Qualcomm to announce the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 on October 24
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- Anonymous
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- 20 Oct 2023
Anonymous, 04 Jun 2023"However, Qualcomm has much better drivers and softwar... moreThe dead true. Qualcomm is very expensive but it rules and smoke everyone until now.
Not only better drivers, so it runs smoothly, and better implemented for games, but also huge cooperation with Google and phone brands ( well lot of money from each stakeholder for sure that's how the world is working...)
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- Anonymous
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- 20 Oct 2023
So much unreliable news about 8gen3....
Is it 3nm or 4nm ? I hardly believe this leak that it'll be on two.
And If it's 4nm, it's a fail, compared to Apple's bionic now in 3nm.
I don't care GPU, it sucks battery and I don't game. But I care fast cpu and moreover, excellent battery life. Which only 3nm can deliver now.
I Wonder also on which phone it'll be used.. If s24 is Exynos, huge failure again. If inside limited Chinese fakegen3 version, fail again.
So, idk... Can be great, can be sh.t.
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- Anonymous
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- 18 Oct 2023
Anonymous, 18 Sep 2023... and eventually you see a fantastic performance increase... moreI mean it's going to nearly triple in performance cameras better and battery will be miles better, if you have good 5g coverage itll be around 200 Mbps more you'll get 2% is a lie, compared to your current ultra more like 100%
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- 19 Sep 2023
Anonymous, 18 Sep 2023Sure I'm really waiting for 8K videorecording on my 6.... morethese days premium phones get to have a glass lens. Mostly chinese flagships but still if thats the only thing that comes to your mind as a downfall then they have got you covered.
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- Anonymous
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- 18 Sep 2023
Jeffrey Kyle Jackson, 18 Jun 2023Probably, Gen 3 will have an ability to 8K 60 Hz. Video Cam... moreSure I'm really waiting for 8K videorecording on my 6.8" phone so I can play it back on my 4K UHD @30Hz 55"smart TV. So I can see the smearing and lack of details of that crappy plastic lens on that 400MP camera even better. Oh dear.
Don't these bozo's realize that eyesight deteriorate when you get older? Don't they understand that 8K on a tiny 6.8" screen is completely useless? Don't they get it that +200MP sensors behind crappy plastic optics is stupid? DO these engineers even USE the crap they design? Oh dear.
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- Anonymous
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- 18 Sep 2023
Jeffrey Kyle Jackson, 18 Jun 2023On the other hand, Snapdragon Gen 4 must have Tetradeca Cor... more... and eventually you see a fantastic performance increase of 2%. WOW!
I think I'm gonna play a bit longer with my S21 Ultra 5G for now. :-/
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Jeffrey Kyle Jackson, 18 Jun 2023On the other hand, Snapdragon Gen 4 must have Tetradeca Cor... morelol
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- 18 Jun 2023
On the other hand, Snapdragon Gen 4 must have Tetradeca Cores with 2+4+4+4 strategy... 2 x 5.2 ghz + 4 x 4 Ghz + 4 x 3.2 Ghz +4 x 1.6 Ghz... Snapdragon Gen 4 will be come insanely high performance with, ultra low energy comsuption.
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- 18 Jun 2023
Probably, Gen 3 will have an ability to 8K 60 Hz. Video Camera Recording. If not, Snapdragon Gen 3 Ultra Edition will do it. We need 8K 120 Fps Cameras on Phones, fellows.
- Kangal
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- 07 Jun 2023
Anonymous, 06 Jun 2023"Sorry it's not true, Geekerwan did a test on thi... moreI don't know why you think you have to defend MediaTek, because you don't.
You should not shill for these companies. It's simply a matter of fact that Qualcomm is ahead when it comes to cohesion between the software and hardware. That's not to say it was always that way, or it will stay that way. There's simply no need for me to try to "cherry pick" data when I'm not the only one to make this observation. But you are free to believe in whatever you want, even if there is evidence against it, as long as you understand the ramifications.
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- Anonymous
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- 06 Jun 2023
Kangal, 04 Jun 2023Sorry it's not true, Geekerwan did a test on this a wh... more"Sorry it's not true, Geekerwan did a test on this a while ago.
If you want to test it yourself,.............."
You're cherry picking a test to prove you're point
You fail to see the general quality of ARM Mali is catching up
- Kangal
- 2Cy
- 04 Jun 2023
Anonymous, 04 Jun 2023"However, Qualcomm has much better drivers and softwar... moreSorry it's not true, Geekerwan did a test on this a while ago.
If you want to test it yourself, try running x4 Pixels, on Super Mario Galaxy 2, from the Wii, using Dolphin Emulator. Compare the performance between Qualcomm Snapdragon versus a MediaTek Dimensity chipset. There's much less stutters on QSD, you have a higher framerate, lower temperature, and usually lower energy usage. It comes down to the drivers.
This is not a knock on the likes of MediaTek. They've come a long way since their bad Helio days. But they simply don't have the investments that Qualcomm has into the software side of things. And there is a good reason for that, MediaTek is scared that Chinese Companies are going to steal and copy their enhancements, optimisations, and code. So much so that they are willing to engage in that behaviour themselves, and to break GPL International Law. But they know this is not sustainable for OEMs in Western Markets, so they have been improving but they are FAR from perfect.
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- Anonymous
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- 04 Jun 2023
Kangal, 03 Jun 2023There's a lot of misconceptions here.
Qualcomm does... more"However, Qualcomm has much better drivers and software than MediaTek, better support, and they also have better co-processors from the GPU, NPU, DSP, Radios, so they will overall be the better option. Price wise they will both be equal in the final price of the devices."
This is the part that's *NOT* 100% true anymore
*WAS* true 10 years ago, but mediatek manage to catch up.
On the *GPU* side, the firmware/software is on the same par.
On the *MODEM* side, In early 5G, mediatek have better 5G than qualcomm especially in sub-6. Qualcomm always manage to "reduce" the sub-6 capability because Qualcomm were the main benefector on mmWave. Even in 4G era, Qualcomm also have a big failure in modem. Qualcomm LTE-U is a big failure, and none use it now.
Just a side note,
ALL 3 of South Korean carrier failed to implement the mmWave, and their license have been revoked. mmWave is failuring and no mainstream media coverage about this failure.
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- 03 Jun 2023
Anonymous, 03 Jun 2023How's camera horrible in those, especially Sony, which... moreSony's camera sucks. My friend and I did Sony 1 IV face to face comparison and Sony's night mode was like from 2018. Colours are more natural on Pixel.
Yeah, but I love Pixel's smart features. And also one of the best update policy.
About those years, this Pixel is going to be two years old in October and I don't feel like changing it. Still 100% fluent and I love new smarts that Pixel's quarterly updates bring. Looking forward for June's.
Still going to get 2 new OSes (14 and 15). And like two years of continuous month to month updates (even though being sometimes a little late - a week or two, max three).
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- Anonymous
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- 03 Jun 2023
skoda9635, 03 Jun 2023Horrible cameras and software and software support in all o... moreHow's camera horrible in those, especially Sony, which is widely praised? Also, software on those are very stock like. software support is 2-3 years which is more than enough. What are you gonna do with all those years of support? What benefit is there? Nothing. Rather, too much updates slow down phones.
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- 03 Jun 2023
There's a lot of misconceptions here.
Qualcomm doesn't need to change much going from their 1+(2+2)+3 configuration into a 1+5+2 configuration.
Qualcomm doesn't need to change much going from TSMC-5nm to +5nm-TSMC (aka TSMC "4nm"). In that case, this new chip will be very very similar to the QC 8g2, you can basically call it the QC 8g2+. It will be the difference similar to an underclocked QSD 865 versus an overclocked QSD 870... not much.
So this will be pretty slow and inefficient. The new node TSMC-3nm is much more advanced. The difference is about as big as Samsung-5nm versus TSMC-5nm. So if we get a "4nm" offering, we are getting ripped-off and better to wait for the 3nm version. But there is a very good probability that we will in fact get the 3nm version, thanks to competition from MediaTek.
MediaTek is going all-in with TSMC-3nm, so their next flagship will be the Dimensity 9300 or D9500. This could be more efficient and faster than Qualcomm, if Qualcomm decides to be cheap on the silicon (+5nm). If Qualcomm does not (3nm), they will be equal. However, Qualcomm has much better drivers and software than MediaTek, better support, and they also have better co-processors from the GPU, NPU, DSP, Radios, so they will overall be the better option. Price wise they will both be equal in the final price of the devices.
I am all-for having a 12-month cycle of upgrading our technology. That includes the lithography improvements, as well as the architectural improvements, and the software/AndroidOS. But we have seen a diminishing returns since around 2018. So we get several years of deep-stagnation then one year of a huge leap, and sprinkled in there are a couple years of decent upgrades. It's a mess. Perhaps it can be a little streamlined and improved, maybe with an 1-2-3 cadence. 1-Process (new TSMC node), next-year 2-Architecture (new ARM core), then third-year 3-Optimisation (new major feature in AndroidOS). That way every year you get a decent upgrade, and phone owners should aim to upgrade every 3 Years to stay modern in that cadence.
Data Processing in Android is very weird. The Cortex-A53 cores (and their successors) run anywhere from a frequency of 100MHz (deep sleep), to 1.0GHz (static) to 2.1GHz (max). Then there is a performance penalty as the next cores get activated, the Cortex-A73 (and it's successors) will start operation anywhere between 1.5GHz (initialising) to 2.7GHz (max), there is an overlap between the small cores and the medium cores here, and un-intuitively it is actually the medium cores that are saving energy for the device, since the small cores are inefficient at the higher clockspeeds and don't perform many calculations. There is also the Cortex-X1 (and it's successors) and these are the big cores. Usually only a single, and they are built for single-core performance and to be used as a Turbo Mode to give separate bursts of calculations. They initialise around 2.5GHz and are always more inefficient than the middle-cores, and turbo upto 3.3GHz max. Again there's a performance hit with thread scheduling and handling due to the latency, but this raw power can help smooth the operation. But it does mean your device will eat into your thermal budget and drain batteries fairly quickly.
The way that Apple does it's processing is more simple but more elegant. It has Four smallish cores that can enter deep sleep like Cortex-A53, but they can clock much further higher, and have much better performance and efficiency, similar to the Cortex-A73. They effectively act like hybrid of the two, but much better since they can clock more finely, to meet the needs of the software. Also there is no latency penalty. Now they also have two big cores, but they actually initialise much lower in frequency and can clock fairly high. This is more like a hybrid of Cortex-A73 and Cortex-X1. Again allowing for more fine grain use of frequency (ergo voltages) it can get the calculations done with far less energy. There is a small latency hit, but it's well worth it. And the way Apple sets their chips behaviour, is to get the hard calculations be solved as soon as possible, then it will deactivate the large cores, and clock down the frequency of the smaller cores. Race to Idle is what they call it. It is brilliant, but very hard to implement it perfect, but Apple can do this because they have tons of data, they control the hardware (A14), the software (iOS), and the ecosystem (Apps). It is theoretically possible for Android to follow this path, with perhaps a design like 2+4 (Cortex-X3 and Cortex-A720), where they make modifications to have Cortex-X3 (2.5GHz to 1.5GHz) and to Cortex-A720 (2.0GHz to 0.5GHz to Deep Sleep), it likely will look horrible on-paper, theoretically, and in synthetic benchmarks BUT it would look good in-practice and real-world conditions. And it could be a springboard to building the next generation of chipsets to be more custom and better at this style of processing.
Android, Google, and Qualcomm cannot beat Apple or match them, as they are now. Firstly, there is the philosophy difference in their operation. Between Race-to-Idle versus whatever Android does, which can be a bit Wild-Wild-West. Secondly, Apple tends to "waste" a lot of silicon on their chips. Each of their chipsets are significantly larger than Qualcomm's, which means they cost more to produce. But if you do the maths the manufacturing difference is like a difference between $50 versus $80. So this $30 price can easily be accommodated in the final price of the phone, but we see iPhones at lower prices than some Android Flagships, and sometimes much more than Android Flagships. Overall, the chipset cost isn't a major factor, it's more about how much money the OEM can persuade consumers to part with their cash. Thirdly, Apple uses a lower-level coding (native/semi-native) that is closer to the metal/silicon. It's much more efficient than Android which requires using a higher-level coding to ensure compatibility with many more device variants. There is some native coding in Android and JIT, but these need to be coded properly by the developer, and account for portions of the code within a standalone App. Overall, Apple simply has more research and investment to have phones with more efficiency and performance than Android devices. It's true. I admit that is usually the final result, even as an Android user, because I know that is only one factor of the overall experience (in many other factors Android has advantages that better fit my personal needs). There are (rare) times that Android devices have better performance and better battery life, but this is achieved with having much more powerful chipset and having a much larger capacity battery.
Game companies like Sony, Xbox, and especially Nintendo are seeing less and less return from the likes of native performance. Game Streaming is becoming a big thing as we see the global rollout of Fibre and 5G connections. Within the next decade we should see the abandonment of obsolete connections like ADSL and 4G. It is a much more lucrative position for these companies to offer you a subscription service, rather than sell you a physical game and hardware. So what becomes more important is owning the actual talent, the game studios, which make these big box office titles. So we will likely see this, just like we have Netflix (Sony), Disney+ (Nintendo), and Amazon Studios (Xbox) and then a bunch of other smaller streaming services like HBO (Valve), Hulu (Epic), Apple TV (EA), Qiyi (Tencent), and more.
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- 03 Jun 2023
BMHater12, 03 Jun 2023If it's Samsung fab, it'll be an absolute dumpster fireI doubt they'll make the same mistake again. Gen 1 had issues. Gen 2 performed well and was used by Samsung. I can't see them going back now.
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- 03 Jun 2023
SMIRNAS, 03 Jun 2023i hope it'll use TSMC fabIf it's Samsung fab, it'll be an absolute dumpster fire
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- 03 Jun 2023
omzig, 02 Jun 2023jeez Qualcomm, where are all the midrangers?? 695 is what w... moreit's 7