Samsung to deliver a 250MP sensor
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- phonegeniusgsm
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- 12 May 2020
Imagine 250mp camera and samsungs amazing camera software now thats a hauwei camera killer.
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- AnonD-731363
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- 05 May 2020
LOL try to imagine how much disk space will take one 250 mpix photo.
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- Anonymous
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- 04 May 2020
Anonymous, 04 May 2020Yeah and that’s why iPhone 12MP and pixel 12MP better than ... moreIPhone sucks! Camera or otherwise.
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- Anonymous
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- 04 May 2020
Vegetaholic, 02 May 2020lol, Android by far has best camera phones, Huawei series, ... moreYeah and that’s why iPhone 12MP and pixel 12MP better than gimmick pixel binning that even based in 12MP Lol.
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- Huawei Fan
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- 03 May 2020
Samsung : NEVER GET DOWN ... Still fighting against Huawei .. :)
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- Vegetaholic
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- 02 May 2020
CAMERA, 29 Apr 2020Man Just Buy A DSLR or an iPhone. This is why android never... morelol, Android by far has best camera phones, Huawei series, Samsung S series, Xiaomi, Oppo and so on, they all destroying Apple in imaging, Lol Apple dont even have pixel binning with measly 12 mp cameras and uses mostly some software gimmicks wake up dude :)
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- 02 May 2020
Edward, 30 Apr 2020Because a dollar 300-400 phone isn't built to beat dollar 1... moreBut many of the £600-900 are built to beat them. And they seem not to be able to. So are Apple overpriced? It seems not.
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- g5f
- 01 May 2020
Huawei got at least ryyb sensor, Mp is not all, too much will get slow read out speeds.
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- Mad_Admin
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- 01 May 2020
Lol. Even 1000MP with 10Inch chip are not going to help to improve Samsung's infamous camera software.
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- AnonD-928247
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- 01 May 2020
as I much as I love Samsung phones. I really don't get this megapixel count thing. concentrate on the lens array. that's the key to great photos. take a leaf out of Huawei partner with Leica or Cannon to have a lens system. honestly 64mpx its ample if it has a low aperture F1.5 or lower. will be awesome for low light pics. I.M.O
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- 01 May 2020
Nick Tagataka, 01 May 2020Note series always had a very similar image processing to S... moreThat's true. Previous were almost same, with minor improvement and more consistency.
I'm hoping different this year as this(S20) was the first to use that sensor. Samsung might learn from the mistake and improve it.
I might be wrong though.
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- Nick Tagataka
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- 01 May 2020
AnonD-754814, 30 Apr 2020We'll see how bad or good the 108MP is in the Note 20 . M... moreNote series always had a very similar image processing to S series released in the same year, though. They might make some minor software improvement, but I don't expect a significant change in the way images are handled and processed.
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- AnonD-909757
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- 01 May 2020
Truther, 30 Apr 2020Holding all the other factors constant (and eleminating any... moreTrue, of course having pixels as big as those in a DSLR and a big pixel count will be awesome, the other alternative would be to have really sensitive pixels, human eye is particular as it have really tiny "pixels" but in a huge number.
Camera get better raw quality and have AFAIK near to no editing except modes and other presets while smartphone being made to basically give to user with no editing knowledge a point and click solution that output a good quality, the AI and processing is really important.
Though DSLR with the same type of software and auto editing than Smartphones would be so amazing, but near useless as pro want control and will prefer edit themselves I guess.
IMO the best smartphone camera solution would be two identical camera with long periscope that allow high zoom but more importantly a big focus range, both being something like 48MP and along with a 12MP ToF and 48MP monochrome sensor, output the data to an hybrid analog/numeric chip that have for base mode to output a raw image without any editing and with multiple presets including user defined.
The numeric chip having an AI that can still improve through samples and who provide smart editing to correctly detect edges and objects.
Combine that with a special RAW format (Total Raw?) that contain not only the image but all the other data for all the sensors, allowing to basically change the picture characteristics such as focus, exposition, colors, brokeh effect, etc.
If the camera app have a good enough AI assisted number of editing tools, I think the result would be amazing, and everyone from pro who could work from more data than a DSLR camera and amateurs/inexperienced persons who just choose a preset would love the output !
Add to that a "background processing" mode where rather than quickly outputting a picture, a longer and way better process could take place (we still have a preview of course) and it would be really hard to beat that.
Our eyes work in the same way, we have many, but extremely sensitive "pixels" but the raw image isn't that good, our brain do such an amazing work with the image we see, that even if we could put a human eye on a camera it would give a poor result...
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- Truther
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- 30 Apr 2020
AnonD-909757, 30 Apr 2020Because you refuse facts and can't understand that low pixe... moreHolding all the other factors constant (and eleminating any trade-offs), more pixel is always better than less pixels.But as pixel count isn't the only, let alone the biggest factor in producing good image, hence we have to factor in the trade-offs with other features. (though I'd contend what is a good image, what the human eyes see, or something that goes beyond that and give us a more pleasing image. ie: current low light images)
In short, both of you are both right and wrong. DSLRs produce best images in pro mode and with proper editing. Whereas in auto mode, without any professional editing, smartphone photos outshine DSLRs in most cases.
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- AnonD-909757
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- 30 Apr 2020
AnonD-754814, 30 Apr 2020Why do you argue like an arrogant ?
I was talking about d... moreBecause you refuse facts and can't understand that low pixel number and big pixel size even in extremely bright environment are still better than small pixel and high pixel count, my exemple work as well with sun observatory which are extremely high level of light.
Which is also why pro camera don't have a 12MP for low light and a secondary 50MP+ one for day light (at 15000$+, if having such sensor had a real benefit, a lot of camera would already put a smartphone sensor for better daylight pictures).
That you like or not the pro camera exemple, the Sony smartphone who only have 12MP and excellent pictures basically as good as the 108MP sensor in any light condition.
Big Megapixel count is just made for getting peoples who are impressed by big meaningless numbers, which is why thing cost 19.99 and not 20, which is why graphic card have name such as EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 GAMING iCX, which is why for a while gaming mouse had a DPI race reaching numbers way higher than any useful and practical range almost anyone would use, and why now, they are making sensors with 108, , 250 and 600MP, simply because those names and numbers sell well, more than the real usefulness of the sensor.
Just remember that the VAST MAJORITY of the peoples who will buy such phone known nothing about camera, pixel count, smartphone in general and will only post a picture of their food on Instagram/Facebook and wouldn't notice the difference between a 5MP and a 108MP camera anyway, but naming is so important that they buy it regardless, even if you made a 110MP with poor quality, they'll prefer it over the 108MP who have good quality, which is also why they take 108MP over a 64, 50 or even 12MP sensor.
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- 30 Apr 2020
AnonD-909757, 30 Apr 2020I think you don't realize how pixel size is way more import... moreWhy do you argue like an arrogant ?
I was talking about daytime high MP advantages.
You're giving telescope and astronomy example. Seriously ?
Do you even realize that it's extreme low light situation.
I think, that is what I said earlier. Pixel size matters when situation worsens, like low light.
I'm not going to continue this stupid debate.
Have a nice day.
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- AnonD-909757
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- 30 Apr 2020
AnonD-754814, 30 Apr 2020Who do you keep bringing no one would buy pro camera if bla... moreI think you don't realize how pixel size is way more important than pixel count.
That's why space telescope are HUGE rather than just having lots of pixels.
Even Hubble have only 2*4*0.64MP making it only a 5.12MP telescope, but it have two HUGE advantages :
Exposure time and optic size.
Since it look at extremely slow/near immobile object, he can take a LOT of time gathering light data at a single point, and it have a 2.4M mirror which is WAY more important than the pixel counts.
Bigger pixels = more light information per pixel = more accurate data and clearer pictures, having more pixels is only used for having multiple variant of the same picture and process them into a single one by trying to average informations = trying to do what a bigger sensor with less pixels do.
It is only useful when you don't have enough space to put large sensors.
By the way, there is another thing in astronomy that prove that to be right, it is spectroscopy, which literally is about having as big as an optic as possible, even if that mean ONLY 3 telescopes around the WHOLE PLANET working at once to gather data that will be combined into something that any of the 3 telescope even at 1000* more resolution won't be able to match.
A simple depth sensor (ToF) will be way more useful with a 12MP sensor than a 600MP sensor alone.
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- AnonD-754814
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- 30 Apr 2020
AnonD-909757, 30 Apr 2020Except that if pro camera didn't had better quality than fl... moreWho do you keep bringing no one would buy pro camera if blah blah blah !
Did I say smartphone camera is better than pro camera in every scenario ?
Or you just thought professionals only take still-closeup easy human-portrait shot all the time ?
Pro camera users use pro camera for pro use, not fooling around like smartphone camera users. There are many advantages of pro camera.
But Pixel is Pixel. The more pixel you have the more details you get in proper condition.
But when the situation worsens then the pixel size comes into equation.
It's a simple thing. Don't see any reason to fight with it.
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- AnonD-909757
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- 30 Apr 2020
AnonD-754814, 30 Apr 2020People buy professional camera for professional use.
Your... moreExcept that if pro camera didn't had better quality than flagship smartphone, no pro would bother buying pro camera as smartphone are more convenient (ability to send by email, picture editing apps, and many other things).
A 12MP pro camera sensor is better in any light condition than a 108MP or 600MP smartphone camera.
Having a sensor with many pixels only allow to get multiple variant of the same image and use AI and auto processing to try and generate an image as close as possible as what is taken by a larger sensor such as those found in DSLR camera.
AI and auto processing is as least AS important as the sensor itself on smartphones because they can't physically get good RAW quality, and a good software/AI with a 12MP camera will always give better result than a 600MP with bad software/AI, that's why Sony keep putting "only" 12MP on their phones, this include the Sony Xperia Pro which is literally made for professionals.
If more pixel by itself was better, we would make sensor using lithography the same way we do CPU, even with 1 pixel per µm (quite large for a lithography knowing we can do 5nm, 200 time smaller) so on a 1cm² chip we would get 1M*1M pixels = 1TP or 1000GP or 1000000MP.
It is totally faisable, yet no one bother doing that, why ?
Because this is useless.