Samsung to begin making 7nm chips in early 2018
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- AnonD-244086
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- 25 May 2017
Anonymous, 25 Jan 201710nm in 2020? Hello. SD835 is already 10nm. Welcome to 2017... morepast is history,present is past,future is now
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- 4Js
- 26 Jan 2017
This is great. And we will have next generation processors and graphics units then too. More powerful and efficient components on a smaller node allowing further gains of efficiency and power.
And we are already in a decent spot. Video decoding and encoding, especially vr, just amount a few things are going to only get so much better
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- 6v{
- 26 Jan 2017
I have been concerned by many of the comments asking "when are we going to see smaller transistors?" for a more interesting view, try looking into quantum processing instead.
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- 6v{
- 26 Jan 2017
Anonymous, 25 Jan 2017Actually it is 5nm, then 350pm (3.5nm), then 250pm (2.5nm),... moreNice comment
Although you can't "keep moore law alive by adding more transistors" to the 3d, this has been a subject of arguing since the 70's, That is like adding transistors of the same efficiency factor anyway which translates to less efficiency but more performance and more power consumption, you are simply doubling them, that is not easy with power limitations because we (especially when we talk about smartphones) NEED maximum efficiency, you can't take that by simply making an IC (or what most call chips) bigger as well because of size limitations (yes even thickness) you have several different functioning chips crammed in a pretty small mobo, isp amp dac etc etc , considering these 2 makes the traditional way always better for manufacturers (like it was all the time) :)
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- 26 Jan 2017
Julliard, 25 Jan 2017Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory has successfully buil... moreThere is a difference between "mass producing" and "research and development" thus you can't compare labs' work to massive companies' work
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- IronHeart8
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- 25 Jan 2017
Just assuming five years down the line, what will be the standard? 1nm, is that possible. What after that?
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- Anonymous
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- 25 Jan 2017
AnonD-39937, 25 Jan 20177nm? already? in 2018? this is crazy,I knew 10nm will be ti... more10nm in 2020? Hello. SD835 is already 10nm. Welcome to 2017 & happy new year to you. Check your calender.
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- Anonymous
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- 25 Jan 2017
early or late 2018?!, 25 Jan 20172 months ago, samsung said that its 7nm process would be re... moreDon't worry, at least you can always rely on, coming to a story about Samsung on gsma, only to be fed horse sh*t about aple, whose only future is gsma perpetually mentioning the note 7 with the word fiasco, at every oportunity, they INVENT.
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- early or late 2018?!
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- 25 Jan 2017
2 months ago, samsung said that its 7nm process would be ready at late 2018!
So how come they have improved the schedule so fast?!
How could I believe that?!
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- Anonymous
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- 25 Jan 2017
Anonymous, 24 Jan 2017Well, that escalated quickly. Then 5nm is next according to... moreActually it is 5nm, then 350pm (3.5nm), then 250pm (2.5nm), then 180pm (1.8nm), then 180pm (1.3nm) and lastly 90pm (0.9 nm) ... so we're at least 6 nodes until we reach ~1nm ...
Each node is about 1.4 times smaller than then last (in each direction, about 2x in area surface). So if your 1nm "prophecy" was correct current practices would takes us at least 'till mid '30s ...
Unfortunately that seems not be the case, according to talk in the industry 5nm would be the least node and will be build around '20-'21 ... of course that's not necessarily the end of moore's law (which merely states an exponential doubling of transistor count), merely one of its engines would falter. You would *still* be able to keep Moore's law alive by adding transistors in the 3rd dimension. Say instead of 0.5mm thick chips, we create 1mm chip and *bam* we have twice the transistor count. That may continue for a couple of more decades ... until chips would seem more like cubes ... by then we would indeed have reached the end of Moore's law in electronic computers. But hopefully we'd have already moved to other types of computers (hopefully).
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- AnonD-536990
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- 25 Jan 2017
Anonymous, 25 Jan 2017You watch too many cartoons. It means nothing.And you haven't watched any cartoons during your youth! Your sense of humor is zero
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- Anonymous
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- 25 Jan 2017
Why highlight EUV when power and performance are more important? They usually report those to indicate progress.
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- krW
- 25 Jan 2017
Anonymous, 25 Jan 2017... with ARM A53 xD which will consume more power than the ... moreYou obviously missed the point and didn't realize what you were saying
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- 25 Jan 2017
Anonymous, 24 Jan 2017You do know that most of the energy is ised by the screen (... moreAnd the 3G chip...
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- 25 Jan 2017
Are you sure, making 7nm chip? How many percent can be use? That's must be have some failure units, will they recycle the failure units to saving cost?
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- 25 Jan 2017
7nm? already? in 2018? this is crazy,I knew 10nm will be till 2020...
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- Anonymous
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- 25 Jan 2017
Jimmy chow, 25 Jan 20177... I don't like the sound of that You watch too many cartoons. It means nothing.
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- 25 Jan 2017
Julliard, 25 Jan 2017Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory has successfully buil... moreI think it comes down to what can be mass produced at this stage.
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- 3SL
- 25 Jan 2017
Anonymous, 24 Jan 2017Good news. That means in 10 months from now we will have mi... more... with ARM A53 xD which will consume more power than the high end chips delivering multiple times better performance
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- 3SL
- 25 Jan 2017
illusioconciens, 24 Jan 2017And Apple? Where is Apple? There's no Apple hardware deve... moreThey cooperate with TSMC. It's because Apple doesn't have a factory for chips, but most of the part is developed by Apple. TSMC only makes the manufacturing process which is described here