Samsung announces two new ISOCELL sensors

30 October 2018
The new sensors are 48MP and 32MP with Tetracell technology.

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shagrasniper, 30 Oct 2018Im not excited at all about this one. if the pixel size is... moreNope, that would be 6.4 * 4.8 mm, which is a 1/2" sensor. That's relatively large for a camera phone.

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    There are simple physical reasons for the sensors to have such small size when the pixel count is so high.
    The THICKNESS of the device is the main issue here. The lens needs to be able to focus on the sensor and with such short distances as allowed by the thickness, the possible area that can be covered is very small (with current technology at the least)
    And as the total size got limits, so of course each pixel must be smaller as the pixel count grows.
    BUT there are also physical limits to how small a pixel can be compared to the aperture (the F number) of the lens.... See e.g. https://eskerahn.dk/wordpress/?p=12

      Anonymous, 30 Oct 2018Sony makes imx400,' Samsung copied. Sony made imx586 48MP... moreWhat do you mean by copied?
      Huawei released Kirin with 7nm first,
      Apple released their 7nm chipset after that and
      SD and Samsung will release their 7nm shortly.

      Are you saying that Apple, Samsung & Snapdragon copied Huawei?
      It's just a fabrication process, both technologies are not identical.
      What you're saying is just ridiculous.

        shagrasniper, 30 Oct 2018Im not excited at all about this one. if the pixel size is... moreUnfortunately things are not that easy.
        You are talking the REAL diagonal. You need to multiply that number with roughly 1.5 to get to the ADVERTISING diagonal to get to roughly 1/2.1 inch.
        See the lengthy story here https://eskerahn.dk/wordpress/?p=659

          These better be on the S10 family

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            • 30 Oct 2018

            Wow. Good sensors from samsung.
            I love samsung too

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              • 30 Oct 2018

              Im not excited at all about this one.
              if the pixel size is 0.8μm and the resolution is 48MP on the GM1, it means that the sensor size is only 1/3.12" (the GD1 is even smaller)
              sadly this is smaller than most cameraphones.

                Love the Community, 30 Oct 2018Samsung or Nokia flagship + 1.5 aperture + ISOCELL GM1 + se... moreNot sure what you're aiming for here, but sure - just about any smartphone today would with a modern sensor as large as the 1/1.2" one in 808 PV would be the best camera phone, especially if coupled with multiple sensors for wide and tele as well.

                The best one now is in a Huawei phone and it's "only" 1/1.78". Which is a lot bigger than many others who use 1/2.55".

                But these from Samsung are much smaller sensors than the 1/1.2", only when binning four pixels together do you get "a pixel" of similar size as the pixels on 808 PV. The sensor itself may not be only a fourth the size, seeing as it has higher resolution, but significantly smaller. About a third the size maybe? Around 37,95%-ish the size would be my gesstimate if comparing with the full 41.3MP of the 808 PV.

                  The continuation of the megapixel race? It's sure nice to see more camera sensors using Quad Bayer filters, especially the ones that sport higher megapixels, though

                    Love the Community, 30 Oct 2018Samsung or Nokia flagship + 1.5 aperture + ISOCELL GM1 + se... moreNokia 808 has 41MP 1/1.2" CMOS sensor and pixel size is 1.4um without any pixel binning. I wonder how big those Samsung sensors physically are. With pixels only 0.8um big, i seriously doubt that they are bigger than 1/1,7"- 1/2". With so small pixels and possibly small size sensor, they are what was said: 12MP and 8MP sensors. They CAN of course do 48 and 32 MP pictures but quality of those will be probably awful. Nowhere near Nokia 808.

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                      • Anonymous
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                      • 30 Oct 2018

                      Unfortunately in actual practice the pixel binding never helped that much except zoom.
                      Always hopefully.
                      Ugh... why thin phones. Phones get thinner and therefor more fragile, weaker batteries, weaker camera sensors and more cheaper ones instead of one better one, and the prices however go up.
                      Meanwhile Huawei squeezed that large camera sensor and battery into the p20.

                      Instead we get 0.8um. I don't care if the tech helps try to battle the shortcomings. It still won't batch or outperform the larger sensor.
                      And if they teach does help then it would help a larger sensor even better.
                      Apparently half inch is a dream now. But can we at least get that 1/1.7 inch sensor? Especially at 700 to 1300 dollars?????
                      I bet a reasonably sized phone could fit a 1 inch sensor. Heck with some work a full frame sensor could be worked in and only that part would need to be thick and it probably could be done without crossing 20mm. And then it could be a beast camerabbn phone with a massive battery, heatsink, speakers, and anything else.
                      But oh well. Skinny over priced phone with small pixels and extra noise reduction and over sharpening.

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                        Love the Community, 30 Oct 2018Samsung or Nokia flagship + 1.5 aperture + ISOCELL GM1 + se... moreFor now, only Samsung's are warranted. Is Samsung the one that decides what sensors sell nor not to each one and "when". And Nokia use a mix of what is available: So, Samsung ̶o̶r̶ ̶N̶o̶k̶i̶a̶ flagship + 1.5 aperture + ISOCELL GM1 + sensor just as large as Nokia 808 PureView = Breaking the DxOMark's scoring system.

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                          • 30 Oct 2018

                          Love the Community, 30 Oct 2018Samsung or Nokia flagship + 1.5 aperture + ISOCELL GM1 + se... moreIt won't happen.
                          No brand is going to sacrifice design for that.

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                            • 30 Oct 2018

                            Sony makes imx400,' Samsung copied.
                            Sony made imx586 48MP 0.9 micron, then an ISOCELL 48MP 0.8 mícron shows up.

                            We all know the copies are not on pair with the originals, but this is becoming ridiculous.

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                              Love the Community, 30 Oct 2018Samsung or Nokia flagship + 1.5 aperture + ISOCELL GM1 + se... moreYesss.

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                                Samsung or Nokia flagship + 1.5 aperture + ISOCELL GM1 + sensor just as large as Nokia 808 PureView = Breaking the DxOMark's scoring system

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