Honor teases the Magic 2 with slide-out cameras and FullView display
- the tech guy
- ubI
- 28 Sep 2018
Still the same guy, 05 Sep 2018Did I not state that the only innovation that Sony has done... moreHiSilicon purchases licenses for CPU designs from ARM Holdings and also for their Mali graphics cores.
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- Sonu4678
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- 06 Sep 2018
Still the same guy, 05 Sep 20181. Cameras are important. Have I said they are not? They ar... moreLet's agree to disagree and put this conversation aside, it's been going for so long. I wouldn't have even bothered with it if you weren't being arrogant "you don't know how things work". Yeah neither of us actually knows.
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- Still the same guy
- g3$
- 05 Sep 2018
Sonu4678, 05 Sep 2018Hey dude, are you stupid?
1. "the only innovation that So... more1. Cameras are important. Have I said they are not? They are however not the most important part of a phone. Camera sensors have improved but most of the improvements have lately been on the software side. Except for videography, most of the improvements have been in the software side
2. What did I say about picking the facts? PhoneBloks started it and later the designer collaborated with Project Ara. LG did not start the innovation. The results from this project is the basis on what Moto Z was built on. LG was the first to sell accessories mimicking modularity. Hell even Moto Z cannot be considered modular. We still do not have a true modular phone
3. They are manufacturers - with the technology to manufacture. Is the 7nm FinFET manufacturing technology not innovation?
4. So by your earlier point TSMC doesn't deserve any credit since they manufactured the chip and didn't design it. Both the designers and manufacturers deserve the credit
5. GPU Turbo is overhyped not completely useless. Their marketing and software improvements prompted even Qualcomm to pursue similar optimizations. It is not as great as it is marketed to be however it is not detrimental either
6. Again you can't just say no innovation at all
There are many things to criticize Huawei - false marketing of camera samples, using the same chips again and again, faking benchmark scores etc. Its not wrong to criticize a company. Letting your bias influence all the criticism is kinda not okay though
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- Sonu4678
- rJu
- 05 Sep 2018
Still the same guy, 05 Sep 2018Did I not state that the only innovation that Sony has done... moreHey dude, are you stupid?
1. "the only innovation that Sony has done is camera sensors", so what? Don't you know how important cameras are today?
2. Project Ara was just an ongoing project that never delivered anything, LG was the first brand to actually sell modular hardware.
3. "These so called "Chinese Companies" are what provide almost all parts of phone hardware to any manufacturer", so what? They are just manufacturers, not innovators. Why are you talking about irrelevant things?
4. "Did 7nm chips just come out of thin air?" This is the stupidest comment i've ever read. This chipset is being manufactured by TSMC, credit goes to them. Huawei hasn't done sh!t.
5. GPU turbo wasn't anything special. It was just trying to create a marketing hype. Read GSMArena's review on it.
6. All right, they popularized NPU units in mobile chips. I'll give them that, though Pixel already came with a visual core. I know those cores are different but the purpose of NPU in Huawei is similar to that of Pixel "to improve photography".
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- Still the same guy
- g3$
- 05 Sep 2018
Sonu4678, 04 Sep 2018Dude, are you high? I was talking about "innovation". You a... moreDid I not state that the only innovation that Sony has done is camera sensors. Are you blind? Modular phones was not a project started by LG. Phonebloks and Project Ara did. Get your facts straight before making baseless and false accusations. These so called "Chinese Companies" are what provide almost all parts of phone hardware to any manufacturer. And who said Huawei is not investing in R&D? Did 7nm chips just come out of thin air? GPU Turbo Boost based on software optimization? The popularization of NPU units in Mobile chips? Pray tell what innovation did HTC do? List one thing they started or popularized that gained traction in the industry
There are a lot of things to criticize Huawei for - using the same chips in so many phones, saturating the market with redundant phones but not at all innovating is a ridiculous accusation. But you just want to pick the facts that suit your narrative. Go ahead man.
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- Sonu4678
- ut$
- 04 Sep 2018
Still the same guy, 04 Sep 2018All the companies you listed have involvements in other par... moreDude, are you high? I was talking about "innovation". You are going on and on about sales/money. You're saying that Sony isn't innovating? Most of the camera improvements in the industry is done by Sony. Sony introduced on-board DRAM for slow motions/HDR+. It's true that their devices are not great but you can not deny the innovation. Same goes for LG, they tried several new things including Modular phones but sadly they couldn't deliver and gave up in the end. HTC was also doing great till 2 years ago. Again, i'm talking about innovation not sales.
All these companies invested so much money in R&D and then the copycat Chinese brands copied their product and sold them for far cheaper.
Think about what would happen if all brands shut down/minimize their R&D to compete with copycats.
P.S. Huawei is a copycat brand which has become a premium brand without contributing anything, that's just sad and unfair.
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- Still the same guy
- g3$
- 04 Sep 2018
Sonu4678, 04 Sep 2018Dude, there is no real use of Notches, it just makes you fe... moreAll the companies you listed have involvements in other parts of electronics as well. Also they charge a lot more for each device to make up for their R&D costs. What innovations has HTC done? Nothing other than the Sapphire Screen which was done a few years ago. Sony? Who the fuck thinks Sony is innovating? They have had the same design with just different hardware in all of their phones. The only reason they exist at all today in the smartphone market is their camera sensors. LG is not making much on phones at all compared to their sales of OLED panels. Wtf are you talking about? Razer made a bigger splash in screen tech with their 120Hz panel than any company you listed in the recent year(s).Where is the "innovation" you speak of? The affordable segment is not their market. Also they were 2nd for one bloody quarter in sales only. This is what I call naive. They also invest quite a bit of R&D into their NPU technologies so they are just not investing in physical form factor based changes. Each company you named has little to no innovation in the manner you speak of. Also you do know that HTC is going bankrupt right? They are a company not a charity. God I pray you never become an entrepreneur especially in the tech field. You are going to ruin whoever you hire
Notches fit a bigger screen on a smaller form factor. Take a look at Samsung Note 2 and compare it with the OnePlus 6. They basically halve the space taken by the top bezel and notification bar. How is this an "illusion"? Are they the best solution? heck no. I dislike notches but I don't go out saying "wah useless waah". Some people have made it into a trend but they are not useless. It is useless when you pair it with a big chin bezel but making a blanket statement is stupid.
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- Sonu4678
- rJs
- 04 Sep 2018
Anonymous, 04 Sep 2018Now this is a kind of naive take on the whole thing. In the... moreDude, there is no real use of Notches, it just makes you feel that you've got some extra screen real state but in reality that's just an illusion. On top of it, notches can make your viewing experience worse. People love to see new designs and since OEMs didn't have a concrete innovation, they decided to slap a new trend. It's just a business strategy.
Huawei is the 2nd largest smartphone OEM in the world, what makes you think that they "cannot afford to bear the brunt of most complex R&D projects". Look at LG, Sony, HTC & others, these brands are losing money but they are still innovating. Stop making excuses for them. Huawei is just a copy cat brand riding on other's innovation. That's why they can afford to make cheap phones, though i don't think they are cheap anymore. Stop saying me naive, when are clearly more naive than me.
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- The same guy
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- 04 Sep 2018
Anonymous, 04 Sep 2018Now this is a kind of naive take on the whole thing. In the... moreAlso the reason people are being excited about this is the possible consequences of such a phone. Lets be real here. While the Oppo Find X was far more innovative in dealing with screen to body ratios than the Vivo Nex S it also introduced some major flaws. The motors had to lift a larger payload and cramming a fingerprint sensor on a movable back via ribbon cable would have been very risky so they didn't. The number of actuations the motor could withstand were significantly lower and even more-so concerning since the motor had to function every time the phone was unlocked. Not to mention the compromised durability of the phone. The Nex S dealt with all of these issues in a far better manner. Does this mean the Oppo Find X is a bad phone and the technology is uses is not worth pursuing? Not at all. This just means the first iteration of the technology is flawed and needs improvement before becoming a stanchion.
Having a non motorized sliding mechanism on the new phone eliminates the concern of motors failing. However it introduces a slew of new concerns such a moving joints which don't have regulated force applied. To an average consumer this may be a very bland and gimmicky phone but to the people concerned with the technology involved and smartphone design this certainly is interesting. Have they managed to create a more durable housing? Are they gonna implement indisplay fingerprint sensors, having a physical one on the rear or forego one completely? How is the hardware and software integration on the new chip with the improved NPU? Will they be able to maintain a competitive price point? All these questions have people excited
Also lets get real here the sliding mechanism from old phones is quite different from the ones in new phones. Phones then had physical keyboards and smaller screens. They also generated less heat and so they didn't need to implement any heat dissipation in the housings. Its understandable that you are pretty skeptical about this product however making a blanket statement that this phone is not worth concern at all is pretty foolish of you.
That being said I want to clarify that I'm not a staunch Huawei supporter. I am not an advocate of any company. I have disliked devices from them before but that does not mean all their products are bad.
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- Anonymous
- g3$
- 04 Sep 2018
Sonu4678, 31 Aug 2018Sorry but i don't see any invention in this whole stupid me... moreNow this is a kind of naive take on the whole thing. In the end Huawei is a growing company and it still cannot afford to bear the brunt of most complex R&D projects. The whole company is based on the concept of "affordable phones". Investing heavily in R&D will not only drive up prices of their phones thus alienating their main consumer base but also have low roi due to the stagnancy of current market at the level they are. In the end they are here to make money not to serve the people
Your naivety is only solidified when you describe the notch as a "problem". The whole point of the notch is to increase screen real estate on phones without having to make large bodies to house them or sacrifice any front facing sensors. Its not a permanent solution sure and some people are not taking advantage of this and only using it as a "style factor" but that doesn't mean it's useless
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- AnonD-731363
- SH3
- 03 Sep 2018
Well. If this phone gets simmilar price to a pocophone this will be really something awesome to put Huawei even into number 1 position.
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- Anonymous
- L@}
- 01 Sep 2018
lol that's so tall, why cant they add bottom (large) size?! so weird, very uggly, will skip it
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- Sonu4678
- rJr
- 31 Aug 2018
Luxor, 31 Aug 2018Are you feeling more intelligent then? Go work for them and... moreSo much salt dude. If you can't handle criticism then don't tell others, "you don't know how things work". I guess you do then, congratulations.
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- Luxor
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- 31 Aug 2018
Sonu4678, 31 Aug 2018Oh! So you understand how things work then. I wonder why bi... moreAre you feeling more intelligent then? Go work for them and prove it to me. You not only bitter but also salty. What you said before about investing is different. You said they should invest money in R&D to solve the problem. So, I'm not wrong to say simply investing money on R&D is not going to give birth to new ideas. Now, you just omit the R&D part and saying 'money can be used to hire talents and workforce'. Dont try to be sly with me. You using money to hire people instead of using money for R&D purposes. Your statement have a flaw there. No need to hire new talent, just doing more proper R&D with current talents is enough. Btw, no one asking you to be impressed with slider mechanics.
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- AnonD-632062
- 3Yf
- 31 Aug 2018
What's so bad about manually sliding out the camera. Infact, I think it is way better than having a motorised pop-up mechanism. Come to think of it, this could be the return of the slider phone era.
- Walter C. Dornez
- 47n
- 31 Aug 2018
Samad, 30 Aug 2018I remember that there use a nokia (7280)and a Sony Ericsson... moreRIP Erricson. You are still missed. My dad had an old Erricson
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- Haters never learn
- y$h
- 31 Aug 2018
Sonu4678, 31 Aug 2018Sorry but i don't see any invention in this whole stupid me... moreThey made the best smartphone camera and the only brand with monochrome sensor though. don't forget the unique twilight color rather than generic flat colors.
The fact that you only know the bad things about them clearly indicates you are just a hater....or blind...
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- Sonu4678
- rJr
- 31 Aug 2018
Luxor, 31 Aug 2018The inside mechanic is different if you do a tear down. The... moreOh! So you understand how things work then. I wonder why big brands invest so much money in R&D. They must not understand how things work. They should hire intelligent people like you.
Okay, i feel so bitter now. "Investing money wont give birth to new ideas", sorry but that's not true. Money can used to hire more talented/experienced workforce. The important thing is how you utilize the money. More talented human resource, means more/better ideas. So yeah, investing money give birth to ideas.
"The inside mechanic is different if you do a tear down", so what should i be impressed? That should be expected, because there has been so much innovation since the slider generation. Is it anything extraordinary? Umm... no.
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- Anonymous
- rJr
- 31 Aug 2018
Luxor, 31 Aug 2018The inside mechanic is different if you do a tear down. The... moreOh! So you understand how things work then. I wonder why big brands invest so much money in R&D. They must not understand how things work. They should hire intelligent people like you.
Okay, i feel so bitter now. "Investing money wont give birth to new ideas", sorry but that's not true. Money can used to hire more talented/experienced workforce. The important thing is how you utilize the money. More talented human resource, means more/better ideas. So yeah, investing money give birth to ideas.
"The inside mechanic is different if you do a tear down", so what should i be impressed? That should be expected, because there has been so much innovation since the slider generation. Is it anything extraordinary? Umm... no.
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- Anonymous
- rJr
- 31 Aug 2018
Joe Alligator, 31 Aug 2018followers who are now overtaking the masters :) .. Haven't ... moreI was talking about Indian people & Chinese people in general, not in just smartphone industry. Before anyone say i'm stereotyping, i'm from India so i know how people are brought up here. Chinese people are very similar to Indians in that regard.
To your first point, "Followers are taking over....". It is just as you say but after a certain point(lets say they are now major players), people would start to demand real innovation from them. When they will try to deliver that, they will get dethroned by cheaper new brands. You can't sell cheap phones if you have to invest in R&D. Thus, the cycle will continue.