Weekly poll results: fingerprint readers below the screen is what you want in 2018

14 January 2018
It was by far the most popular option in our poll, leaving triple cameras and OLED displays in the dust.

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  • 18 Jan 2018

Headphone jack

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    • vivek
    • DPS
    • 17 Jan 2018

    i would vote for triple camera

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      • Silent Line
      • PP2
      • 17 Jan 2018

      I still prefer the Finger Print scanner that is located at the back for more grip when unlocking your precious device.

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        • Anonymous
        • nIL
        • 16 Jan 2018

        1.Bigger batteries.
        2.Phones can have ingress IP68 protection and still have removable batteries, it's not rocket science folks. Want to know how just ask me.
        3.Smaller bezels.
        4.IR blaster.
        5. FM Radio
        6. Metal design no glass. Why not use bullet proof glass?


        The above is all I need.

          Oled screen took 20% of poll result,(second after underscreen scanner) I think it is definitely show big interested from people And should be. LCD is dead as it can be on phones, oleds microleds it is a future

            r33fd, 14 Jan 2018While I agree with you that phones have improved to a certa... more"While I agree with you that phones have improved to a certain extent the things that people demand from them have not drastically changed.

            Most folks use their phones to stay on facebook / whatsup and other messaging services, take casual photos and consume media . Any decent phone made in the past years can handle all those things pretty well."

            True and for such folks, they really don't need the latest device, their current device works fine and needs no replacement. Even my OnePlus One from 2014 is still going strong, and would still be using it today if the Note 8 wasn't significantly more useful all around.

            "But what manufacturers do is they include many additional "features" that are quastionable at best in regard to their usefulness while at the same time removing many actual useful features .

            Curved screens, Glass backs, Desktop mode, Iris Scanners, Face ID, 18/9 display, 3D touch etc etc are all gimmicks that nobody asked for and are just there to "justify" a big price."

            I respectfully disagree there. I do want a big screen phone in an easy to hold form-factor, that's enabled by the curved screen design. I do want wireless charging, that's enabled by having a glass back, will still put the phone in a case regardless what material they use. I do want a very versatile portable PC I can take everywhere, including out in the field where I build powerline, DeX mode isn't the full materialization (not without Windows 10 on ARM), but it's a step in the right direction and I welcome it.

            "At the same time features such as the headphone jack, removable battery, sd card slot, are considered disposable. This is pure marketing and anti customer strategy . (No headphone jack = go buy some new headphones, sealed in battery = after 2 years send phone to service for expensive change or just buy new one, no sd card = go buy the more expensive model)"

            Samsung's Note 8 is only guilty of the no removable battery part, like almost every other budget phone out there. However, at least in ~2 years time, their battery capacity would have only degraded to around 95%, so, that kinda offsets the worries of replaceable battery. Heck, my OnePlus One from 2014 still holds a charge good, so, doubt I'll have any issue with Samsung's higher quality battery lasting for up to even 5 years. On top of that, you get IP68 water resistance. To get such with a removable battery would require a bulky chases like them LifeProof cases, then we'll have more folks complaining of the device being too bulky. Lastly, taking apart their device when you want to replace the battery is as easy as following a guide on YouTube, you'll just loose the IP68 rating in the end.

            "I do admit some phones like note have unique useful features (mostly the S pen) but so does a 2-3 year old note 4/5 . The difference in price is "justified" by the gimmicks mentioned above."

            If a 2-3 year old Note 4/5 suits your needs, go for it. No one's forcing you to buy the latest and greatest, but to think all of the following enhancements offered in the Note 8 over the Note 5 is merely "gimmicks" is retarded to say the least:

            Note 8 = Note 5 + Dual Edge symmetrical design + Refined Grace UI + 300 mAh added battery capacity + Gigabit LTE Cat.16 + Bigger Display and Better Screen to Body Ratio + 64 GB Base model + MicroSD Card Expansion + Waterproof + More precise Active digitizer pen and can be stored in reverse (logo side face up or down) + Digitizer that can write under rainy conditions or even under water + Iris Scanner that works even with gloves/balaclava on in the winter + Gorilla Glass 5 + Better Camera + Faster Processor + Faster internal storage + USB 3.1 Type C Port + mDNIe processing chip for playback of HDR videos + Dual Ambient Light Sensors for better auto brightness management + Lower Screen Reflectivity & Higher Display Brightness and Contrast Ratio for better outdoor visibility + Fully Practical Pocket PC functionality via DeX

            "Finally,
            I end my argument by saying there is no way any sane person should spend about the same amount of money on media consumption device with (let's be honest) very limited productivity features"

            Sounds like you'd be surprised to realize that I'm moving more and more of my workload to my 456GB Exynos Note 8. I already use my Note 8 as the central hub for managing and sycing files in specific directories of my Dropbox to specific directories on it and my Surface Pro, via FolderSync. Haven't been able to find any data syncer as versatile as FolderSync on Windows, capable of syncing only specific directories on a wide range of cloud storage solutions, to specific directories locally, do share if you have something.

            On top of that, I've gone 100% paperless with my Surface Pro 2 and active digitizer pen, but it simply can't go with me out in the field, it instead sits in the crew truck while I'm out in the field until I return and get the time to jot down whatever noteworthy information comes to mind (if I haven't already forgotten). The Note 8 on the other hand, it is always in my pocket, ready whenever I'm out in the field building power lines. Now, I use the S-Pen for all of the following (at work and home):

            - Annotating on google maps to identify location and status of assets (via Screen Write)
            - Quick-Sketching of worksite and asset locations/status in off screen memos (presuming your device has off screen memos to begin with)
            - Free-hand cropping out desired information from apps/webpages/pictures/documents/etc. (via Smart Select) then annotating over it
            - Annotating over ordinary images via Live Message and making fun gifs I can share on any messaging app, including WhatsApp
            - Annotating over Word/Excel/PowerPoint/PDF documents, webpages (via Screen Write), and shearing them
            - Filling-in and signing forms instead of wasting time/ink/paper printing them, filling and signing them, then re-scanning them

            "as they would on buying a full featured PC/LAPTOP that can be used for so much more things because it has many times more processing power and also lasts many years, unlike android phones who barely get updates for the year they are launched in."

            Sounds like you're generalizing your experience with a dirt cheap Android phone. Devices as old as the S6 are still receiving full OS updates, and besides, vast majority of the "new" features in stock Android Oreo are already built into Samsung's feature packed skin. Including Picture-in-picture view. On top of that, system apps like the web browser (unlike Edge on Windows), the voice assistant (unlike Cortana on Windows), etc. keep getting updated independent of the OS, so, you're merely crying for a firmware number change, no significant added uses in the case of Samsung's devices...In the case of my OnePlus One from 2014, due to the open nature of Android, I'm still getting full OS updates even after the OEM has stopped supporting it. So, as long as I keep the device intact, it'll still be fully functional in the next 3 years, similar to how the Galaxy S2 from 2011 is capable of running Oreo today ( http://sck.pm/i6c ).

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              • AnonD-721883
              • tTh
              • 15 Jan 2018

              Yes under the screen is more convenient but i hope the display repair won't cost much.

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                • Anonymous
                • HBm
                • 15 Jan 2018

                nkdd, 14 Jan 2018Ah, well. The market is cooked, no word on longer battery l... moreWe had infinite once, then got removed and only few got upset.

                At this point battery life is million years ago from Note 4 even... It's so comfy to be able to get instant 100% to your phone, apparently most people preferred to charge, it is probably the same people who are complaining for battery life these days .... (guess what!)

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                  • Kangal
                  • uCX
                  • 15 Jan 2018

                  r33fd, 14 Jan 2018While I agree with you that phones have improved to a certa... moreI agree, there's only three things that have improved much in phones since 2014 and it is:

                  1) Performance. A QSD 845-8GB-LPDDR4-UFS2.0 is much much faster than a QSD 800-2GB-LPDDR3-eMMC5. Or even the difference between a QSD 636 and a QSD 805.

                  2) Efficiency. This is partly to do with the difference between 28nm and 10nm+ technology. But the biggest factor is the improvements in the microarchitecture (Cortex A17 vs Cortex A55), and also the better resource management (Straight Quadcore vs DynamIQ).

                  3) IP68 ingress protection.

                  ...all other aspects of a phone have either improved slightly (iPhone 6Plus/Note 4 camera), remained relatively the same (Note 4 SAMOLED quality), or have gotten worse (smaller battery, non-removable, weaker chassis, no microSD, no 3.5 aux port, fragile glass, weaker speakers, etc etc).

                  All of that, and the average price has gone up around +25%... hence why some of us are actually mad at the industry taking a wrong turn.

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                    • Luxor
                    • tVn
                    • 15 Jan 2018

                    AlienFromNextDoor, 14 Jan 2018Biometrics and even pins nd passwords are useless. I don't ... moreE-payment is one of the purpose for biometrics nowadays. Think outside the box for usage of biometrics, please. Stop thinking it only for unlocking phone.

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                      • Anonymous
                      • HBm
                      • 15 Jan 2018

                      r33fd, 14 Jan 2018While I agree with you that phones have improved to a certa... moreTo be fair most PCs are running using weak core-Ms and i3s, all weaker (in actual tasks) than an a11. Intel is not exactly sophisticated when it comes to making processors, they have been stuck for years all the while all others are literally racing.

                      I agree that you can do more on a laptop, but let's lay off with the exagerrations. Intel based consumer products are not exactly a hot sale, there is a reason why their sales have fallen off a cliff...

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                        • Anonymous
                        • HBm
                        • 15 Jan 2018

                        r33fd, 14 Jan 2018While I agree with you that phones have improved to a certa... moreDecide, do people want to browse facebook/instagram and/or chat or not? If yes then a taller aspect ratio is clearly a meaningful upgrade (less scrolling, afford space for the keyboard without losing too much info).

                        So clearly people were asking for it even if they didn't know how to voice it.

                        Similar to a faster, more secure way to unlock. It is literally the thing people do the most during the day. Finding a way that is unobtrusive, fast and safe *is* what people want. So passive biometrics it is (fingerprint is an in between stage, people are asking for it, here, because they are notoriously conservative... here).



                        Desktop mode too. If done well it would have been the holy grail of professional computing. Imagine only having to carry your phone where everything is safely stored and (it is) customized for personal use, and places of work only having a terminal where you connect your phone. It is probably the future, current implementations are still lacking, but give it time...


                        So you included 3 things already that people *ask* or asked for (one way or another), pretty weird to see them lumped with "features" that lack any real function (curved screens, glass back and/or iris scanners all seem without a use case).

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                          • r33fd
                          • LaF
                          • 14 Jan 2018

                          MrElectrifyer, 14 Jan 2018I understand where you're coming from and I agree to a cert... moreWhile I agree with you that phones have improved to a certain extent the things that people demand from them have not drastically changed .

                          Most folks use their phones to stay on facebook / whatsup and other messaging services, take casual photos and consume media . Any decent phone made in the past years can handle all those things pretty well .

                          But what manufacturers do is they include many additional "features" that are quastionable at best in regard to their usefulness while at the same time removing many actual useful features .

                          Curved screens, Glass backs, Desktop mode, Iris Scanners, Face ID, 18/9 display, 3D touch etc etc are all gimmicks that nobody asked for and are just there to "justify" a big price .
                          At the same time features such as the headphone jack, removable battery, sd card slot, are considered disposable . This is pure marketing and anti customer strategy . (No headphone jack = go buy some new headphones, sealed in battery = after 2 years send phone to service for expensive change or just buy new one, no sd card = go buy the more expensive model)

                          I do admit some phones like note have unique useful features (mostly the S pen) but so does a 2-3 year old note 4/5 . The difference in price is "justified" by the gimmicks mentioned above .

                          Finally,
                          I end my argument by saying there is no way any sane person should spend about the same amount of money on media consumption device with (let's be honest) very limited productivity features as they would on buying a full featured PC/LAPTOP that can be used for so much more things because it has many times more processing power and also lasts many years , unlike android phones who barely get updates for the year they are launched in.
                          Phone manufacturers treat their products more like piece of jewelry rather than the tools they should be.

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                            • YetAnotherUserName
                            • nI0
                            • 14 Jan 2018

                            BUT you didn't give us an option to vote for fingerprint reader on the back! None of the options were at all interesting to me.

                              Will fingerprint reader under screen easy for repair? Let's think about practical over trends and hyped.

                                AnonD-696542, 14 Jan 2018Can you justify the price of iPhone X??? Nope, I personally can't justify that toy beyond merely the logo, if you're into that. It's just really mind boggling that a $1200 iPhone X till today can't even do all of the following basic tasks which were long available on ancient dumb phones:

                                - Bluetooth contact/media/file sharing with any other Bluetooth-equipped device
                                - Downloading media/ringtones from 3rd party sources and integrating it with central media players without a separate computer
                                - System-wide automation via quick-switch/scheduled profiles (apps like Tasker take this to a whole new smart level on Android)
                                - System-wide storage expansion via MicroSD card
                                - Being used as a USB flash storage, enabling you to sync files to/from ANY PC without needing to install any other software

                                And it took iOS only a decade to finally get the following dumb phone functions:

                                - Central file management
                                - System automation via NFC tags (but this is still only on a per app basis instead of system wide)

                                Forget about the millions of other features offered by Android devices...but that's just me, I buy my tools to make use of them, not merely a status symbol.

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                                  • Dan808
                                  • Kxb
                                  • 14 Jan 2018

                                  I would like to see a Thunderbolt 3 Port in every devices including smartphones..........

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                                    • AnonD-696542
                                    • Hkt
                                    • 14 Jan 2018

                                    MrElectrifyer, 14 Jan 2018I understand where you're coming from and I agree to a cert... moreCan you justify the price of iPhone X???

                                      r33fd, 14 Jan 2018What I really want to see is a stop to this price going up ... moreI understand where you're coming from and I agree to a certain extent, but phones like the Note 8 are more capable than their earlier predecessors. Have you seen any phone from the past that's literally capable of programming apps for itself: https://sck.pm/Mly

                                      Comparing the OnePlus 5T to a Note 8, the Note 8 easily makes up for the price difference, and it offering fully-practical Pocket PC functionality via DeX and Linux on Galaxy is just 1 of many things that make the price difference. Let me know if you want the full list of what makes up for the price difference...

                                        Frankly, all I'm missing in my 256GB Exynos Note 8 is an integrated IR blaster and FM radio. The fingerprint reader works fast, reliably and is in an ergonomic position for my big hands; the moment I pick it up, my index finger is literally resting on it. Whereas the iris scanner works fast, reliably and comes in handy when I'm all dressed up for the -40*C winter with a balaclava, gloves, etc.

                                        Fingerprint readers under the display is a step in the right direction, but won't be a compelling reason to upgrade my Note 8...

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