Qualcomm may follow up its 7nm modem with a 7nm chipset: the Snapdragon 855

15 February 2018
The company did not say whether it's TSMC or Samsung that is fabbing the 7nm modems.

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AnonD-596087, 17 Feb 2018Well then 820 was miles better than 810 before it, while 84... moreThat's because the SD 810 are easily throttled, due to problematic lithography and doesn't run at full speed most of the times, making it feels quite laggy. Heck, even SD 660 can easily beat SD 810. The SD 820 address this issue and rarely throttled, only when you use it for highly demanding task for a prolonged times. The subsequent SD 835 doesn't have this issue, but it's performance are still way ahead of it's predecessor.

Sure, Apple's custom CPU are improving over 30% each year, but it's only to appeal simple minded who doesn't understand much about SoC. Peak performance does't mean the same as sustained performance. Reaching score as high like that is easy, but it's unpractical for daily usage when scheduler starts to kick-in and throttle the CPU due to too much heat dissipated and too much power consumed after only less than a minute usage.

3DMark Sling Shot Extreme Unlimited
iPhone X (A11)
Average score: 3175
Physics score: 2206
Graphics score: 3625

Galaxy Note 8 (Snapdragon 835)
Average score: 3957
Physics score: 2973
Graphics score: 4364

Enjoy your highest Geekbench single thread score for a minute before it throttle down and not so much better against SD 660

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    • AnonD-738105
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    • 18 Feb 2018

    Anonymous, 18 Feb 2018Glad you agree on how little sense you madeJust trying to follow your footsteps, though sense says I shouldn't do that...

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      • Anonymous
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      • 18 Feb 2018

      AnonD-738105, 17 Feb 2018I truly reciprocate your feelings...Glad you agree on how little sense you made

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        • 17 Feb 2018

        Anonymous, 16 Feb 2018Yes. By far bigger batteries is the worst thing to ever get... moreI truly reciprocate your feelings...

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          • AnonD-596087
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          • 17 Feb 2018

          Fulljack, 17 Feb 2018you call over ~10% improvement as marginally better? do you... moreWell then 820 was miles better than 810 before it, while 845 looks to be substantial upgrade over 835 based on the info so far. Apple improves their CPUs by 30 and 40% every year. So evidence suggests 10% really is marginal in the mobile space.

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            • Anonymous
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            • 17 Feb 2018

            AnonD-596087, 17 Feb 2018But if u check the benchmarks for 835 and compare it to 821... moreFalse

              AnonD-596087, 17 Feb 2018But if u check the benchmarks for 835 and compare it to 821... moreyou call over ~10% improvement as marginally better? do you know how hard it is to improve a cpu and gpu design?

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                • 17 Feb 2018

                Fulljack, 16 Feb 2018the ipc uplift from 820 to 835 was low, around ~8% iirc, bu... moreBut if u check the benchmarks for 835 and compare it to 821 like say in the OP5T and OP3T, there is just a marginal difference between the 2.

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                  • 17 Feb 2018

                  Anonymous, 16 Feb 2018Clearly yippy have no idea what you're talking aboutEnlighten me then

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                    • 16 Feb 2018

                    AnonD-738105, 16 Feb 2018The last thing we need is bigger batteries... Why don't we... moreYes. By far bigger batteries is the worst thing to ever get.
                    And some efficiency gains are absolutely guarranteed to being dranatic charge reductions....
                    Wow youre not that bright

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                      • 16 Feb 2018

                      Anonymous, 16 Feb 2018Speed is nothing without power, any new tech from battery d... moreThe last thing we need is bigger batteries...
                      Why don't we just keep increasing the efficiency of both software and hardware while keeping the battery size same, which will dramatically decrease the need to charge it every now and then...

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                        • 16 Feb 2018

                        Wow, snapdragon 855 on 7nm chipset wow! More battery efficient. Qualcomm is really working hard. I like Kirin so very much but Qualcomm is convincing me more and more each day. I would love a Huawei flagship phone using this snapdragon 855 with oled display. how great it would be.

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                          • 16 Feb 2018

                          AnonD-646953, 16 Feb 2018The first 7nm SoC in 2019 ?? So, won't TSMC's 7FF be ready... more7 and then 5nm UEV SoC, Graphene batteries along with other eventual components, much further advanced Oleds followed by micro leds.
                          The next few years have some major benefits in tech, power, amd efficiency.

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                            • 16 Feb 2018

                            AnonD-596087, 16 Feb 2018Lol, 835 destroyed 820? Do u even know what u r talking abt... moreClearly yippy have no idea what you're talking about

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                              • 16 Feb 2018

                              The first 7nm SoC in 2019 ??
                              So, won't TSMC's 7FF be ready for A12 ??
                              Good news ^^

                              Anyway, s855 would be based on A75/A55 u arch too. IP cores' innovation aren't fast like semiconductors' . It took 5 years to update their A53.

                              10LPP is 40% more efficient over 14LPP while 7FF is said to be 60% more efficient over 16FF. And now remember 14LPP vs 16FF. Then you have the answer: 7FF isn't such a big update over 10LPP. However, GF's 7EUV is a real update. If s855's fab is GF's 7EUV, then it's worth skipping s845 and waiting for that SoC. Otherwise we should enjoy s845's new u arch.

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                                • 16 Feb 2018

                                Speed is nothing without power, any new tech from battery department? Say 5000mah full in 30m, single charge for 3days

                                  Still does not help for Qualcomm make it competitive with exynos and Apple. Once dominant chip maker becomes joke object

                                    AnonD-596087, 16 Feb 2018Lol, 835 destroyed 820? Do u even know what u r talking abt... morethe ipc uplift from 820 to 835 was low, around ~8% iirc, but qualcomm made up with higher clock speed, so it's a much faster cpu. their custom kryo cpu is good, but it also use a hell of a power, that's why qualcomm went to 2+2 cores route, unlike sd 835 4+4 cores which is basically made with arm cores who built their cpu with efficiency in mind.

                                    thing is, it's soc, not just cpu. the cpu performance is fine, ever since the sd 820. now, the gpu departments need to be improved a lot, which qualcomm does, thanks to more open sourced api (vulkan) and the hardware that was built around it. that's why in overall scores where both cpu and gpu were used the sd 845 destroy the sd 835 just like how the latter destroy the sd 820

                                      AnonD-646541, 15 Feb 2018snapdragon 835 don't have neural unit and here you can clea... morenot true. qualcomm has neural unit intgrated into the soc, which is the hexagon dsp 680 which is present at snapdragon 820. it's upgrade, the dsp 682 which is present at snapdragon 835 is not that powerful whe pitted against kirin's npu. now, the dsp 685 were supposed to uplift the performance by a much higher rate, so just wait for the benchmark

                                        Anonymous, 15 Feb 2018 tells people to stop spreading false info while spreading ... moreI would love to believe you, ONLY IF you were right.
                                        Kirin 970

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