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06 March 2020
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Anonymous, 13 Mar 2020You can easily install custom Recovery With a locked bootlo... moreOn a BL locked device, BL checks if the recovery image has been signed by the vendor and rejects it when it's not. Therefore just like flash commands you can only use temporary custom recovery boot commands on an unlocked device. I obviously haven't unlocked BL on my S10, so good luck with getting hold of what I have on it.

"The probability of someone stealing your rooted phone to steal your data is the same as someone forcing you to unlock your phone pattern at gunpoint."
Whether rooting and the related processes compromise security is nothing to do with the probability of meeting people exploiting the vulnerabilities to steal the data in real life. Your initial argument was that rooting makes phones more secure.. please don't change the subject, thank you.

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    Nick Tagataka, 12 Mar 2020"Unlocking bootloader is easy" Don't you know that on most... moreYou can easily install custom Recovery With a locked bootloader, only thing it gets wiped by stock recovery on next reboot.
    One can acquire temporary root permission without unlocking bootloader. These root permissions stay until the next reboot. Enough for me to delete your pattern lock files.

    As I said, there are ways to get into your phone even when it's not booting up. The probability of someone stealing your rooted phone to steal your data is the same as someone forcing you to unlock your phone pattern at gunpoint.

      Flgshp2020, 12 Mar 2020Hey! did you know All those steps are methods of official w... moreInteresting. Tell me one recent device from major manufacturers whose BL is unlockable without passing the lock screen and changing additional system settings or wiping the user data.

      "Custom Recoveries can be protected by password or pattern lock"
      Flash another recovery or reflash the existing one again through fastboot menu, and the lock will be gone. Easy. Do you think I haven't gone through all this rooting and custom recovery stuffs myself in the past?

      "You seem to be worried about things that aren't really a problem"
      For those who are completely aware of what they are doing and the risk they are taking, rooting is not an issue and in fact can help improve UX significantly, and I'm happy for them. It's their devices and I have no reason to complain about what they do on their own phones.

      The real problem here is that KSu is promoting rooting as something that makes your device *more* secure, while ignoring all the security compromises that need to be made in order to get a system privilege. That's straight up false information and also potentially dangerous, because some people may get tricked into thinking that it's good from security standpoint after reading his posts and root (or make an attempt to) their devices without having enough knowledge of it.

      "Most stolen phones are stolen to be sold again at cheaper prices not for data harvesting or data mining"
      Irrelevant conclusion, sorry. We're talking about the possibility and the potential risks and not what people tend to do after stealing a phone.

        Nick Tagataka, 12 Mar 2020"Unlocking bootloader is easy" Don't you know that on most... moreHey! did you know All those steps are methods of official way to unlock bootloader.
        There are unofficial ways to unlock bootloader as well.

        Besides Custom Recoveries can be protected by password or pattern lock too. Rooting is safe. I read all your posts in this thread, You seem to be worried about things that aren't really a problem. Most stolen phones are stolen to be sold again at cheaper prices not for data harvesting or data mining. Stop getting your panties in a bunch over Rooting.

          Anonymous, 11 Mar 2020Brother If your phone is stolen, One can easily break into ... more"Unlocking bootloader is easy"
          Don't you know that on most devices you can't unlock bootloader without performing factory reset at the same time? In case of a device that doesn't wipe the user data, it requires you to unlock the screen lock first to gather all the necessary information (e.g. serial number, IMEI, often user ID/password for the vendor's service) to get the unlock code. My S10 is protected with the 15 digit passcode and I bet you would never be able to see what's on it if I gave it to you right now.

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            Nick Tagataka, 11 Mar 2020"What does this even mean?" ...That a stranger have stolen... moreBrother If your phone is stolen, One can easily break into the phone even if it has pattern lock. Unlocking bootloader is easy. Anyone can install custom Recovery through EDL mode and then have access to your system.
            So whether you are rooted or not, if your phone is stolen, you are F**ked.

              Anonymous, 11 Mar 2020"If one has an access to the physical device, he/she can lo... more"What does this even mean?"
              ...That a stranger have stolen your device and tried to access it directly, through the device itself or his/her computer with ADB installed? You've been solely focused on talking about the app security and all the stuff that run ON the system, but this is also the important part of the device security too, you know, since all the "hack" can be done before they BOOT INTO the system.

              "Stored data through custom Recovery"
              Custom recovery offers you a built-in file explorer that lets you see all the file directories, and on top of that, it allows you to access the device through ADB and manipulate files using shell commands. Any forms of security in the lock screen can be easily removed by simply deleting several files from /data/system, so it's utterly useless on a BL unlocked device. The same goes for whatever the firewall or permission manager or custom app lock you have behind the lock screen, obviously, I mean like all sorts of security measures can be rendered useless as long as you know which files to modify or delete. Don't you still get how dangerous this really is?

              "It's like giving your house keys to a random stranger"
              Not if your phone is not rooted and the stranger doesn't know your lock screen pin/password/pattern.

              Rooting a phone can add a lot of benefits to your device and lets you control the deepest parts of the system that you wouldn't be otherwise able to touch, and I understand that you really like it. But there's a reason that I won't root my S10 that I use for my work even though it has an unlockable BL and I know how to handle rooted phones, and now you know why.

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                Nick Tagataka, 11 Mar 2020"How can a stranger see your storage including data partiti... more"If one has an access to the physical device, he/she can look into all the stored data through the custom recovery. Done. You're saying the firewall, but did you honestly think I was referring to the network security?"

                >>>LOL What does this even mean? Stored data through custom Recovery? Can you elaborate further? If one has physical access to your device, he/she can look into everything. It's like giving your house keys to a random stranger.
                But you do realize that things can be locked on a rooted phone like you put Firewall and other apps behind a pattern lock. So nobody will manage to modify files.


                Those bad skilled drivers should not be rooting in the first place then.
                As I previously mentioned technically challenged users should refrain from playing around with root. But to say Rooting and security don't go hand in hand or a non rooted device being more secure than rooted device is laughable. Root can allow better security than stock can ever offer. Have you even rooted a phone before?

                  Anonymous, 10 Mar 2020"If a stranger can see your storage including the data part... more"How can a stranger see your storage including data partition?"
                  If one has an access to the physical device, he/she can look into all the stored data through the custom recovery. Done. You're saying the firewall, but did you honestly think I was referring to the network security?

                  "You want to justify Huawei locking bootloaders which is okay for you not for others"
                  That's some hilarious S-tier BS conspiracy theory you managed to come up with, but unfortunately you completely forgot about being logical in the process. Don't use your brain too much on insulting others next time, it'll make your argument a lot weaker.
                  The reason why I'm doing this is solely because you're spreading the false information that rooting your device somehow makes the device even more secure than it already is while intentionally or unintentionally underestimating its risk, and encouraging non-tech enthusiasts to root the phone by saying you need "just an IQ above 80" to handle a rooted phone when they clearly need some background knowledge of what they should and what they shouldn't do on such a device, which average consumer don't have.

                  "A bad unskilled driver is surely to cause an accident"
                  The fact is that most phone users are "bad unskilled drivers" when it comes to tech, and you're essentially telling them that driving is safe and easy because you personally don't find any problem with it. Not all people who visit this website fully acknowledge what it really means by rooting their devices.

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                    • 10 Mar 2020

                    AnonD-754814, 10 Mar 2020A good firewall app ? I was talking about OS based firewall... more3rd party firewall apps are more secure than inbuilt firewall of the stock OS. That is exactly what I wrote. Read properly next time. Native apps still find a way to bypass system firewall easily especially the system apps (play services, etc.) only a proper firewall which requires root can block them. They are the biggest Spyware you can have on your phone.

                    Firewall apps like Afwall+ will always be better than Inbuilt firewall.
                    This isn't up for debate. Your opinion or lack of trust in 3rd party firewall apps makes no difference to the fact that they are simply better. You are scared to root your phone yet want to lecture ppl having 10+ years running custom ROM and rooted phones.


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                      Anonymous, 10 Mar 2020Firewall gone after rooting..... That's the most hilarious ... moreA good firewall app ? I was talking about OS based firewall, not a 3rd party firewall. You clearly lack knowledge and also lack at understanding.
                      You are taking the discussion to the initial position to my first point. Like I said earlier, a pro can use a root phone safer than a general phone but not someone like you. You can't make firewall on your own. So, you must use 3rd party firewall.
                      And I clearly will not trust a 3rd party over Google/Apple itself. And it also seems you don't know what 3rd party app is. Why don't you read a bit more about it.
                      And you are right.We should end the discussion here. Clearly you have no knowledge based on OS security and don't know how rooting works. Even you say it's safer even in a common person's hand.

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                        • 10 Mar 2020

                        AnonD-754814, 10 Mar 2020Looks like you know nothing. The firewall is gone when you ... moreFirewall gone after rooting..... That's the most hilarious thing I have heard in a while.
                        A good firewall app won't work properly unless you give them root permission. It will block things that your stock System firewall bundled with newer version of Android won't.

                        I think you should end the discussion here, otherwise you'd be at dangerous risk of getting embarrased further.

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                          Anonymous, 10 Mar 2020No you don't have to be an IT technician to handle a rooted... moreYou are talking about permission ?
                          How will you control it when your firewall is gone while rooting ?

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                            Anonymous, 10 Mar 2020"If a stranger can see your storage including the data part... moreLooks like you know nothing. The firewall is gone when you rooted you phone.

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                              • 10 Mar 2020

                              Nick Tagataka, 10 Mar 2020As I already said in other articles, the process required t... more"If a stranger can see your storage including the data partition without even booting into the system, then that's pretty much the same as not taking any security measures at all, like no lock screen, for instance"

                              How can a stranger see your storage including data partition?
                              Everything is behind a firewall. But yeah, I can surely access your files (assuming you are using Stock Android) via some vulnerability through Bluetooth or WiFi. On a rooted phone that has been made secure, I dare you to hack it.

                              "Rooting can add convenience as long as you know what you're doing, but does it make the device more secure? Sorry, the term "rooting" and "security" do not belong in the same context"

                              >>> shows how technically challenged you are. Your Huawei bias is showing here. You want to justify Huawei locking bootloaders which is okay for you not for others.
                              Some ppl want top notch security (only possible via root) and want to truly unlock the full potential of the device (Also possible via root). Stick to analyzing camera sensors, Rooting and the security that comes with it, isn't your field of expertise.

                              Rooting is as risky as driving a car. A bad unskilled driver is surely to cause an accident.

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                                • 10 Mar 2020

                                AnonD-754814, 10 Mar 2020Rooted phones are better secure than general OS only in the... moreNo you don't have to be an IT technician to handle a rooted phone.
                                Just an IQ above 80.

                                "Speaking simply, If you use 3rd party apps on your rooted phone then it is no longer secure"

                                >>>This shows how technically challenged you are. Not all apps have access to Root.
                                You choose which apps to give access too. The user decides (user has granular controls over security) Now if you are du*b enough to install a Shady app and grant it root access, that's your fault. It's like having a gun at your home to protect yourself, if you allow some burglar to access it or handily give it to an Intruder, it's your fault.

                                "Rooting is extremely risky. Don't do this.
                                Usually Banks won't cover for you easily if something bad happens using banking apps/website on a rooted phone."

                                >>> Plz keep your fear mongering to yourself. And technically challenged users like you shouldn't be preaching to people who have been using rooted phones for a decade.

                                Simple one click unroot can be done and your warranty is back.

                                  Anonymous, 10 Mar 2020Buddy you are clueless about rooting. Rooting simply unlock... moreAs I already said in other articles, the process required to gain root access (BL unlock) nullifies Android's multiple protection layers and severely compromises the device security. If a stranger can see your storage including the data partition without even booting into the system, then that's pretty much the same as not taking any security measures at all, like no lock screen, for instance.

                                  Rooting can add convenience as long as you know what you're doing, but does it make the device more secure? Sorry, the term "rooting" and "security" do not belong in the same context. Some "shady" apps sometimes pretend like normal apps designed for rooted devices and suddenly shows their true colours once you grant them the system privilege. In that case those apps will override any permission control settings you have set before and do literally what they want to on your phone without leaving any trace for you to know or stop their malicious activities, so you'll be effectively screwed.

                                  You know the huge risk, yet you agree to take the risk for broader customisation options. That's rooting.

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                                    Anonymous, 10 Mar 2020Buddy you are clueless about rooting. Rooting simply unlock... moreRooted phones are better secure than general OS only in the hands of a real techie.
                                    And by techie I mean those people who can compete with who works as IT security section.
                                    I'm guessing you aren't one of them. If you were Then you wouldn't be wasting your time commenting here.
                                    Speaking simply, If you use 3rd party apps on your rooted phone then it is no longer secure. To make it secure you need to use another 3rd party apps. And I can assure you, you can't trust that 3rd party apps more than you trust google or Apple. If you use 3rd party apps to root your phone then it's unsafe already.

                                    For general people rooting is dangerous and comes with high security risk.
                                    But in a proper hand a rooted phone can be true safe phone.
                                    But like I said, 99% people who are here aren't on that level.
                                    And in my honest opinion, that level people don't need our advice.
                                    So, when telling other people if a rooted phone is risky or not.
                                    My answer will always be this .
                                    "Rooting is extremely risky. Don't do this.
                                    Usually Banks won't cover for you easily if something bad happens using banking apps/website on a rooted phone."
                                    And most importantly most Manufacturers will void your warranty(you lied about this too).

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                                      • 10 Mar 2020

                                      AnonD-754814, 09 Mar 2020Don't talk about something which you have no idea about. Ro... moreBuddy you are clueless about rooting. Rooting simply unlocks certain administrative privileges and access to the user. Now if you install some Shady app and give that app root privileges, then good luck with that.

                                      Companies like Realme encourage unlocking bootloaders and even rooting.
                                      Rooting doesn't void warranty. Phone can be unrooted in a few seconds and you can claim warranty. Manufacturers lock bootloaders coz some third party sellers were selling phones by modifying Roms out of the box (eg. XIAOMI in Europe when Xiaomi were only available in select countries). They used to put Spyware and ship phones to users. So Companies started to lock bootloaders but still allowed them to be unlocked based on user request. So that users who wanted root could still avail it.

                                      Technically challenged users should refrain from speaking about rooting.
                                      Using rooted phones with custom Roms for decades, Absolutely no problems with security, in fact better security than any stock OS. Don't be stoopid and install some Shady app giving it root privileges and you are safe.

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                                        Nick Tagataka, 09 Mar 2020Something like this might be happening, though this is only... moreThanks for your opinion. I wish these companies had released more info to the public.

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