frequency PWM controller.

          Anonymous, 14 Feb 2023Bloatware UI on Samsung? What are you smoking.Bixby, Samsung Pay, Samsung Fitness app to name a few.

            FullmetalJun, 18 Feb 2023OLED isn't good enough for reading on tablets because ... moreoleds can show true white, but its just the blue light filter kicks in that caused to look yellow-ish.

              Czuba, 14 Feb 2023"Watch YouTube videos. Many mentioned their problems t... morePWM flickering is mainly exist with OLED screens, so in this context its quite pointless to argue whether its a manufacturing attribute or something else

              Your eyes could also get tired even with black background (more focusing in a given time period)

              Burn ins are not *just* related to heat and every orgnic diodes are prone to this issue one way or another

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                FullmetalJun, 18 Feb 2023OLED isn't good enough for reading on tablets because ... moreI actually prefer to read something in dark mode

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                  Anonymous, 14 Feb 2023Bloatware UI on Samsung? What are you smoking.best i have now

                    Czuba, 14 Feb 2023"Watch YouTube videos. Many mentioned their problems t... moreOLED isn't good enough for reading on tablets because it can't display true white colour. When displaying white on OLED, it's always yellowish or bluish unlike LCDs which display true white colour like paper and better for the eyes.

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                      Contemplator, 13 Feb 2023Watch YouTube videos. Many mentioned their problems their ... more"Watch YouTube videos. Many mentioned their problems their dear."
                      Sorry but I didn't find anything and you also can't send anything so to sum up there isn't a problem.

                      "I too can't bear PWM flickering of OLED."
                      PWM flickering is independent from screen type. If you had this problem then that means it's the fault of the manufacture and not the screen.

                      "Find LCD is good for Reading and can be kept on for hours without worrying about burn-in."
                      OLED are event better for reading because you can save energy by setting a black background and white text. This has another benefit. Your eyes won't get tired because the contrast is infinity so your eyes have less work to do.
                      What you mentioned here isn't burn in but ghosting. LCD aren't resistant to this either. At my home I have 2 semi professional monitors and after about 3h of displaying a static image they show already ghosting effects.
                      Burn in on OLED displays are related to heat. You would have to set 100% brightness and display a bright static image for multiple days to get a burn in. It's not that easy as people think.
                      That's why manufactures started to add a heatsink to they OLED TV.

                      Also we are talking about tablet and smartphone displays. No one is using they device in that way. The only situation is when you use navigation. I travel quite often and nothing happened to any of my phones. Of course I change my phone every 3 years so they aren't too old.

                      "OLED is thumbs up in Sunlight. Else, LCD is doing it's job pretty good"
                      That also isn't true. On sunny day you need to set maximum brightness. That's really bad for a OLED display because they get hot. So LCD are much better for sunny days but on every other situation OLED are better.

                      The most important think is to know how to correctly use a OLED display so it can last really long.

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                        Bloatware UI on Samsung? What are you smoking.

                          If its only 128gb storage option then that will be a deal breaker for me.

                            Czuba, 11 Feb 2023One question. What do you mean by repairing? Separating the... moreWatch YouTube videos.
                            Many mentioned their problems their dear.

                            I too can't bear PWM flickering of OLED.

                            Find LCD is good for Reading and can be kept on for hours without worrying about burn-in.

                            Apple provides option to keep display on as 2 mins, 5 mins, 10 mins and Never.

                            No such option of Never since iPhone 12.

                            OLED is thumbs up in Sunlight. Else, LCD is doing it's job pretty good

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                              • 13 Feb 2023

                              For good price this could be really interesting device.
                              At least no bloatware UI like Samsung or Xiaomi.

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                                Contemplator, 11 Feb 2023Really ?? 🤣 LCD panel is easier to repair. Even a per... moreOne question. What do you mean by repairing? Separating the touch layer from the screen or just replacing?

                                With the burn in you are right. Forgot about it because till now I never had this problem. That's why I don't recommend OLED Monitors.
                                Could you please share some link that mentions that discolouration issue? Never heard about it.

                                  Czuba, 09 Feb 2023Nope. LCD aren't easier to repair. Everything depends ... moreReally ??

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                                  LCD panel is easier to repair. Even a person with little knowledge can do that.

                                  But can't say same for OLED.

                                  Apart from this OLED suffers from burn in and discoloration at higher refresh rate

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                                    BMHater12, 08 Feb 2023For a flagship tablet released last year, I'm surprise... moreabout that: manufacturers kept removing sd and 3.5 port from flagship devices as if its a better thing! to the point that some people believed that, do you?

                                      Design looks beatiful with slim bezels, aspect ratio perfect, but the absence of microsd slot is just a deal breaker for me. Currently only Samsung tablets still offer card slot but their bezels are still thicker and more expensive.

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                                        Czuba, 09 Feb 2023Nope. LCD aren't easier to repair. Everything depends ... moreBut LCD is much more durable and lasts longer. It also costs less so will be cheaper to replace because of lower part cost. I've never experienced an LCD randomly fail no matter how old but have seen more than once with OLED.

                                        LCD also has much less artifacts. I've noticed OLED noticeably discolouring at higher refresh rate but never with LCD.
                                        Yes OLED looks nice but when considering these issues I'd prefer LCD anyday because 60hz is just not usable anymore. OLED colours may be great at 60hz but are noticeably inaccurate at higher refresh rates. Only advantage is ability to turn of individual pixels but it's an overrated aspect. Other things outweigh this advantage.

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