Apple M2 series of chipset may feature an Extreme model with 48 CPU and 128 GPU cores
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m.darwich, 16 Mar 2022These chips are used for servers or extreme video editing (... moreFor servers there are a lot of better CPUs, see my previous posts
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Lolipoli, 16 Mar 2022M2 Extreme Geekbench 5 multi-core: 50000Well, there are overclocked AMD machines in the 70k range in that benchmark, so...
And the new threadripper 5995 will also be above 50k
Just compare passmark:
M1 Studio: 41k
Threadripper pro 5995WX: 108k
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
So, no chance with your assumpted future M2 extreme result of 2x M1 ultra.
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Anonymous, 17 Mar 2022Google it and you can run Linux on Mac OS without needing t... moreOh you mean the pre-alpha with backwards-engineered drivers? Well, good luck with that, let's hope in 10 years it wont be stuck in that phase as long as the ReactOS project is nowadays. Just as an example...
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Anonymous, 18 Mar 2022Have you even seen MacBook Pro with M1 max throttle in some... moreStill valid for their phones though. Even if the new Snapdragons also tend to throttle quite fast, a 870/865 is much more stable, though not the same peak performance.
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Akashi Seijuro, 17 Mar 2022Some people really underestimate Apple's M series sili... moreSure, but only with interchangeable/expandable RAM and SSD possibility, unlike the apple bandits with their glued together M SoC
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Akashi Seijuro, 17 Mar 2022While it did not need liquid nitrogen, they certainly requi... moreWhile ARM has potential, I think the whole comparisons which are hyped are very one-sided clearly. No debate about it's efficiency, but:
Performance-wise even the m1 ultra looses big time against an rtx 3090 equipped current gen windows machine in every 3D workload like 3D-modelling/rendering. Also on compiling, compressing tasks and so on. Not even talking about gaming. It really only wins in video editing (against a non-sli desktop) because of the optimized video encoders for certain video codecs and its dedicated media engine on the SoC. And suddently everyone seems to be a semi-pro video editor... Also, the often stated geekbench comes out of the apple universe (it was developped by an apple tech community initially, and still counts the benchmark criterias in favour of the apple A/M chips). I'd use passmark for a more unbiased comparison.
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Akashi Seijuro, 17 Mar 20221. Macs are clearly not meant for intense/super heavy gamin... moreARM needs a lot of optimizations and task related chip designt, hence the advantage in power efficiency. X86 is a "throw everything on me and i'll work with it" design, both have their pro's and cons and both get more efficient with time. I wonder how well an intel core i9 would do if they had access to a 5nm design and use the same die-size and memory bandwidth. The efficiency wouldn't differ that much anymore.
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AnonD-731363, 17 Mar 2022Fastest chip on paper great but throttling like every other... moreHave you even seen MacBook Pro with M1 max throttle in some test?
These are not intel chips any more
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Fastest chip on paper great but throttling like every other from Apple made by taiwanese company TSMC.
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"Ultra" is nowhere near twice as fast as "Max", more like 60% faster, so even if they manage the same efficiency doubling "Ultra", "Extreme" will only be around twice as fast as "Max", using 4x the silicon.
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dude111, 16 Mar 2022Riiiiight Because neither intel nor amd are launching pr... moreWell AMD already did release 100+ cores & threads server cpu.
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AnonF-1006353, 16 Mar 2022Can you install any linux distribution natively on your mac... moreGoogle it and you can run Linux on Mac OS without needing to use VM. Unless you're stupid troll 😎
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Some people really underestimate Apple's M series silicon so much here, so I wonder what led Intel and AMD to their decision of investing in making ARM-based chips in the future, if it's really not Apple who caused it.
While it is true that not all programs are yet optimized on Apple's new ARM architecture, it is at least something that we can guarantee to change compared to other chipmakers being able to make SoCs that are better than what Apple offers. Can't we just admit the fact that ARM is the future already? It's more efficient and has less bottlenecks on hardware due to more modern structure.
We can keep x86 computers alive to simply run the programs that are no longer compatible with ARM computers, but otherwise the general computer users would simply appreciate ARM-based machines more, especially if they're not totally concerned about gaming at all.
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AnonF-1006353, 16 Mar 2022Ever heard of the amd threadripper and epyc? They already h... moreWhile it did not need liquid nitrogen, they certainly required much beefier cooling system than a usual gaming PC.
Still, Apple's Mac Pro M1 Max only needed a standard thermal paste and air cooling to keep it running cool, and the results always show better overall performance for the tasks that is well-optimized for the new ARM silicon.
Also, the M1 series could run virtualized version of Windows on ARM perfectly well and maintains really good performance despite the handicap, and that alone speaks up a lot about the potential of these ARM-based SoCs for future computing machines.
Not all programs are optimized for the M series silicon just yet, but once they get to be, they'll surely work flawlessly well and super fast on the Apple M silicon platform.
Regardless, if it's not what Apple did, then I wonder what gave Microsoft the urge to re-structure their Windows on ARM again after a few years of almost no development for it, and also what gave AMD, Intel, and many other chipmakers to invest in making ARM-based computer chips in the future. Surely it's not Apple, right???
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Anonymous, 16 Mar 2022gaming laptops to beat m1 macbook for what ?
in gaming obv... more1. Macs are clearly not meant for intense/super heavy gaming, hence Windows computers are indeed the way to go.
2. More and more programs will surely be supported in the future, and therefore there will be more applications where Apple's ARM-based SoCs will perform better than x86-based Windows Computers sooner or later. Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that Windows computer machine manufacturers will have to adopt to the new ARM architechture if they want to keep up with the lead that Apple has taken with the M series silicons. Also, just imagine how much more performance can we get if the best GPUs in the Windows PC world right now were running on a much more energy efficient ARM architechture.
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sixtymes, 16 Mar 2022more cores is the only way they can keep up with Intel and amdRiiiiight
Because neither intel nor amd are launching products with more and more cores.
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Xina John, 16 Mar 2022Yep, however they are significantly less power efficient &a... moreWhile true, there will always be some geeks who will at least alter the OS to make it able to run in a VM, and maybe will add their own drivers and libs for other arm or x86/64 support
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Xina John, 16 Mar 2022You can via the Asahi project, it allows you to run linux o... moreNow that seems like a fair benchmarking platform, same OS for both, apple arm and amd/intel x64 hardware