Oppo is introducing 10x optical zoom camera on January 16
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- Anonymous
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- 16 Jan 2019
kiasunkiasi, 16 Jan 2019if not mistaken, the usage of prism to reflect light will c... moreYou wouldn't want to choose 10x zoom in most low light situations anyway.
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- kiasunkiasi
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- 16 Jan 2019
if not mistaken, the usage of prism to reflect light will cause the f-stop number becoming bigger, i.e. low light photography will be affected... but of course we don't know how the impact will be until proper product is out
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- AnonD-731363
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- 15 Jan 2019
Blue.sun, 14 Jan 2019Since the development goes forward both in phones and in di... moreWell not now.
But in close future its possible in 10-15 years i do believe we will have the techs beoyund the limits and all current tech geeks will be like drunken.
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- Alex
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- 15 Jan 2019
njsilva84, 15 Jan 2019As I said, digital zoom is always lossy, always. About the... moreCan you show me where did i say that "digital zoom could be lossy"? Maybe you should read what's written with more care, and maybe you should try to understand what's written.
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- Dominique
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- 15 Jan 2019
Anonymous, 15 Jan 2019Better in what sense? Each company has their individual "be... moreComing from you, Apple's reign on smartphone photography was already a thing of the past. Haven't you use any android with better optimization and battery back up?
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- Dominique
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- 15 Jan 2019
Anonymous, 15 Jan 2019Downhill is because of their wrong tactics in the pricing. ... moreI guess you're aware of the "rumored" design of the next iPhone for this year. Unfortunately, it'll be the 3 camera set-up copy from Mate 20 positioned on the top left side at the back. -,-
Don't expect too much so you'll not be hurt that much.
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- njsilva84
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- 15 Jan 2019
Alex, 14 Jan 2019Yes, i'm sure. Even you agreed with me that optical zoom ca... moreAs I said, digital zoom is always lossy, always.
About the loss of sharpness in a zoom lens, it happens in every lens, no matter how expensive it is. But the difference is so tiny that most of the casual "photographers" don't realize it and the loss of detail is usually in the corners, where sharpness matters less. There is always a sweet spot for every lens but it shouldn't be called lossy because the image resolution is always the same without the need to interpolate pixels, as they do in digital zoom. Have you ever compared a zoom lens, even the cheapest one, to a phone with digital zoom? Digital zoom sucks and can't be compared to optical zoom and you know that. What about your previous comment where you said that digital zoom could be lossy? Can you explain that to me?
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- Anonymous
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- 15 Jan 2019
kiasunkiasi, 15 Jan 2019I don't see how Apple can eat the humble pie and lower thei... moreAnd similarly, what does it say to Android buyers when their handset is discounted (the outright retail at that) a few weeks after release?
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- Anonymous
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- 15 Jan 2019
Put the reflector prism on a rotating or swivelling mechanism and 1 high quality camera can serve as both front and rear. I have had a similar idea for years inspired by old flip-phone flippable camera designs.
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- 15 Jan 2019
Anonymous, 15 Jan 2019Downhill is because of their wrong tactics in the pricing. ... moreI don't see how Apple can eat the humble pie and lower their price on iPhone, other than giving discount...
but then again, whether lowering price or giving discount, it's essentially admitting to existing buyers that Apple milk them with exorbitant price
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- 15 Jan 2019
It's amusing how interchangeable lens camera are shifting toward mirrorless while smartphone camera are introducing the use of prism for zoom
It's fun to watch same tech catagory evolve in 2 different field
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- Anonymous
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- 15 Jan 2019
Dominique, 14 Jan 2019No need as Apple is already on its downhill trend especiall... moreDownhill is because of their wrong tactics in the pricing. If they lower their price tags this year, or if the next iPhone is really different from the current models, I bet their sales will drive through the ceiling again. On the other hand, Android makers are running out of steam imo. Have you sees any new features which are so phenomenal in the past years? Nothing except everyone is getting onto the bokeh portrait bandwagon as well as adding a freaking notch to their phones. Mark my words - Apple will be different this year and all Android makers will be following Apple tail again.
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- Anonymous
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- 15 Jan 2019
Dominique, 14 Jan 2019Why would Apple be comparing itself with an android OEM tha... moreBetter in what sense? Each company has their individual "better". What I meant is in the past when iPhone is still crowned as king of the mobile camera spaces, Apple has never been once compare with other Android models before. Unlike the Android makers nowadays, keep on using iPhone as their benchmarks. Which is a shame to me.
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- Anonymous
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- 14 Jan 2019
Not sure if it's already been mentioned but the only down side I can see is having the sensor mounted on its side limits its size as the average phone buyer doesn't want a camera hump, even if it means better photos. Having said that the quality of the photos from smaller imaging sensors has really improved over the last 2-3 years
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- Alex
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- 14 Jan 2019
njsilva84, 14 Jan 2019Are you sure you know anything about photography?
Not this... moreYes, i'm sure. Even you agreed with me that optical zoom can be "lossy", depending on the quality of the lens. Not like digital zoom lossy, of course, but it usually loses something in quality, especially on the low- and mid range lenses.
As someone who bought his first digital camera (Canon A530, if i remember correctly) more than a decade ago, went through a couple of digital SLRs and mirrorless cameras, and as someone who uses his phone camera 6 times in a year, it's funny to hear someone calling me a "trendy smartphone camera expert".
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- 14 Jan 2019
Blue.sun, 14 Jan 2019Since the development goes forward both in phones and in di... moreWell we can agreen on that.
But even navigations are updated or a MP4 players and even more but phone beats them.
Lets see what Nokia 9 Pureview brings to us and be or not to be suprised but i hope for best.
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- Anonymous
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- 14 Jan 2019
mms, 14 Jan 2019actualy sony had this in 2003: cybershot t1 and produced di... more... you just forgot to mention (and all the other users as well)
this tech was 1st implemented in a phone
by ASUS in 2016
in ZenFone Zoom ZX551ML (w/ real 3x optical zoom)
(but reviewers didn't liked it, because it's necesserily a bit slower,
that was the case with that Zoom Moto Mod by Hasselblad as well).
and OPPO's 5x is only 3x optical as well, just digitally tuned up ...
but we didn't see a device with that since demoed in early 2017 lol
So OPPO is just copiing an earlier tech . . .
I am pretty sure we won't see a real 10x optical zoom in this newcomer,
that why it is called "10x lossless zoom solution"
(maybe a digitally tuned 5x or even the old 3x).
ZenFone Zoom is old and forgotten enough to grab that tech
and present as a new innovation lol
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- njsilva84
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- 14 Jan 2019
Alex, 14 Jan 2019Not really. "Lossless zoom" is digital zoom without noticea... moreAre you sure you know anything about photography?
Not this new trend of smartphone photography, when everyone seems to be an expert.
Optical zoom is lossless while digital zoom is lossy.
If an image gets less sharp when you zoom in (with optical zoom) it's because of lack of the lens' glass quality but, to be honest, there's no lens in the world that is as sharp at its minimum focal length as in its maximum focal length. Even in Canon L series lenses, they do never have the same level of sharpness across the different focal lengths.
Digital zoom is always lossy, no matter how complex algorithm they use to minimize the loss of sharpness. Simply because pixels are oversampled, so, the final image resolution is fake. Anyway, let me know which phone do you consider that does have a digital zoom that's lossless... I'll buy it in a blink of an eye!
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- Blue.sun
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- 14 Jan 2019
AnonD-731363, 14 Jan 2019Well to be honest cell phones surpases many devices such as... moreSince the development goes forward both in phones and in digital cameras, the time when a phone beats a DSLR never comes. Oh yes, a today's phone can probably be better than a year 2000 DSLR, but can't be compared even to an old and cheap Nikon D40. And that is a 13 years old camera.
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- 14 Jan 2019
Anonymous, 14 Jan 2019WTH... Lossless means "without loss of information" so that... moreNot really. "Lossless zoom" is digital zoom without noticeable loss in quality. Optical zoom is called optical zoom, and can be lossy or lossless, depending on the quality of the lens.
But that's marketing. Like when they're trying to sell me a 50 mm equivalent "telephoto zoom". It's a normal fixed lens, not a telephoto zoom. Always was, and always will be.