Snapdragon 865 specs leak
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- 12 Dec 2019
Kangal, 12 Nov 2019I agree, that the QSD 835 has enough performance for all ta... moreA11 Bionic is nothing in multi-core compared with Snapdragon 855+ neither even in graphics department, the 855+ competes directly with A12 Bionic, it has the same performance as the iPhone XS with a Realme X2 Pro with this 855+. The 865 will compete with A13, or if not, with a overclocked version of this 865 chipset, like the 855+. The 865 will be capable of emulate consoles like the original Xbox, the Wii U, the Switch at least like that phone you talk. Even PS3, if someone try that, the 865 affords that.
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- 03 Dec 2019
Disgusting, 27 Nov 2019I'm very confused, will Snapdragon 865 be slower than SD 85... moreBecause it can get more work done for each cycle. The less you do, the easier it is to get higher mhz. They are choosing to get more work done per cycle.
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- 27 Nov 2019
I'm very confused, will Snapdragon 865 be slower than SD 855+ since it has lower GHz? How can the 865 CPU have 20% more performance if it's slower?
I wanted to buy my first flagship to emulate up to 3DS games but the early Citra emulators are slow in many games with SD855+, I know future updates might play games fast even in medium range phones but I wanted to have the best "monster" to be safe so i patiently waited for SD865 but if those specs are true I might as well buy a laptop x-x
Or a cheap and now kind of outdated SD855 for 300$ and wait until 2100 for better improvements.
I guess it's better to wait 1 more week for the official reveal before shitting on SD865...
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- 18 Nov 2019
The chips are already quite fast for most people, the only meaningful improvements are enhanced battery life and lesser heat dissipation.
Not everyone wants to play bloated games at max resolution on their phones.
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- 17 Nov 2019
Kangal, 13 Nov 2019Firstly, I do apologise that I mixed up the iPhone X models... moreAnd dont forget x series on apple, 12x , and maybe 13x on 2020
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- 17 Nov 2019
Gary, 13 Nov 2019Only top tier cpus and gous are caable of running the ps3 e... moreGames are more GPU dependent. Even the best games on PC don't require too many cores. This is why gamers spend money on GPU and buy a decent budget CPU.
Look at the Gflops for Ps3 and then compare that to modern GPU in mobile phones today.
Still will take decades?? LOL
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- 13 Nov 2019
Sorry if this is already pointed out as I am too lazy to read through all opinions.
In the screenshot, it compares the SD865 to SD855 not SD855+. But in the article you quoted the SD855+ instead. It is a bit misleading. Or I could be wrong.
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- 13 Nov 2019
Alex, 13 Nov 2019Also in that video you linked the Android phone is running ... moreFirstly, I do apologise that I mixed up the iPhone X models for the throttling test.
My point with the SpeedTest-G was that if you had both the iPhone throttle and an Android phone throttle, the margins would be similar, or a bit better for the iPhone. Since he hasn't tested this for the iPhone 8/Plus/X we can only guess how it differs. Though personally, I don't think it will perform as bad as you suggest, I think it would be close to the performance of the slower QSD 855 or faster QSD 845 phones. And so, yes the A11 does make a joke out of the QSD 855. Remember this is a 2017 chipset based on a refined 16nm node (ie "10nm") against the finest chipset of this year running on the next node 7nm. A good analogy would be to compare the AMD RX480 (14nm) against the Nvidia GTX980 (28nm), and simply look at their power draw and their performance.
Anandtech did conclude that both the A11 and the A12 Thermal Throttle, and it wasn't because of the chipset, he concluded the chipset was great, it was the software behaviour. Basically running an intense App like Fortnite will require high-frequency but he was experiencing the OS shifted to maximum thermal budget straight away which is great for most Apps (race-to-completion) but not all Apps. It builds up heat inside the chassis (no copper-cooling like OnePlus), then the software would decrease frequency. However, the performance was still very high and more than required to run Fortnite. It just meant that you would have a warm phone sooner than later, and the entire session of that game would be rather warm. He suggested, Apple should write the OS so that when it detects Apps like Fortnite, it would start off with lower frequency and sustain it... and the benefit is NOT performance, it is the device temperature and battery life (sustainability). However, that's exactly what has happened over time, as there have been quite a lot of changes and software improvements since about 9 months ago for the A11 and A12 family of devices. So we can't rely on these early maximum theoretical scores as an indication for their real-world performance. They do not thermal throttle anymore/like they used to. That was my original point, and it still stands true. I don't own either chipsets so I cannot do an update benchmark for you.
Overall, the A12 was the king when it came to performance-per-watt, and about 30% better than the A11. In the Samsung S10+ Deep Dive, he provides figures for the QSD 855 as 14.46 fps/W, Exynos 9820 13.48 fps/W, QSD 845 as 11.99 fps/W, and Exynos 9810 as 11.28 fps/W. The Apple A12 did 20.18 fps/W, so a 30% reduction is, 15.52 fps/W estimate for the A11. So you see, where I said the A11 was competitive against the QSD 855. So I'm still impressed by the Apple A11-Bionic, and actually you are/should be too.. Andrei provided additional figures for a throttling A12, but didn't do the same for the Android chipsets, so we don't know exactly how much their figure changes.
Now, if I had to choose between the QSD 855 and an A11-Bionic, I would choose (and have) the former. However, the truth is Qualcomm has a lot of catching up to do. They have more or less caught up against the A11-Bionic, however the A12 is still in another league alongside the impressive A13 (it's faster than my laptop). There is small chance that Qualcomm can achieve this with the QSD 865-Cortex A77 (or the Cortex A78/QSD 875), and to a point, Qualcomm doesn't care to compete against Apple. Though just like Samsung pulling out of the Custom SoC race, Qualcomm (will) might catch-up or surpass Apple with the (2022) next architecture: ARMv9
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- 13 Nov 2019
Kangal, 13 Nov 2019That's actually not true.
According to Gary Explains, both... moreAlso in that video you linked the Android phone is running the 3D test at almost double the resolution and the iphone only won because of that 3D test at the end. The test is set in such a way that the more fps it achieves in the last section the faster it completes that section.
Like I've said, claiming that the A11-Bionic makes a joke out of the QSD 855+ is quite an exaggeration.
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- 13 Nov 2019
Anonymous, 13 Nov 2019lol good try
The a11 doesn't throttle at all in real life ... more"The a11 doesn't throttle at all in real life scenarios."
Actually it does. Anandtech found that is very easy to make the A11 throttle.
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- 13 Nov 2019
Kangal, 13 Nov 2019That's actually not true.
According to Gary Explains, both... moreGary tested the throttling behavior of the latest Apple and Qualcomm SOCs.
Like I've said the A11(which is not the same as the A12 and A13) is a thermal throttling champ. Anandtech found that it loses up to 40% of it's CPU performance when pushed hard(and with the GPU is just as bad). That quite a lot.
Current SOC's throttle by about 15%.
The A11 is really not impressive at all efficiency wise but this has always been ignored because it has high peak scores in short benchmarks. I would choose a phone with an SD 855 for it's performance and efficiency to the expense of a phone with an Apple A11 anytime.
"You haven't formed the correct conclusions from the Anandtech deep-dive."
Yes I did. I even followed the comment from Anandtech's article where the author shared a lot of interesting additional details regarding A11 efficiency and throttling behavior.
I know SpeedTest-G very well and the test is too short to trigger any trotting, that's why the A11 can edge a win thanks to the GPU section. In a real test, so playing a game for more than a couple of minutes A11 GPU would easily fall behind SD 855's GPU(which is also much more efficient).
Actually SD 855's sustained GPU performance is equivalent to the A12's sustained performance as showed by Anandtech.
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- 13 Nov 2019
Pretty much planned obsolecence
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- 13 Nov 2019
Alex, 13 Nov 2019Saying that "the A11-Bionic makes a joke out of the QSD 855... moreThat's actually not true.
According to Gary Explains, both iPhone and Android thermal throttle hard if pushed. And their subsequent performance drops were identical (I think iPhone was slightly better). Not to mention that Android devices are built much better when considering copper chambers for thermal dissipation, so iPhone's are actually doing a little better despite being at a disadvantage.
You haven't formed the correct conclusions from the Anandtech deep-dive. Theoretical maximums are one aspect, but how they actually perform in the metrics they are designed for is another thing. For instance, have a look at the SpeedTest-G comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spL_9sJL9wA&t=112s
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- 13 Nov 2019
Alex, 13 Nov 2019Saying that "the A11-Bionic makes a joke out of the QSD 855... morelol good try
The a11 doesn't throttle at all in real life scenarios.
Also Snapdragons do not throttle as much in order to keep up and that's why they are the most unreliable SoC's ever. Or have you forgotten the older generation which basically only lasted a year before burning out?
How much of a fanboy can you be to not accept the fact and give credit to apple for developing state of the art chips?
They are just better and they should be cos they cost much more to build!
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- 13 Nov 2019
Kangal, 12 Nov 2019I agree, that the QSD 835 has enough performance for all ta... moreSaying that "the A11-Bionic makes a joke out of the QSD 855+" is quite an exaggeration.
The SD 855+ is obviously more efficient and has better sustained performance than the A11. It wins in overall CPU performance and it's GPU's sustained performance is equivalent of the A11's peak GPU performance. Offers way way better connectivity.
Instant peak power consumption from A11's big core is more than double in comparison to the Cortex A76 cores found in the SD 855+ but actual performance isn't anywhere near two times bigger.
Also the A11 is a throttling champ, as it was shown by anandtech.
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- 13 Nov 2019
Anonymous, 12 Nov 2019Yeah we double in performance every 4-5 years. Apple double... moreYou are such a troll.
From SD 835 to SD 845 the single core performance improved with around 30%
From SD 845 to SD 855 the single core performance improved with around +40%
So 2 big consecutive jumps.
Qualcomm has the best implementations of the Cortex architecture and their custom GPU's are unmatched in the Android world so they are not the android world back.
It's not all about benchmarks. SD 865 will offer excellent performance. The medium cores will be as fast as the current fastest core found in the SD 855. That's quite impressive.
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- 13 Nov 2019
Anonymous, 12 Nov 2019Won't take decades. Probably 7-8 years Only top tier cpus and gous are caable of running the ps3 emulators at a decent frame rate with frame drops, what makes you think a soc that is barely able to run windows 10 can emulate a ps3 game in 7 years? There is a limit on how small you can make the cpu and we are approaching this limit fast.
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- 12 Nov 2019
Anonymous, 12 Nov 2019No. It's shocking that there's barely an improvement now. O... moreThat's just not true. The GPU might do so, but they really only fell behind the past 1-2 generations (and were superior before that). Not that it's justified -- I completely agree that it's ridiculous that this is Qualcomm second consecutive year with ~20% GPU performance increase, when they have generally pushed the limits previously. Even ARM is catching up to them.
But for CPU they are not falling behind. The A75 (in SD845) barely caught up some, whereas the A76 (in the SD855+) closed the gap up to Apple's CPUs by a substantial amount. They are still ~60% behind, but the supposed 20% performance increase of the SD865 (as was expected from the A77), is not falling behind. It's keeping the gap as is, as the A13 had a ~20% increase as well.
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- 12 Nov 2019
Anonymous, 12 Nov 2019Shock... New chipset shows uplift in performance from previ... moreNo. It's shocking that there's barely an improvement now. Or at least not as much as before and falling further behind Apple.
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- 12 Nov 2019
Shadocx, 12 Nov 2019Actually SD 845 to SD 855 was quite a big upgrade, from 240... moreAbsolutely Right @Shadocx😊
We'll see after release.