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  • 15 Apr 2023

Flagship phone but still the front cam doesn't have a 4k 60fps recording

    Marco M, 14 Apr 2023The fact is that our eyes can see a lot more than any curre... moreIs that your argument with a big useless essay? Nothing but a total emotional b s. I expected a good informative counter. I'm in a massive ic development, won't be free for 3 days at least. Wait until then, you'll be regretting yourself for replying an engineer. Since then get some ideas about how our visual works.

      Tech Jesus Gattuso, 13 Apr 2023"Not even 12-bit REC2020 comes close to the limit of t... moreThe fact is that our eyes can see a lot more than any current commercially available displays can reproduce. You have been provided with a graph that shows this very clearly.

      Still, let's go along with the "humans can only clearly differentiate between 1 million colors" thing for a few moments.

      What does that tell us compared to displays capable of showing 16.7 million colors or 1 billion colors? Nothing.

      Because it doesn't tell us the range/volume. The CIE1931 on the other hand does tell us the range of what the human eye can see and on the table I previously provided, you can see just how little that is compared to just what our eyes can see.

      Back to pretending and let's go along with the illogical notion that out of a modern displays ability to reproduce 1 billion colors, we simple humans can only distinguish between 1 million of them. What does this then imply? It implies that even past displays exceeded the capabilities of our vision, so 8-bit (16.7 million) already showed everything we could be able see. Wonderful, right?

      Back to reality. We know that the human eye can clearly see banding on displays limited to 16.7 million colors. Why is this do you think? Even with the optimal calibration, there is still banding when the display is limited to 16.7 million colors. Why is it that this clearly visible banding gets so heavily reduced, it practically disappears, on 10-bit panels capable of reproducing 1 billions colors, that are properly calibrated? If it isn't our capability to see the colors, then what? Because you're suggesting that even a 8-bit panel with it's 16.7 million colors can show 16.7 times the colors we can see, so that means it should have been endgame display technology, yet in the real world it clearly isn't.

      Visible banding in color gradients is just one limitation in modern displays. Another is brightness. And guess what? There are a lot of really bright colors and we are no where close to real world color reproduction.

      This is also the area where QD LCDs and QD OLEDs have the advantage over WOLED, bright colors, but neither comes anywhere close to the limit of our vision. We have a long way to go before we actually get "endgame" panels that goes beyond what are eyes are capable of.

      Simply put. No commercially available display today, can accurately reproduce the complete spectrum the human eye can perceive.

      Since even posting a clear graph showing, among other things, just what portion even future 12-bit Rec2020 displays will be able to reproduce out of the spectrum the human eye can see isn't enough, then I'm not sure if anything will. Because it really isn't very difficult.

        Tech Jesus Gattuso, 13 Apr 2023"Not even 12-bit REC2020 comes close to the limit of t... moreWhat seems to be completely out of your comprehension is the fact that our eyes can see a lot more than any current commercially available displays can reproduce. Being this butthurt because Samsung is lagging behind, so you try to invent fake facts to suggest we can't see it is just wrong.

        If you think that any commercially avaialble screen today, can accurately reproduce all colors the human eye can perceive, you are very much mistaken. Don't take my word for, and since posting a clear graph showing, amongst other things, just what portion even 12-bit rec2020 can reproduce out of the spectrum the human eye can see isn't enough to help your comprehention, then I don't thing anything will.

        Enjoy your limited-to-16.7-million-colors-banding-joke-of-a-modern-day-flagship Samsung S23. You clearly love it so much that facts and reasoning won't work.
        Samsung marketing ftw! ;-)

        Not to worry. I'm sure the S24 lineup will get 10-bit since this has been pointed out by so many reviewers by now.

          Marco M, 11 Apr 2023I like many phones from different brands. Unfortunately not... more"Not even 12-bit REC2020 comes close to the limit of the human eye, let alone sRGB.
          With 8-bit there is clearly visible banding in color gradients. In 10-bit it gets more difficult to see any banding at all, but there are still a lot more we are able to see than it can depict on a 10-bit display. I love progress and look forward to displays that comes closer to what our eyes are able to see in real life. If you're content with less, then good for you."


          Well I don't want waste my time on forum like this with you people, but I still want to correct you bots with many fake claims. If your considered motion photo codecs, then all thing are measure in rgb style of binary number, like 12bit is measured in (2^12)^3, where for Human eyes the case is different. There is no perfect answer for this other than it seems to vary from person to person to differentiate color information. But research has suggested that humans can see as few as under 1M to closer to 10M distinct colors - a wide and clearly uncertain range. Ideally, if you are seeking “perfect color” the answer probably lies somewhere between 18-bit and 24-bit colors. Which is called by true tone. This is one one set of binary measurement, which is either 2^18 or 2^24 What we call 8bit (16 million) color from rgb array in display is 24bit in real life scenario. So the average collection of color information can't even hit the true tone mark.

          This is a complicated question because the biological processes that cause our vision perception happen primarily in the brain, meaning that they are heavily influenced by cognitive-visual processes as opposed to by the retinal cells themselves.

          And the thing more hilarious was you tried define colour space with bitrate of color information. Like seriously.

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            • 13 Apr 2023

            Marco M, 11 Apr 2023I like many phones from different brands. Unfortunately not... moreUnbelievable!! How can one get this much time to reply each comment yet failed to provide a fact!! Hilarious

              When recording video, it is not possible to switch from one camera to another. With which you start the recording, you must also end it. Big shame!

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                • Emran
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                • 12 Apr 2023

                When it will available in Indian market???

                  Anonymous, 02 Mar 2023By looking at your profile it's obvious you're a ... moreI like many phones from different brands. Unfortunately not all exciting phones are easily available here. I hope the newest flagship from Oppo becomes available here, but I live in a market with extreme brand loyalty, Iphone has pretty much he market here, so I don't have too much hope for it to come here. I also hope the next generation of pixels will opt for the IMX989, and a flat display on the pro, which is the one I want. In the past couple of years Xiaomi has been the one to get my money, but that can change any day and almost did change with the pixel 7 pro, but not quite this time around.

                  I think you need to update your knowledge about the capabilities of the human eye. Not all top hits on google are accurate ;-)
                  Some argue that we only see three colors, if you want to be really picky about it, but obviosly there is a range, or more specifically a volume of colors we are able to see.

                  Not even 12-bit REC2020 comes close to the limit of the human eye, let alone sRGB.
                  With 8-bit there is clearly visible banding in color gradients. In 10-bit it gets more difficult to see any banding at all, but there are still a lot more we are able to see than it can depict on a 10-bit display. I love progress and look forward to displays that comes closer to what our eyes are able to see in real life. If you're content with less, then good for you.

                  If you've ever seen a color space depitcted, you've most likely seen a triangle within the CIE 1931. CIE 1931 represents the capacity of the human vision.

                  Example:
                  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/CIE1931xy_gamut_comparison_of_sRGB_P3_Rec2020.svg/800px-CIE1931xy_gamut_comparison_of_sRGB_P3_Rec2020.svg.png

                  While you can see this chart, you can't fully see what it is actually supposed to look like on any display yet.
                  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/CIE1931xy_blank.svg/800px-CIE1931xy_blank.svg.png

                    Anonymous, 02 Mar 2023It's obvious you love Xiaomi strongly with your heart,... moreThe sensor, which is the best available in smartphones to date is average, because a hater said so. Got it :P

                    S24 or 25 might get the IMX 989, so no worries, your favourite brand will get the same, just later.

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                      • Kevin W.
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                      • 11 Apr 2023

                      Hello,
                      Has anyone used this phone with T-Mobile in the US? I know Xiaomi 13 support bandwidth 5G (N41 and N71) but would like to know for ensure is supporting and signal 5G on the phone is not LTE, If I buy it for international version.

                      Existing I have used Xiaomi 11 Lite 5G, but always show 4G LTE (I know this phone has bandwidth only N41)

                      Thank you

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                        • James
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                        • 09 Apr 2023

                        2023 still remain USB2.0! Is time to go for usb3.0

                          Been using Xiaomi 13 for 1 week.

                          Camera has a very fine quality. Main Camera has some pretty good quality and pars with iPhone 13 Pro Max's Main Camera. Selfie Camera feels like an average phone camera but its kinda fine

                          Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, man its a powerhouse. My phone maintained its temperature when I play heavy games like Genshin (Medium to High Graphics) and some MOBA games feel a lot more smoother than ever.

                          Battery is fine with that 4500mah capacity and a 67W Charging Brick.

                          Overall this pretty much pars with iPhone 14 Pro Max and Samsung S23 Ultra. Compared to its price here in PH, Xiaomi 13 and Xiaomi 13 Pro is worth to buy.

                            Furkan, 28 Mar 2023Apple is better better softwareAnd that's all.
                            Nothing else

                              To all the people saying the selfie camera of the xiaomi 13 is really bad, this has been known from the many videos explaining that it exposes the highlight areas and it's just not good. Actually the low light photography of his phone hasn't been a success either. The specs are superb though from what it seems but why the low quality selfie cam and the gorilla glass 5? Too bad also that the 23+ doesn't have normal screen and PPI. Samsung just cheaped out big time here. Companies just let it slide easily despite the high cost

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                                • Anonymous
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                                • 06 Apr 2023

                                I'm torn between Xiaomi 13 and Samsung s23. Was also considering the I[hone 14 but doesn't have AOD and telephoto... so it boils down to these 2. I prefer the minimalist design of the s23 but not so sure if the its too small? i like the wireless charging speed of the X13 and its slightly bigger screen estate but still a compact design but it doesn't have adaptive refresh rate? i'd like to hear your opinions. thanks

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                                  • 05 Apr 2023

                                  Amirreza , 03 Apr 2023It's a fabulous phone looking beautiful and modern wit... moreInflation and everything. Still it's not yet available to most region other than Europe. Waiting for it. Finally find the replacement of legendary Snapdragon 865/870.

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                                    • 03 Apr 2023

                                    It's a fabulous phone looking beautiful and modern with great hardware and cameras, BUT the global version is double the price of the Chinese one and it lacks most of the features of the chinese version of MIUI 14. I don't think this is gonna work for Xiaomi. 13Lite is half the price of 13 in it's global version. What is wrong with Xiaomi and the pricing of these phones?

                                      M-A, 24 Mar 2023For this price I buy an iPhone 14 which is better. 500 € ... moreXiaomi 13 have much better display better camera and faster charging than the iphone 14

                                        ChrisK, 28 Mar 2023I have xiaomi 12 which has gorilla victus and Xiaomi 13 has... moreYes but Xiaomi 13 have better display better thermal management slightly better battery life and faster charging speed (wired wireless and reverse wireless).