Sony Xperia Pro-I brings 1.0-inch sensor and variable f/2.0-4.0 aperture
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- Kiril
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- 06 Nov 2021
Vegetaholic, 05 Nov 2021What a joke as usual. I bet it will not beat Mi 11 Ultrq an... moreMi 11 Ultra I s touted as the worst phone of the year. That is very hard to beat. Lots of advertising and dismal results sums it up for Xiaomi flagship. They cannot stack up to Huawei, Samsung or Apple yet the asking price was not low.
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- Vegetaholic
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- 05 Nov 2021
What a joke as usual. I bet it will not beat Mi 11 Ultrq and 1700 euros its just insult to top up entire Sony Mobile division.
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- 28 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 28 Oct 2021Yes, it's not the first time that Sony lied. They were... moreErr u got it wrong. Xperia 1ii/5ii tele using 20mp at 50mm eq. Then cropped to 70mm eq. & downscale the res to 12mp.
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- 28 Oct 2021
As a travel photographer this would have replaced my point and shoot camera that I take along when the situation doesn't warrant my heavy Fujifilm camera but it's too big. Hope the release compact phone with the same specs
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- Nick Tegrataker
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- 28 Oct 2021
Nick Tegrataker, 28 Oct 2021If you're just talking about the "equivalent"... moreMy bad, the physical focal length would be also the same in this case.
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- 28 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 27 Oct 2021See this is the thing whith approach like that. Cropping of... moreIf you're just talking about the "equivalent" focal lengths (which are all about the field of view, not the physical distance between the lens and the sensor surface), then they are not different.
"you will see a big difference in frame composition"
As long as those phone cameras have an identical field of view at "1x" (which they don't), they shouldn't show any difference in frame composition.
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- Nick Tegrataker
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- 28 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 28 Oct 2021Yes, it's not the first time that Sony lied. They were... moreThe RAW file from Xperia 1 II's telephoto camera has a resolution of 13.7MP, while the JPEG (of exactly the same field of view) gets downscaled to 12.2MP - I have no idea where you got all those figures from, and I'm suspecting that either your math or assumption is quite far off.
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- 28 Oct 2021
Lucas N82, 28 Oct 2021No one care :) (wait for full spec). Check James Matthews Y... more"No one care"
What the ****? Of course we care and if you should, too. Full specs have been already revealed as well, with some misleading details as well (like how they describe it as a Type 1 12MP sensor in the spec sheet).
"just sweep the all competition"
"now king of the night"
Lmao, please.
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- 28 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 27 Oct 2021I'm still holding onto an Xperia Z Ultra. 6.44 inches ... moreThat was a beast of a phone for the day. Great!
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- gBV
- 28 Oct 2021
I can't believe what nonsense Amazon's subsite Dpreview writes about sharper images due to a larger pixel size. Really bad journalism.
If a lens totally outresolves a small sensor, then I don't get sharper (I am not talking about the signal to noise ratio) images with a larger sensor and with the same lens. And smartphone lenses do outresolve camera sensors without any issues in the center of the frame. Furthermore, small sensors very often do not use the same lenses as large sensors, for example there are lenses that were made for Aps-c cameras. They can give you a sharper result than using a full frame lens on an Aps-c camera. And by the way, there are many soft lenses for large sensors.
Regarding the angular resolution, it's even the opposite: A smaller pixel size will lead to more details from a distant object, if the same lens is used.
So the larger pixels argument is pure marketing nonsense from Amazon's subsite Dpreview.
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- Lucas N82
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- 28 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 28 Oct 2021Yes, it's not the first time that Sony lied. They were... moreNo one care :) (wait for full spec). Check James Matthews YT channel and watch how Xperia Pro-I record video in 120fps in 4K at night. ISO2500 and it is crisp and near zero noise. Xperia Pro-I just sweep the all competition. Xiaomi, Apple, Samsung at now looks like toys :)
Xperia Pro-I is now king of the night.
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- Anonymous
- gBV
- 28 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 28 Oct 2021Yes, it's not the first time that Sony lied. They were... moreWho knows, maybe they are also lying about the specs of the 50mm camera of the Pro-I.
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- Anonymous
- gBV
- 28 Oct 2021
Nick Tegrataker, 26 Oct 2021"Their website even doesn't seem to mention this ... moreYes, it's not the first time that Sony lied. They were also lying about the effective sensor size of the Xperia 1 II tele camera. Sadly, gsmarena didn't mention this in their Xperia 1 II review.
They use a 9 megapixel 9mm² crop of the 12mm² tele camera sensor in order to achieve a 70mm field of view, but they advertised a 12 megapixel 70mm tele with 12mm² sensor.
And regarding the Pro-I, even focal length = 24mm is a lie. The focal length isn't 24mm, the field of view (expressed in mm) is 24mm.
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- Anonymous
- gBV
- 28 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 27 Oct 2021See this is the thing whith approach like that. Cropping of... more"Compare S21 digital 3x and Mi11 Ultra digital 3x crops to phones with physical lens for 3x and you will see a big difference in frame composition."
That's nonsense. There is no such thing as "physical lens for 3x". "3x", etc are NOT physical specifications. Physical specifications are the focal length, the effective diameter, the number of pixels, pixel size, the image circle, etc. "3x" tells you nothing about these things. It could be even possible that a "3x" smartphone camera has an image circle that could be also used for a "1x" or 2x" camera.
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- Anonymous
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- 27 Oct 2021
Samath N8 808 owner, 27 Oct 2021I really think they must use the 1 inch sensor completely e... moreI like your idea.
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- Lucas N82
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- 27 Oct 2021
Xperia 1 and 5 amazing tracking and low light:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhXrC2XPTrE
I think Pro-I will be 2-3 times better and that will be gamechanger. Finally reasonably good movies at night?
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- Samath N8 808 owner
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- 27 Oct 2021
Anonymous, 27 Oct 2021See this is the thing whith approach like that. Cropping of... moreTotally agreed with each fact you said. I know barrel distortion is not crop-able.
But with the size/ thickness limitation on most phones, we have no choice. Look at this Pro-I phone, it skipped on a decent 3x telephoto and my best guess is, its due to this 1 inch monster sensor occupying its own space.
I put forward my idea, keeping in mind that when you increase sensor size, you're naturally looking at a wider photo, (provided lens remains unchanged) so maybe it could work out in a thinner frame... because lens is largely unchanged?
That's 2 cameras reduced to a single, good one, although ultra wide angle will work better than a normal one, in this idea, which is mighty odd.
In the end its all about a size-performance balance... Clever ideas may help a little, here and there..
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- jason
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- 27 Oct 2021
I am ready for 1" sensors to become mainstream.
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- Anonymous
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- 27 Oct 2021
Samath N8 808 owner, 27 Oct 2021I really think they must use the 1 inch sensor completely e... moreSee this is the thing whith approach like that. Cropping off sensor does not give real focal length equivalent. That is the most apparent on Samsung S21 which crops off the main sensor for it's telephoto. Compare S21 digital 3x and Mi11 Ultra digital 3x crops to phones with physical lens for 3x and you will see a big difference in frame composition.
I agree they could have slapped 19mm lens like Sharp and Leice did and then just crop to get to 24mm equivalent but it's simply not the same. I mean it would be the same for like 95% of the people but these 5% people who are most likely to buy this.
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- Samath N8 808 owner
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- 27 Oct 2021
I really think they must use the 1 inch sensor completely even if it results in slightly bigger, thicker smartphone.
In fact, its better if 1 inch mode uses ultra wide angle, and a cropped version of the same image is used as regular (main) camera. This way they can fit in a smaller lens to adjust for the huge sensor.
Also, 2 things will be handled by one very good camera. Telephoto can be separate.