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Anonymous, 06 Feb 2020"How can you be sure of what you're saying, that no time wi... more"There is something called as a search box on xda where you put your device name and the respective section opens up with the specific processor. Not that hard see.
Oh yeah download all those tools, takes a few seconds, just like you took to download iTunes software from the Apple site. " I know all what it needs to be done. Just as I've said before. And what you've said. You have to put your device name. Look for your model and so on. But not every section can be accessed. For example. If the page shows "Invalid thread specified. This can happen for a variety of reasons-- most likely because the thread or post you are trying to view has been moved or deleted. Please return to the forum home and browse for another similar post." And the next page you read has the similar error. How can you be sure that it's not gonna be hard to see for your firmware recovery file?

"Android is as secure as updates it gets? Lol you are extremely technically challenged.
Unless a group of hackers specifically target you through a bug (which is not fixed with latest security updates) that too if that bug exists, you are good. Which is like a 0.000001% chance of happening." Are you reading online news articles? Especially on android? Look at this article regarding ZERO DAY Vulnerabilities.
https://www.techradar.com/news/new-android-zero-day-affects-millions-of-devices
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2019/10/07/android-devices-hit-by-zero-day-exploit-google-thought-it-had-patched/
So you think updates aren't that important? Especially if you're not receiving any more security updates?
"More iOS users would get hacked even with latest security updates" You said it yourself. An ios is a LOCKED OS. So getting hack is simply not possible. Which is why after that "The Fappening" incident. Apple has put a lot of updates to make sure the vulnerabilities can't be exploited. If you think more ios users would get hacked even with latest security updates. Then tell me why the FBI are having a hard time unlocking the terrorist iphone 5c?

"Regarding last part, our discussion was on flagships 5years back, all flagships from 5 years back have 2gb ram and above. You need to not change the context of discussion boy." Clearly you're not looking into ALL ANDROID smartphones that aren't widely known. But purchased by the many because its the only flagship android smartphone that is available in their country. So if you only know international brands. I know ALL because I LIVE in a country with lots of android smartphone distributors. Brands like Gionee, cherry mobile, Cloudfone, myphone, CKK mobile, kata digital, torque mobile, Royqueen, starmobile, and many more.
" There is no app on Appstore or playstore without a negative review,maybe they were from ppl using 512mb RAM phones." How can you be sure that those ppl are using 512mb ram phones if some negative user rating are using an android 10 device?

"At the end of the day, it's clear you can't digest the fact that Android is simply superior to iOS." Just so you know. Nothing is superior to one another. Both are balanced. As a hybrid user. I know the limitations of both devices.

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    • Anonymous
    • KSu
    • 06 Feb 2020

    Foxtrot2Novmbr, 06 Feb 2020"Just go to the respective section of your phone on xda, ev... more"How can you be sure of what you're saying, that no time will be consumed if you're gonna look for a specific model. With a specific processor and unit version? Plus, you have to download the tools required to flash your phone?"

    >>There is something called as a search box on xda where you put your device name and the respective section opens up with the specific processor. Not that hard see.
    Oh yeah download all those tools, takes a few seconds, just like you took to download iTunes software from the Apple site. Stop acting like you have to run 10 miles and search around to find the phone section.

    No you can't, an iPhone that is dead and isn't booting up cannot be recovered via iTunes.
    But and Android not booting up can.
    Android is as secure as updates it gets? Lol you are extremely technically challenged.
    Unless a group of hackers specifically target you through a bug (which is not fixed with latest security updates) that too if that bug exists, you are good. Which is like a 0.000001% chance of happening. More iOS users would get hacked even with latest security updates, the Fappening is a shining example of the same. A dumb Android/iOS user can get hacked with more probability.

    Regarding last part, our discussion was on flagships 5years back, all flagships from 5 years back have 2gb ram and above. You need to not change the context of discussion boy. Oh you read a few negative reviews about greenify? There is no app on Appstore or playstore without a negative review,maybe they were from ppl using 512mb RAM phones.

    At the end of the day, it's clear you can't digest the fact that Android is simply superior to iOS.

      Anonymous, 04 Feb 2020"And for that reason alone is why it's harder to repair sof... more"Just go to the respective section of your phone on xda, everything there.
      No time consumed.". How can you be sure of what you're saying, that no time will be consumed if you're gonna look for a specific model. With a specific processor and unit version? Plus, you have to download the tools required to flash your phone?

      "While Your options of waking up the iphone : exactly zero without some techie handling it." Oh are you sure about what you're saying? If there are tons of results on the internet, on how to wake up the iphone. Why wouldn't anybody wake it up? If its on the software side? All I need to do is run itunes to repair an iphone while on recovery mode. and VOILA. Iphone recovered with backup files.

      On the security part. Android can only be secured as long as you're receiving updates. After that you're on your own. Most users replaced their android handset after a year or 3.

      Regarding on that last part. I'm only replying on the part of what you've said about greenify. Just so you know. Not ALL smartphones have more than 2GB of ram 5 years ago. Especially if the internal storage back in those years are somewhere between 16 to 64GB of internal storage. And according to the reviews of the users on Google playstore. Greenify doesn't work for them.

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        • Anonymous
        • KSu
        • 04 Feb 2020

        Foxtrot2Novmbr, 04 Feb 2020"-Different modes similar to edl available for all chipsets... more"And for that reason alone is why it's harder to repair software problems on android. Especially if you have to find an EDL that is compatible with your SOC and your unit."

        >>Just go to the respective section of your phone on xda, everything there.
        No time consumed. While Your options of waking up the iphone : exactly zero without some techie handling it.

        Regarding all the hacking, any good hacker can hack an iPhone or Android if the user is dumb enough to get hacked. An iOS user can follow a simple phising link and end up getting hacked.
        We know how smart iOS users are, no wonder all their compromising pics were leaked since passwords were weak, heck they didn't even know that pics were uploaded to cloud.

        Android is way more secure and all the security can be taken in your own hands which is simply not possible on an iPhone because of the locked OS, even jailbreaking doesn't give a user granual controls over security which is compromised by default.

        - regarding the last point, what about other phones? I though our discussion was in the context of flagships from 5 years back, all of them have above 2gb ram. So All of them run smoothly with greenify(if needed).

          Anonymous, 03 Feb 2020-Different modes similar to edl available for all chipsets.... more"-Different modes similar to edl available for all chipsets.". And for that reason alone is why it's harder to repair software problems on android. Especially if you have to find an EDL that is compatible with your SOC and your unit.

          "Lol accidentally losing USB, that's your responsibility, that's like accidentally wiping your computer hard drive where you have stored your iTunes backup." And is everyone perfect like you?

          "You just salty that Android has so many options of secure multi faceted and multi feature rich backup system that iOS doesn't give you." If android was secure. Are you certain that it can't be hacked? Even by the FBI?

          "Backups are all encrypted with additional password locking." Just about any smartphone can be hacked. Even with encryption. There are lots of ways that a hacker can hack an encrypted smartphone whether it's on ios or android. And a lot of people do this to find if their husband/wife is cheating on them. Here's a link:
          https://www.iflscience.com/technology/what-if-fbi-tried-crack-android-phone-we-attacked-one-find-out/
          It is said "Android security may also be weakened by remote control software, depending on the software used. Though the FBI was unable to gain access to the iPhone 5c by resetting the password this way, we were successful with a similar attack on our Android device." Imagine that....

          ">>Even budget 200 to 300 dollar phones offer the above advantages over 5 years flagships. So why would anyone continue using old flagship when you are getting better phones at cheap prices." and ">>Screen to body ratio increased. Flagships from 5 years had bigger footprint, weaker fast charging technology, lack of multiple cameras, smaller batteries, inferior wireless,/Bluetooth standards, slower ufs storage, better design, etc.
          " Did you check the android distribution charts?
          https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards
          It is said in there that there are lots of people still using older versions of android devices. So no matter how you explain the new features on brand new android device. Only a handful would buy a brand new android handsets. There's even a news online about smartphone sales declining such as this one.
          https://www.techradar.com/news/smartphone-market-set-for-biggest-ever-decline

          "Plz stop with the lies that greenify doesn't work. I have made phones with 1-2gb ram run smooth using greenify." Have you check the user's review on playstore? That's where my basis are. So if you think it runs smoothly on your phones with 1-2gb of ram. How about the others?

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            • Anonymous
            • KSu
            • 03 Feb 2020

            Foxtrot2Novmbr, 03 Feb 2020"-Yes edl mode can be done by non techie. No supervision r... more-Different modes similar to edl available for all chipsets.

            -Internal memory gets corrupted/formatted no problem.. Complete restore easily possible with flash.
            Lol accidentally losing USB, that's your responsibility, that's like accidentally wiping your computer hard drive where you have stored your iTunes backup.

            You just salty that Android has so many options of secure multi faceted and multi feature rich backup system that iOS doesn't give you.

            "And I can change my android handset to a new one without worrying about my TOP SECRET files being exposed to the public"
            >>What kind of technically challenged fear mongering is this? Backups are all encrypted with additional password locking. This is why I said, you have zero idea about Android. Go back to using your Toy phone and spend 100 dollars every time your phone refuses to boot up.

            "And if you're asking why would anyone use 5 year flagship? If it still works just fine and can run the latest app versions just fine. Why would anyone replace it? What if that unit is a sentimental value?"

            >>Screen to body ratio increased. Flagships from 5 years had bigger footprint, weaker fast charging technology, lack of multiple cameras, smaller batteries, inferior wireless,/Bluetooth standards, slower ufs storage, better design, etc.

            >>Even budget 200 to 300 dollar phones offer the above advantages over 5 years flagships. So why would anyone continue using old flagship when you are getting better phones at cheap prices.

            -Don't need to try any other maintenance apps, greenify works best for most devices.
            Plz stop with the lies that greenify doesn't work. I have made phones with 1-2gb ram run smooth using greenify.

              Anonymous, 03 Feb 2020-Yes edl mode can be done by non techie. No supervision re... more"-Yes edl mode can be done by non techie.
              No supervision required. Just USB cable and the flashable files." Are you certain that it will work on non qualcomm android smartphones?

              "backup can be done on internal memory, SD card or USB otg. No Reliance on internal storage alone". Like I said before, what if the internal memory gets corrupted and shows "phone storage is damaged. try reformatting it"? Not all android smartphones have memory cards. And while the OTG may be better. If you accidentally lost it. Bye bye backup. Just so you know. I'm also performing backup. But in a form of connecting to the computer because its much better. And I can change my android handset to a new one without worrying about my TOP SECRET files being exposed to the public.

              "-Exactly my point, why would anyone use 5 year flagship when new budget phones offer more." You said Why would anyone buy a 5 year old flagship. Why did you change the topic? And if you're asking why would anyone use 5 year flagship? If it still works just fine and can run the latest app versions just fine. Why would anyone replace it? What if that unit is a sentimental value?
              "Greenify works without Root. With Root, it works even better." I tried a lot of maintenance apps. But not all of them works. If you look at the reviews of maintenance apps. Including greenify. There are some users complaining that it doesn't work. So in the end. After 3-4 years of use. The user will replace their android smartphone.

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                • Anonymous
                • KSu
                • 03 Feb 2020

                Foxtrot2Novmbr, 03 Feb 2020"You can't fix a non booting iOS device without going to th... more-Yes edl mode can be done by non techie.
                No supervision required. Just USB cable and the flashable files.

                -backup can be done on internal memory, SD card or USB otg. No Reliance on internal storage alone
                Everything from personal files to every damn partition, cache, bootloader files, EFS, Modem, firmware, including the recovery can be backed up with the option to choose which files you want to backup or not. Complete or partial restore of the same as well according to your needs.

                -Exactly my point, why would anyone use 5 year flagship when new budget phones offer more. Greenify works without Root. With Root, it works even better.
                If you have root, it works even better.

                  Anonymous, 02 Feb 2020- He never talked bout repairing your own phone, any softwa... more"You can't fix a non booting iOS device without going to the store,while you can do that on Android using edl mode at home" I have already done that a dozen of times on my mothers ipad mini 2. Does every non-technie know EDL mode on android and can they do it at home without a supervision from the professionals? And how can you be sure that it will work on all different SOC's with different instruction sets?
                  "LOL they take 5-10$ for software, so even a technically challenged user can get it done at cheap price. This ain't Apple store charging exorbitant prices to fix your device.". Tell me. Are those repair stores are working inside the malls? We both live in a different country. So if it takes just $5 - $10 for software repair in your country. It's $50 - $100 here.

                  "not that tougher than a Google search to find anything" So you admit. That you are needed to search online for your device model so you can download the accurate firmware version for your model?
                  "recovery is installed only once after that you just boot into recovery and one click restore. No need for iTunes garbage or connecting to pc everytime". You forgot to mentioned the backup files. If you can recover your smartphones firmware. Where would your personal files and applications be at? Let's say that your smartphone's internal memory get's corrupted. And then on your phone. It says "phone storage is damaged. try reformatting it". How would you recover your smartphone without loosing your backup files? Especially if the damage component is the internal memory?

                  On that last part. Can anybody find and purchase a 5 year old android device? And how can you be sure that those device will run latest apps with no lags? If you think greenify would help run everything smoothly. Unless your device is rooted. How can you be sure of that?

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                    • Anonymous
                    • KSu
                    • 02 Feb 2020

                    Foxtrot2Novmbr, 02 Feb 2020"I doubt since you have zero knowledge about Android, you s... more- He never talked bout repairing your own phone, any software problem (literally any, can be fixed at home with a USB cable) not so much on iOS. You can't fix a non booting iOS device without going to the store,while you can do that on Android using edl mode at home

                    "Most would go to a smartphone techie and spend like $50 to $100 to restore an android handset."
                    >> 50-100 dollars? LOL they take 5-10$ for software, so even a technically challenged user can get it done at cheap price. This ain't Apple store charging exorbitant prices to fix your device.

                    "Which means. You have to look for a SPECIFIC device according to your brand and SOC's."
                    >> not that tougher than a Google search to find anything.

                    You'll be needing an Odin or ADB app to install the recovery files on your device. Imagine THIS STEPS just to recover your smartphone from bootloop or from the dead?
                    >> recovery is installed only once after that you just boot into recovery and one click restore. No need for iTunes garbage or connecting to pc everytime.

                    - For your last part, why would anyone still buy 5 year old flagship and run apps when even budget devices in 2020 run fine and have 6gb RAM. But yeah flagships from 5 years back have no problem running all those without lag. Apps like Greenify help everything run smoothly.

                      Anonymous, 01 Feb 2020"LOL! I'm using an android as a smartphone. Samsung galaxy ... more"I doubt since you have zero knowledge about Android, you sound like a typical technically challenged A**le user." Like you have used hundreds of android smartphones. Both Local and international brand? If you can repair the software on your own smartphone. GOOD FOR YOU. But for people who has NO TOOLS to repair android smartphones. Most would go to a smartphone techie and spend like $50 to $100 to restore an android handset.

                      "I said almost complete dead, not even a bootloop, all files can be found on xda in their respective sections"
                      Yes XDA provides files recovery, BL unlock and even root for your device. But just as I've said. You have to find a specific file for your device. Which means. You have to look for a SPECIFIC device according to your brand and SOC's. For example. A samsung smartphone use two kinds of processors depending on the country. Exynos and Snapdragon. As well as different versions. Like the samsung galaxy note 8 version N9500, N950U, N950W, and so on. After that. You'll be needing an Odin or ADB app to install the recovery files on your device. Imagine THIS STEPS just to recover your smartphone from bootloop or from the dead?

                      "iOS will require you to go to the store to get it fixed". So if it's a software problem. You can't get it fix via itunes? If it's a hardware problem. Similar to android. I would require to go the store to get it fixed.

                      "What perfect application? Have you used twrp recovery?" Did you look at the contents of twrp recovery per smartphone brand? Not every android smartphone is in the list. Even the locally made smartphone isn't exist on the list.

                      "Yes every flagship from 5 years old runs apps no problem" So you mean it doesn't lag when using a 2019 to 2020 version of facebook, youtube, and so on? Especially if majority of the android handsets at that time only has less than 2GB of ram and uses 32-bit SOC? If it was an UN-updated app from years ago. It would run the apps just fine on old android devices. If it's a 64 bit app. How can you run it on a 32 bit SOC devices? OH COME ON.

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                        • Anonymous
                        • KSu
                        • 01 Feb 2020

                        Foxtrot2Novmbr, 31 Jan 2020LOL! I'm using an android as a smartphone. Samsung galaxy n... more"LOL! I'm using an android as a smartphone. Samsung galaxy note 8 to be precised. And the first smartphone that I've ever owned was a sony xperia ZL. So I know more on android side than on IOS."

                        >>I doubt since you have zero knowledge about Android, you sound like a typical technically challenged A**le user.

                        You said a FEW Files. Which means you have to find a specified file for your device so you can fix the bootloop issues.

                        >>I said almost complete dead, not even a bootloop, all files can be found on xda in their respective sections while iOS will require you to go to the store to get it fixed. Bootloop is easily solved by One click connect solution available in the respective sections.

                        "Meanwhile, with one fix from itunes. Everything that was backup on the computer will be restored. Recovery software for android exist. But you have to find a perfect application so you can totally back up your files."

                        >> What perfect application? Have you used twrp recovery? Boy visit xda sometime, you don't even know the possibilities of Android.

                        "Majority devices running iOS 13 can't do half the things in the OS that a phone with Android 5.0 can." Can a 5 year old android device run an apps without any problems at all? Especially if google services eats a lot of Ram? "

                        >>Yes every flagship from 5 years old runs apps no problem. Google services simply can be removed if one wants but you never used an android, so you wouldn't know. You are too technically challenged buddy.

                          Anonymous, 30 Jan 2020"On the android side. Since most of it has no desktop softw... moreLOL! I'm using an android as a smartphone. Samsung galaxy note 8 to be precised. And the first smartphone that I've ever owned was a sony xperia ZL. So I know more on android side than on IOS. You said a FEW Files. Which means you have to find a specified file for your device so you can fix the bootloop issues. Meanwhile, with one fix from itunes. Everything that was backup on the computer will be restored. Recovery software for android exist. But you have to find a perfect application so you can totally back up your files.
                          "Majority devices running iOS 13 can't do half the things in the OS that a phone with Android 5.0 can." Can a 5 year old android device run an apps without any problems at all? Especially if google services eats a lot of ram?

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                            • Anonymous
                            • MwH
                            • 31 Jan 2020

                            Anonymous, 30 Jan 2020Do you repeat all those lies everyday before sleeping to co... moreI don't see how those are lies... Those are actual facts wtf

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                              • Anonymous
                              • KSu
                              • 30 Jan 2020

                              Foxtrot2Novmbr, 30 Jan 2020Clearly you don't know what you're saying. 3 & 4 are no... more"On the android side. Since most of it has no desktop software support. How would you recover your android phone, complete with all the files you've backup and games IF it's on a bootloop?"

                              >>> As I predicted, you have never used an android. An Android phone can be near dead and you can wake it up at home simply using a data cable and a few files.
                              Recoveries exist on every Android phone, custom recoveries are even better. Everything gets backed up here right to your home screen wallpaper and icon arrangement and the last person you called.

                              "Unless you're using a pixel phone. How good is the android OS update if it arrives so late? Think about it. Majority of ios devices are now running on ios 13. Meanwhile, how many android devices do you think are running on android 10?"

                              >>>Most of the latest features from Android 10 or any new Android version are borrowed from Android skins like miui, oxygen OS, lineage OS, one UI, etc.
                              Majority devices running iOS 13 can't do half the things in the OS that a phone with Android 5.0 can.

                                [deleted post]Clearly you don't know what you're saying. 3 & 4 are nothing but delusional?
                                Point 3.
                                On the android side. Since most of it has no desktop software support. How would you recover your android phone, complete with all the files you've backup and games IF it's on a bootloop?
                                Point 4.
                                Unless you're using a pixel phone. How good is the android OS update if it arrives so late? Think about it. Majority of ios devices are now running on ios 13. Meanwhile, how many android devices do you think are running on android 10? One of the features called Google stadia? If you're not using a pixel 2 to pixel 4. How would you run stadia on a non-pixel android smartphone?

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                                  • 30 Jan 2020

                                  Anonymous, 30 Jan 2020no it won't beuntil AirPower got rereleased

                                    Anonymous, 30 Jan 2020Do you repeat all those lies everyday before sleeping to co... moreIf you think those are nothing but lies. Can you prove it?

                                      Anonymous, 30 Jan 2020Why would anyone buy Apple flagships just to get latest fea... moreCause it's a 5 years support from apple. Android offers two updates. And after that, you need to replace it just to get another two years of software support.
                                      Other reasons are Apple Arcade, Simplicity, durability, and even better water resistant.

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                                        • Anonymous
                                        • KSu
                                        • 30 Jan 2020

                                        Anonymous, 30 Jan 20201. There is no force. You can choose not to upgrade. 2. Up... moreDo you repeat all those lies everyday before sleeping to convince you that iOS is better than Android?

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