Sony Ericsson P1 finally here
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- viperkid
- vpd
- 12 May 2007
papa:
pardon me but d figures and rankings below r FACTS we need to accept whether we like it or not, SE fans, moto fans, nokia fans, lg fans, samsung fans and d like hav no choice but to understand d situation why d rankings are dat way
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=501734
never did i say dat was for 2007 but im sure figures are for both worldwide mobile units sold in 4Q 2006 and overall 2006 sales of each company. im not trying to fool everyone, its kinda like vice versa (unless u can find and post a link with genuine facts dat SE is already the no. 2 handset maker in d world AFAYInvented). d figures r not for 2005 either! i sense another story maker, hmmm..
(1) nokia = 34.8%
(2) motorola = 21.1%
(3) samsung = 11.8%
(4) sony ericsson = 7.4%
(5) lg = 6.3%
post ur links dat SE is d #2 maker now [AFAYI] so every1 wil believe u. all talk no proofs LOL!
i understand, truth really sometimes hurt.. SE is d number 4 handset maker (2006 overall worldwide) and beaten by samsung and motorola, whether u like it or not.
patiently waiting for ur links
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- viperkid
- vpd
- 12 May 2007
kenny (part 2/2):
re n93/n93i, pls pls NEVER put words in my mouth, can u pretty please point or copy paste and even highlight in this forum dat i TOTALLY meant dat N93i was made to "be able to improve and add the features" ALONE. at least u again, answered ur very own question, d "feature" i posted is generalized, it can b for software/hardware/function feature like larger fonts, lessened noised reduction and faster performance. reminder, here's wat i said:
"dat "i" version of N93 is nokia's move to make d device more compact and not bcoz of fixed serious software instability"
dat's y i never said new feature alone (or for ur convenience, software and hardware); dimensions of N93i and N93, look closely:
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=1551&idPhone1=1823
definitely not a bad example of improvement in reducing its dimensions. u said:
"N93i is a bad example of improvement in hardware coz NOTHING really has CHANGED, generally speaking N93 have only improved the screen to 16M while reducing the battery capacity to less than 1000mAh so is there really any improvements?"
r u sure nothing has changed? wat do u call d change in dimensions, font size, less noise in video focusing on audio, etc? oh yeah, u even contradicted ur statements and answered only improved screen to 16M lol! and yes, nokia improved its firmware too!
http://darlamack.blogs.com/darlamack/2007/01/nokia_n93i_prev.html
http://www.ringnokia.com/2007/02/video_the_n93i_.html
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/reviews/item/Nokia_N93i.php
http://www.symbian-freak.com/reviews/n93vsn93i/n93_vs_n93i.htm
i guess u haven't done ur homework again.. at least u r proud of SE being able to improve its firmware in UIQ3 by incldng an option for turning animations off RATHER than concentrating and prioritize d elimination of its major glitches, bugs and implementing d right mix of hardware like sufficient RAM (esp. in P990s case) for better utilization of its features at least.
at least nokia did not release a phone to d market with lots and tons of firmware/software issues as SE did with P990 not to mention its insufficient hardware implementation, everybody knows dat.
camera, dat's ur opinion, im sure not every1 agrees to dat (esp. with new N95 firmware). big prints matters too, pixels pixels.. N95 is better than K800 in d camera dept (not in all) but in some cases:
http://staira.com/id/668/
re RAM specs of m600, w950, p990, N95, N76, first of all im not asking u. back to d matter, i hav no recourse but to compare those bcoz d latter SE models were d latest available. i disagree to compare present with future models as it is like comparing a cooked viand to an unthawed piece of meat. its best to compare current available devices, y? coz new technology (software, hardware) is emerging fast, comparing said is not feasible! im left with no choice, so dat's d best scenario i can think of. and again, u answered ur question (i lost count) nokia persevered to dat logic coz dey knew dat including menu transitions in S60 3.0 devices like 3250, N73 would hav coz RAM issues and result into problems, consequently bring brand degration and negative impressions which happened to SE with P990 and left with no choice of including an option to turn off such menu transitions.
processors and RAM, tnx for being with me, u hav no choice but to accept d fact dat dey MUST work hand by hand. system halts/hanging are a norm if a device hav low processor speed and large RAM. editing spreadsheets, word would hav been faster with SE's current processor in UIQ3 devices, fast productivity is not possible! re HTC, u made another mistake in making it as an example, y? coz they are windows mobile based devices and not d same with UIQ and S60 which are symbian based! software structure, kernel and processing algorithms varies in both symbian and windows mobile based phones therefore performance, speed, RAM paging, processor use are completely different stories for both OS!
BOTTOMLINE:
u must not associate d use of d devices of our topic single handedly easily generally against being able to use UIQ3 with juz basic operations and not all of its functions without d use of its stylus (as i earlier said) single handedly with ease bcoz both subjects are quite different. and pls stay on our topic of discussion! basically, reading white papers is not really substantial, using a device PERSONALLY wil giv us GENUINE facts about it. and who says P1 sucks? definitely not one of us =)
PS
oh i almost forgot, pls analyze and understand d posts herein completely first before reacting. especially with d word "GROUNDBREAKING" which i used ago in comparing P1 and P990 that obviously made u react wrongly (and marvelously enumerate UIQ3s capabilities and admit shortcomings) and resulted into this pretty endless argument. pls read my first post in this forum and u wil realize dat i hav nothing against SE, just stating FACTS here bro with support/proof from GSMarena. i even praised SE for P1s improve RAM, intern mem, smaller dimensions and A2DP support
PEACE OUT dude =)
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- viperkid
- vpd
- 12 May 2007
kenny (part 1/2):
those repetition of comments of mine are purely for d benefit of u, mr. kenny hoping dat u'll finally realize and understand wat was i trying to imply therein ("single handedly COMFORTABLY" and "being USED single handedly WITH EASE"). history wil serve us both very well (if u try to read all my previous comments here) dat those words NEVER meant UIQ3 in P990 alone (but also P1) "cannot be USED single handedly per se (period)". i hop dat u comprehend dat those 2 quite hav different meanings. one more exmple, since me and GSMarena hav pretty d same conclusions (imho) about P990, i'll juz quote from their review:
"With the flip opened, you can HARDLY dial a number, for example, without CONCENTRATING your whole attention to the smartphone's screen while MANY OF THE FUNCTIONS REQUIRE that you OPEN the FLIP in order to USE them"
and yes, i expect u to answr (re dialing number) 'u can work it out with FC mode' but then again, wat about d other thing "while MANY OF THE FUNCTIONS REQUIRE that you OPEN the FLIP in order to USE them" and mostly of d functions in opened flip require dat u use d stylus (it's not dat im prohibiting d use of its stylus, as i may remind u we are talkin bout said devices "being USED single handedly WITH EASE")
now, which symbian platform can b used single handedly with ease? definitely S60 3.0/3.1 and NOT UIQ3 in those cases above.
re combination of S60 and PDA, UIQ3 (in P990) may be a combi of d said platform as u said, but as far as my experience tells me, its not a good example coz of (at least for me):
1) generally cannot b used single handedly (and use all of its function) with ease [u need to use its stylus, hence both hands r used]
2) i quote from GSMarena [remember dat P1 is included in my statements]
"We feel that the toll it takes on NAVIGATION usability is greater THAN the ADDED BENEFIT of handwriting recognition, which is the ONLY FEATURE that really can justify the use of a stylus. Somehow, the SMARTPHONE PLATFORM (UIQ 3) CANNOT really USE the STYLUS EFFICIENTLY as much as POCKETPC does and it turns into more of a deterrent since you have to USE BOTH your hands to do things you could have EASILY DONE with a SIMPLE JOYSTICK or a D-pad if one was available"
whereas PocketPC as said by GSMarena can really use of its stylus efficiently. in short combi of S60 and PDA in UIQ3 (as u said) is at mediocre level (as of now) therefore its really not dat powerful to b a real digital assistant. an excellent UIQ3 based smartphone and perhaps b called a genuine combi of S60 and PDA as u said i think is a combi of P1 (with Dpad/joystick, and better handling of its stylus) and P990, which is unfortunately not yet a reality. at least u admitted dat UIQ is as generally not as flexible as S60.
of course most of us can get use to P1 (but not evrbody) but still, d absence of joystick or simple D-pad makes use of its basic functions more complicated coz u hav to use both hands against S60 which u cn b done easily, single handedly!
i dont deny d fact dat UIQ 3 FC mode (in P990) can do what S60 can in basic things but NOT ULTIMATELY in a manner of speaking.. "generally and in a whole b used easily single handedly" (which u hav completely misunderstood). i pray and hope dat u now apprehend what hav i always been pointing out exactly
about 3250 as u said AFAYK (and even referred to d reviewer's comment, with no links provided by u, probably means u never used 3250?) d joystick is uncomfortable, i've had 3250 for over 1 year, FYI d media keys also doubles as camera controls like play for capture, rew and ff for zooming in/out so perhaps d reviewer u were referring to never thought of it or simply just used d joystick. so in contrast, i really don't hav to compromise most(?) uneasy usage (accdg to u) [for only d camera mode where u cn use d media keys for camera controls instead of its joystick] just to hav d specs i want. i smell a story maker..
white papers, y use d word 'before'? coz u r also aware dat N95 now hav d ability to render excellent graphics too like current UIQ3 (which i think not dat crucial if we r talkin about ease of use in one hand and besides, most of animated icons [esp. in menu] in d symbian platform r mostly made up of SVG-T icons and are XML based). definitely not d reason of FeaturePacks. also, remember dat SE needs to improve further and eliminate bugs of their UIQ3 before releasing it to d market (need i say more about its complaints) thus d use of same UIQ3 ver with P1.
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- Satya
- 2S{
- 12 May 2007
It takes 6 seconds to get the camera application running. If you manage to focus immediately, then your first shot will probably take you about 8 seconds, which is rather slow, especially considering the frequent use of photo mobiles as opportunist cameras for taking instant shots.
--- GSM Arena N95 Review
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- francis_tala
- Bph
- 12 May 2007
Kenny,
please comment on P1
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- kenny
- whB
- 11 May 2007
may i also add my previous post:
with large capacity battery and fast processor E90 could be bigger and bigger once more, processor will end-up suffering from heating because of the frequency. pricewise it will be more expensive than it's communication competitor P1 will it prove it's price? lets give nokia a time to prove something once more.
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- kenny
- whB
- 11 May 2007
viperkid previously said that:
this phone utlilizes the slower 208Mhz NEXPERIA processor which will probably bring "slow performance" on multitasking. then let me explain what i said about the time release is significant in developing phones performance:
see the reviews of the N91,3250 and N70 in which the reviewer mentions that the phone is slower than usual common mobile phones. at 176x208 and 220Mhz+ processor they will lag and halt? while review about P1 didn't mention anything about Lags and Halts even with the menu transitions were turned on and it's is a beta phone when they reviewed it a couple of weeks ago so does it's processor is slower than nokia then?
for those wh stare at the spec papers of the N95 and say it's better read this:
P1 vs N95:
P1's strength and N95's shortcomings:
-->Web browser: Nokia wins, but not too much. it's because the nokia browser is well implemented over the Opera 8 on P1i. first thing to mention was the absense of TS on nokia phones. it's browser is the best but doesn't it's navigation hinders the software's full capability? yes. with touchscreen you an navigate on the phone browser just like what you are doing with a normal desktop PC using mouse. TS can be either as functional or better han mouse in pointing acuraccy. nokia even needs to embeed some other features like minimap(which tells you where you are positioned because it is hard t point in and point out on a joystick or NAVI key than in touchscreen) in which SE do not need t implicate because the TS makes the advantage already. anyway does opera,firefox and IE have that feature? no, even though pages cannot be viewed in a single tap, the mouse makes sense in accuracy. similar with TS. and i forgot, why did nokia made N8800 whilst they already have that "incredible" web browser on their N and E series phones? answer, because TS always makes sense in navigation and S60 can't be equipped with touchscreen so far so they logically admit that they really lack the accuracy stuff. if we can use N8800 browser on P990 using application porting done by developers at SE. then nokia will take very good pressure o reevaluate their S60 E/N phones meant for business and multimedia with regards to true mobile internet experience.
-->Camera functionality, as we all know S60 has tons of applications, but i didn't still get the app that will innovate other OS phones like for example: drawing on the screen after a picture is taken, as far as i know N95 has 5mp camera so to be able o prove the worth manufacturer has to boost the features hardware-wise and software wise. hardwarewise, they lack 2 LED flash but instead only one in which it performs admirably but P1 has two leds similar to K750's module so we all know whos better with regards to low-light shooting; of course P1! even K800 which has xenon flash performs better. being a high-end TS smartphone P1 can allow software developers to create cooler applications like drawing onthe screen after picture has been taken, this feature is possessed by some TS cameras around and greatly shows people what TS advantages can offer more likely N-series cybershots from sony(N1,N2), T series (T50) and some pentax optio cameras. SE only proves that this feature was one of the reasons that tells how worth the price of P1 was. navigating in camera menu is also better thanks to TS capability, you can easily open submenus and settings faster as compared to the multiple finger-aching taps you have to done to achieve the good settings. at that price tag put by nokia on N95, you dont have that feature is it really worth it?
Processing Power:
N95 wins but P1 strikes back on RAM performance which also defines better performance benchmarkwise P1 losses N95 wins but as a smartphone even it's a multimedia or enterprise type, multitasking is a must P1 can run multiple simultaneous applications at one time with the cost of some lags but not freezes as opposed to the N95 which runs programms efficient but can't overcome the scourge of program lags and shut offs. in P1 you'll deliberately experience lags but it's worth the wait because applications run very efficient. N95 being a smartphone that pricey should also be incorpoted with large RAM, future softwares apps that enormously ate RAM evidently kills it in no time while P1 survived, thanks to the RAM capacity. anyway i forgot nokia loves releasing successing models after months or weeks so we may see N96,N99 with 1Gb RAM and 1Ghz processor! those who have purchased N95 sorry, seems that your phone has just been left by the new successor and people wents "gaga" again on it's specs on paper.
P1 vs E90
P1's advantages in full communicator mode and E90's cons:
both shares the same RAM size processors define that E90 is faster, but is it really?
bear in mind that it's incredible screen is 800x352, so applications that are made utilizes that kind of screen rendering. question, with the help of the processor will it help E90 outperform P1's performance? lets see:
P1 renders applications in QVGA resolution 262K colors while E90 renders 800x352 resolution in 16M colors, if we remember even the 176x208(36608 pixels) resolution phones lags even at it's speed of 220Mhz so does the 100Mhz more in E90 can resolve the 128000 more pixels? E90 will slow down, as said into the review benchmark of this phone compared to QVGA phone i.e. N95, E61i bear in mind that the video chip TI OMAP 2420 uses the core speed of the processor instead of having it separatedly so the 16M is another feature that demands processor's resources more than P1's screen(262K) demands on it's NEXPERIA 208Mhz processor.
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-e90-en.shtml
because of the large screen E90 also eats RAM higher than P1 does so the 128Mb would be enough to fit all the communication applications? not so, remember this is a communcator phone, multitasking is a must for an enterprise phone but in thi situation if nokia fails to perform admirably, then it's useless to have such a large and heavy body for communication.
if this was the case, nokia should either make it's processor 520Mhz to comply with the demands of the big bright display to render it very well(note even an XDA exec which uses intel bulverde 520Mhz with VGA display performs not so well) and have 2000mAh+ battery to accomodate the juice-thirsty processor to last even a day or more otherwise, it will suffer from constant low-power issues as laptops did.
Now who said P1 sucks? SE imho knows the real meaning of performance so they left unchaged some of it's hardware characteristics so users of P990 suffering from the scourge of RAM issues will see the dramatically big changes/improvements done by P1.
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- paul
- xIh
- 11 May 2007
guess how much it would cost??
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- francis_tala
- Bph
- 11 May 2007
Treen118,
i don't thing P1 will ever be sold by Rogers.
better order from Asia or from Europe.
francis_tala
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- Treen118
- NC9
- 11 May 2007
Does anybody know when the Sony Ericsson is coming out in Toronto (ROGERS)?
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- Dan Bacon
- Tky
- 11 May 2007
Wow, this phone is so hot it's making my blood pressure soar!!! I think i'd better go and have a cup of tea to calm myself down!
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- Satya
- 2S{
- 11 May 2007
Screen Colors and Speed….All Sony Ericsson phones have better picture/screen color quality in their class. Take K700i phone and match it with any Nokia phone. Or just say see the same picture in Sony Ericsson and Nokia. You will see the difference. Try it. This is a challenge. I have tried various N series and normal S60 phones and let me tell you they take substantial time when you open anything from picture to applications or simply a shortcut. If Sony has decided to continue a particular processor and OS then there must be some reason for it.
Remember SONY make Vaio, Cybershot, Alpha , Walkman, Vega, Bravia and lot more things including GPS devices. . Go to www.sony.com so they have expertise and experience. Ericsson has it’s own expertise . They do not use low quality material. So they are little expensive. P1 is not slider because heavy use can loose its slider. Don’t get rude. It’s a fact. Some Walkman phones have slider but to play walkman you don’t need to open it because dedicated music keys can be used without opening it. Fossil's MBW-100 Bluetooth watch is supported by Sony Ericsson.
And please Don’t compare it with N95. Sony Ericsson has it’s own class.
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- Satya
- 2S{
- 11 May 2007
Continued....
Sound quality….do I need to discuss it ? Radio has RDS. Lots of countries are using RDS Technology -> http://www.rdslist.com/
- S
- Satya
- 2S{
- 11 May 2007
You can imagine the popularity and craze of Sony Ericsson when Nokia people match it with N95.
First of all some people say it doesn’t have Blackberry Connect. It has !!! Please go to Sony Ericsson Corporate-> Press Release -> P1…..i am writing a small bit please go to that page to read more :-
• Dual function keyboard - full alpha-numeric (e.g. QWERTY) text input combined with one hand phone usability
• Choice of text input method including handwriting and word completion
• Push email enabled including support for Exchange ActiveSync™ and BlackBerry® Connect™
• Integrated WLAN and VoIP enabled
• 3.2 megapixel camera with business card scanner
• Large 2.6” touchscreen with a Transflective Display that is easier to view in bright light conditions
• Push email support provided by/licensed from;
o AlteXia
o Ericsson Mobile Office
o Intellisync
o Microsoft - Exchange ActiveSync™
o Research In Motion- BlackBerry Connect
o Seven
o Sybase/iAnywhere
o Visto
• POP3, IMAP4, including IMAP IDLE
• Opera™ Web Browser 8.0
• VPN client from Certicom
Network….People ask it doesn’t have HSDPA or 3.5G. Tell me one thing How many countries have 3.5 technology? How many people have enough money to download/ stream videos through mobile internet? Let me tell you for normal web page browsing GPRS is more then enough like checking e-Mails, Orkut/My Space, Blogs etc. Even GPRS is costly in many countries so opting HSDPA is beyond imagination for Higher-Middle class people. If you really fancy for faster speed then 3G works fine. Just to watch a small video you need HSDPA. The video that you can transfer to your mobile phone via Computer. If you are a hardcore 24 hours internet video watcher then let me tell you clearly that weather you use Nokia or SONY Ericsson or anything else; your phone will be heated up soon and it will be finished in some months and above all you can not match the experience of watching video on a bigger screen rather then on any mobile phone. As far as EDGE is concerned it was deployed in some countries but now mobile operators are converting their networks to 3G. Triband is enough to roam internationally.
GPS ….You can download GPS applications like Wayfinder. GPS is not a big deal for Sony and Ericsson. Read the Review of N 95 at GSM Arena and you will get to know the reality of N95 GPS.
Camera….I don’t think I have to write anything here. Open K800i GSM Arena homepage and read the comparison at left pane of the web page. Never say to anyone that Nokia or anyone else has a better picture quality then Sony otherwise people will laugh on you .
if you have K800 and you somehow do not get right picture of your choice that means you still haven’t read the Manual supplied and you still do not have command over provided camera controls and techniques. Clear your concepts.
As far as comparison between 3 MP and 5MP is concerned; go to any Digital Camera Help site there.. Ask question to any of the professionals and they will tell you that weather you have 3MP or 5MP camera, both picture qualities are APPROXIMATELY same unless you are a professional photographer.
And tell me one thing if you are a professional photographer why would you choose a mobile phone camera. You would rather choose Digital Camera. Am I right ? and last not but the least “ More Megapixels means More memory/ Heavy picture in terms of size “.
Sound quality….do I need to discuss it ? Radio has RDS. Lots of countries are using RDS Technology -> http://www.rdslist.com/
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- kenny
- whB
- 11 May 2007
viperkid,
you repeatedly said:
"combination of S60 and PDA? like, can u really USE P1 or P990 single handedly COMFORTABLY without d use of its stylus? ...i don't see any combination of both PDA and S60 in UIQ if it can't do a certain strength of S60, being USED single handedly WITH EASE."
and previously said:
can u really use P1 or P990 single handedly comfortably without d use of its stylus?
first of all did i mention that UIQ 3 FC mode can match at least S60's default input mode? i said it can do single handling (at least comfortably) as contrast to the "BIG NO" you have answered on my query. and i said it's a combination of S60 and PDA does that mean that once i said S60 it already emphasizes that UIQ is as generally as flexible as it? basically UIQ 3 FC mode can do what S60 can in basic things(opening apps, messaging, calling) and i know you have red my last sentence in my previous post that:
"things need to be get used to, and P1 will be the perfect example that we can learn as we go through..."
i doubt if you didn't apply it with the 3250 you have because AFAIK, the twisting keypad mode enables camera option but reviewer said that it's uncomfortable to reach the joystick. and you also said you have your P800 with UIQ 2 last 2002, do you know how hard to use is it's keypad as compared to the UIQ 3 P990? as a tech lover you can compromise most the uneasy usage as far as the specs didn't lack your taste: thats the comment i usually taken from some people all around simply because we all can learn and get it in the mean time. i'll ask you, why you bother for that issue? otherwise you have proven yourself that your 3250 is also uncomfortable to use. and if UIQ can't be called an S60 PDA in one
re:"y nokia already utilizes S60 3.1 and not just concentrate with 3.0? answer, bcoz nokia hav almost resolved most of d major software bugs in 3.0 therefore they must go forward and move on with newer version like 3.1 (OS 9.2) which supports better telephony/communication infrastructure, media cards, platform security, latest hardware support so dat nokia can make devices more affordable than ever to d mass market with better performance and become more competitive and at d same time dey earn more, dat's y dey r d undisputed no. 1 handset maker in d world for so many years!"
then download the UIQ and S60 white paper both, S60 third edition can't really par what UIQ 3 is capable of before: you may want to see the UIQ 3 whitepaper downloadable on their development site. one lacking thing of the S60 3rd edition software is the inability to render graphics as great as the UIQ 3 can sport i.e. transition effects in the menu. so one reason they move to featurepacking of the version whereas UIQ 3 have excellently render that all ever since.
you said:
"oh i think u really don't understand y nokia releases an "i" version (e.g. 6230, 7250, N93 et al) its not bcoz of software bugs like ur beloved P990 had for so many months (although d latest hav some fixed bugs) its more bcoz of new features added rather than fixing major software bugs (i don't remember any major software bug of d said nokia models. "
one thing i'll be focusing is the N93, so you may mean N93 software is stable so they move to N93i to be able to improve and add the features my question is what feature? all i think about the improvement you are saying is the software feature, then why don't they improve it's firmware? nokia have the capacity to improve the software because it's the bigggest company. while SE were able to improve the features i.e. the menu animation can be turned off while not taking the path of UIQ 3.1. and afaik, N93i is a bad example of improvement in hardware coz nothing really has changed, generally speaking N93 have only improved the screen to 16M while reducing the battery capacity to less than 1000mAh so is there really any improvements? it's only a give and take stuff. 6288 as mentioned by the reviewer/reporter said that it will improve all the problems which 6280 did, so 6280 has major software bugs that was inevitably can't be fixed by nokia so they move to 6288.
you said:
"SE is stil releasing smartphones based on UIQ 3 bcoz dey haven't fixed major bugs they've encountered and somehow did not anticipate dat their OS UIQ3 needs more RAM (hence d new P1 announced) so as der wil b no restarting, hanging and hopefully improve system performance. SE cannot move forward immediately to UIQ 3.1 in a haste like wat nokia (S60 3.0 - 3.1) did, bcoz SE obviously needs to improve UIQ 3 first!"
yeah that was true, but basically SE's fault is that they have failed to give good hardware that can efficiently run UIQ 3 so UIQ 3 becomes faulty. that was what they mean when they released P1 with larger RAM. because UIQ 3 have been developed already fixing the major bugs in it but still people percieve that UIQ is faulty because P990 can hardly work in default UIQ settings(that's why they have been pushed towards the option of switching the transition off to decrease RAM usage). but that's normal to any phone featuring the first general improvements on hardware and software, N91 have also problems similar to P990 too. anyway rest "all UIQ 3 phone have no restartings as of know". now answer me if nokia did really admit it's errors in it's development.
"about d camera, in this very competitive mobile phone market, a smartphone in this level (probably b as expensive as previous P series by SE) should have included higher than 3mpx especially if competitors like nokia and others already offers as such"
but compare it to the rest of the giants and i'll aks you whether they really PAR it's quality? in this situation, improvements over the quality makes more sense than improvemnts on the specs.
"since ur being technical, and deliberately explained wat RAM and separate RAM for video/videocards are, (and even answered ur own arguments [able to turn off animations in both S603.1 and UIQ3). let me remind u dat P1 is still planned to be available Q3 2007 and pls stop dreaming dat to date dat nokia is stil behind in RAM size against CURRENT available UIQ 3 based phones by SE coz here's d GENUINE facts:
http://forum.nokia.com/devices/N95
http://forum.nokia.com/devices/N76
http://developer.sony ericsson....0/p_m600.jsp
http://developer.sony ericsson....0/p_w950.jsp
http://developer.sony ericsson....0/p_p990.jsp"
first of all, i've expected youy to ask that question.
M600,W950 were released last year while N76 and N95 were this year so see the time difference. it will be better to compare the two nokias to P1 because nokia learns to the past, same as SE. if we generally took it in detail N73 and N93 were the phones released similar time as the two UIQ phones. so did the nokias don't suffer on RAM management? i'll give you the reason why SE UIQs were poor on that feature,it's because of the transition effects in the menu in which nokia even lacks that before, but still they are suffering. if only the 3 uiqs do not have that feature before will it PAR/better the N93 and N73 in RAM performance? yes. see how it performs when that feature is turned off.
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/5180_Sony_Ericsson_P990_Reloaded.php
"comparing current available models r better rather than comparing archive models (especially if we r talkin about hardware)"
disagree.
"also, processor plays quite alot of role too, wat's d use of larger RAM if d processor is tad too slow. example of which is when u run multiple programs and games at d same time, u wil b able to run em all simultaneously but ur processor wil not b able to handle them all and result into a halt or hanging! processors and RAM must work hand by hand!"
-->honestly speaking anyway which is your better preference, a fast processing phone with the honestly speaking message "low memory close applications" then sometimes shuts off when memory is frustrated or the slower processor in which your applications are safe and whenever you multitask your phone you wont lose the files as the latter did? P990's processor isn't too bad as you percieve. even HTC have 195Mhz and performs admirably. but agree as what you said "processor and ram must work hand by hand" but did N95 a sport a good example of that? no it's not,.. in reality. but lets see how N76 and P1 would perform.
GSMarena's final words for P990:
With the flip opened, you can HARDLY dial a number, for example, without CONCENTRATING your whole attention to the smartphone's screen while MANY OF THE FUNCTIONS REQUIRE that you OPEN the FLIP in order to USE them
it's because FC mode does only the basic things S60 and other mobiles can do. that's why there is touchscreen to accompany other functions of the UIQ 3. is it hard to understand? it could be better if you will read it's white paper to see it's capability.
those are d facts, we can't change =(
my impressions:
i do really admire the way you post but in sometimes you said that you didn't like the way i talk but so does you to me?
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- papa
- nCN
- 10 May 2007
@Viperkid....
you keep teeling us about market shares these market shares of the early 2005 not 2007 who do you think you trying too fool SE is now the #2 wether you like it or not you keep saying that UIQ have major problems have tried the great N95 i'm using it right now after my beloved P990i believe it got more bugs more jams more problems than any UIQ phone ever it hangs 2-4 times a day it restart it self 2-3 times a day and it's a S60 and half of it's features doesn't work correctly even that i've updated my firmware my P990i was the greatest smartphone ever in every thing it got 262k display but it's better than the 16mil of n95 try it in real then judge my word the WLAN in P990i is b class but it's faster and more stable than the b/g UPnP in n95 it got large touch screen and full QWERTY keyboard than makes my e-mails so easy to write and the 5MPix it's crap the 3.2MPix of the N93 or K800 is better in quality and clarity i'm not saying that the n95 is a bad piece of tech but it's so over rated and it got lots and lots of software issues the tv out is a great feature the video recording is great sound quality the build quality is cheap it's all creackin and squeecking not a solid construction at all even mine is the finland version and for the procesor the P990 and P1 both shared the same 233 mhz or more im not pretty sure it's alot faster than the 330mhz of n95 90% of the people are amazed by the written features but have you tried it in real there is a big differnce in real SE P1 support microsoft OpenGL do you know what a great 3D accelrator got i think they put the same graphics chip that they put in the w900 nVidia goforce 5500 wich is better than my laptop but in the end SE lack the design and some features i think they reduced the features in order to reduce the cost the P1 is just a first step the next P will got all the bling bling in the marke t but the P1 is targettin the mid buisness market
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- Stanley5
- M@T
- 10 May 2007
This is what we were waiting 4. 128mb of ram? 3.2mpx? This is real nice, I CANT EVEN WAIT 2 TOUCH ITS 2.6" SCREEN. Tnx SE
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- Anonymous
- w0Q
- 10 May 2007
i love SE phones especially the P series. I think that it's not about which phones has the best features, but rather which suites me best. What will I do with GPS since our country doesn't support it yet? This phone will be perfect for me since all the features fit my everyday life, not because of how "elegant" it is.
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- viperkid
- vpY
- 10 May 2007
kenny:
again, (for d second time) u really don't get it. i said:
combination of S60 and PDA? like, can u really USE P1 or P990 single handedly COMFORTABLY without d use of its stylus? ...i don't see any combination of both PDA and S60 in UIQ if it can't do a certain strength of S60, being USED single handedly WITH EASE.
can u pls, point to me an instance dat i said dat P990 CANNOT b used single handedly?? again, i only said "single handedly comfortably" and "being USED single handedly WITH EASE"
d words i used NEVER meant dat P990 cannot b used single handedly categorally if u read carefully with ur eyes. at least u admitted dat currently UIQ 3 in SE smartphones really has problems.
oh i think u really don't understand y nokia releases an "i" version (e.g. 6230, 7250, N93 et al) its not bcoz of software bugs like ur beloved P990 had for so many months (although d latest hav some fixed bugs) its more bcoz of new features added rather than fixing major software bugs (i don't remember any major software bug of d said nokia models. do u? if u hav, u can freely post it here). N93i is a very bad example of urs, u know y? dat "i" version of N93 is nokia's move to make d device more compact and not bcoz of fixed serious software instability (N93's dimensions r quite huge, of course it has optical zoom which is understandable, which ur beloved SE haven't implemented yet to date). and let me remind u dat P990 was released around oct last year and it took SE almost half a year before releasing a decent firmware with less bugs, oh my! battery life of N93/i is quite respectable if u use d phone normally like texts and calls, browsing, camera without d use of optical zoom and long recording with VGA video capture @ 30fps (ur lovely SE do not hav yet) dat eats lots of battery and dat explains y d battery sometimes drains quickly. and besides, N95 packs in lots of features dat any user never gets bored with it hence d battery gets drained more quickly if d user uses it non stop, but i can assure u dat if u use it normally (turning off always on WLAN, BT, internet connection) wil surely make d battery last at least 2 days!
y nokia already utilizes S60 3.1 and not just concentrate with 3.0? answer, bcoz nokia hav almost resolved most of d major software bugs in 3.0 therefore they must go forward and move on with newer version like 3.1 (OS 9.2) which supports better telephony/communication infrastructure, media cards, platform security, latest hardware support so dat nokia can make devices more affordable than ever to d mass market with better performance and become more competitive and at d same time dey earn more, dat's y dey r d undisputed no. 1 handset maker in d world for so many years!
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=501734
(1) nokia = 34.8%
(2) motorola = 21.1%
(3) samsung = 11.8%
(4) sony ericsson = 7.4%
(5) lg = 6.3%
SE is stil releasing smartphones based on UIQ 3 bcoz dey haven't fixed major bugs they've encountered and somehow did not anticipate dat their OS UIQ3 needs more RAM (hence d new P1 announced) so as der wil b no restarting, hanging and hopefully improve system performance. SE cannot move forward immediately to UIQ 3.1 in a haste like wat nokia (S60 3.0 - 3.1) did, bcoz SE obviously needs to improve UIQ 3 first!
its not about wat is more convenient, its all about how a company utilizes a certain OS and maximizing its strengths
as u said, "SE just makes smartphones on every two years so everyone who had knowhow on SE's strategy understands this"
i think, as u said, SE only makes smartphones on every two years bcoz dey r having problems solving software bugs! obviously dat's y P990 was delayed almost 1 year!
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/reviews/item/Sony_Ericsson_P990i.php
about d camera, in this very competitive mobile phone market, a smartphone in this level (probably b as expensive as previous P series by SE) should have included higher than 3mpx especially if competitors like nokia and others already offers as such
since ur being technical, and deliberately explained wat RAM and separate RAM for video/videocards are, (and even answered ur own arguments [able to turn off animations in both S603.1 and UIQ3). let me remind u dat P1 is still planned to be available Q3 2007 and pls stop dreaming dat to date dat nokia is stil behind in RAM size against CURRENT available UIQ 3 based phones by SE coz here's d GENUINE facts:
http://forum.nokia.com/devices/N95
http://forum.nokia.com/devices/N76
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/site/global/products/phonegallery/m600/p_m600.jsp
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/site/global/products/phonegallery/p_w950/p_w950.jsp
http://developer.sonyericsson.com/site/global/products/phonegallery/p990/p_p990.jsp
as u can see, N95 are on par with SE's current UIQ 3 smartphones' RAM size and if u pay attention with N76, ur beloved UIQ3 have even less RAM than N76! not to mention nokia's processor speed which is alot faster than 208mhz of lately released SE Pseries
comparing current available models r better rather than comparing archive models (especially if we r talkin about hardware)
also, processor plays quite alot of role too, wat's d use of larger RAM if d processor is tad too slow. example of which is when u run multiple programs and games at d same time, u wil b able to run em all simultaneously but ur processor wil not b able to handle them all and result into a halt or hanging! processors and RAM must work hand by hand!
GSMarena's final words for P990:
With the flip opened, you can HARDLY dial a number, for example, without CONCENTRATING your whole attention to the smartphone's screen while MANY OF THE FUNCTIONS REQUIRE that you OPEN the FLIP in order to USE them
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dat's like wat i meant about P990 when i said:
"single handedly comfortably" and "being USED single handedly WITH EASE"
im quite sure GSMarena Team is an expert in reviewing and giving fare conclusions just for each mobile phone.
those are d facts, we can't change =)
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_p990-review-101p9.php
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- abbey
- 5Fe
- 10 May 2007
i got the p990i from sony ericcson and i am currently having serious problems with it. the phone suddenly powered down and refused to start up. i haven't been able to flash it.why should i trust the p1b phone?