Samsung ready to start manufacturing 5nm Exynos chips in August
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Jake420, 29 May 2020First off great job Samsung a 5nm chip before Apple, Huawei... moreApple has their chips as ready as samsung, except that they have a later release schedule then the samsung flagships. Apple probably could have announced their A14 chips in like august as well.
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chester, 29 May 2020Misinformed....LOL Everyone knows Exynos is crap and onl... moreYes snapdragon is better atleast for now but we need exynos and mediatek in the game as monopoly is not good at all.For this monopoly we have to pay more for getting that chip and qualcom even didn't integrated 5gchip in their 865 where as mediatek did it.So if mediatek can snapdragon also can but wait wait snapdragon needs money and its superior so its ok isn't it???.Exynos and meditek should up thier game as soon as possible
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AnonD-762416, 29 May 2020I know you are comparing pears and apples. You thinking yo... moreNah mate i am not smart just i am saying what i know software optimization plays an important role i think u also no that.Maybe i am comparing peers with apple but u know software optimazation is required by every chip either its desktop or a smartphone chip.
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Viper, 29 May 2020I think u don't know quite know about software optimization... moreI know you are comparing pears and apples.
You thinking you're smart doesn't change that
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Hope the humanity will progress at least 50% in comparison with phone industry...
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First off great job Samsung a 5nm chip before Apple, Huawei and Snapdragon? Amazing. I'd personally take this over the 865 if the tests says it's comparable in the battery segment in the camera segment the exynos 990 already beats the 865.
Also I can't believe some of you guys think it's not for the note 20 max weinbach already said that the note 20 would come with a different chipset than the S20 back in April so this has already been leaked not to mention last year the note series got a chipset upgrade from 9820 to 9825 therefore this is definitely the chipset coming with the note 20
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- 29 May 2020
Anonymous, 28 May 2020What are you talking about? Everyone's just after the super... moreQuote, "To help my point, there's another user here who sh!ts on Intel because of their "14nm+++++" chips."
Those who mock Intel are rightly and wholly justified, as Intel announced way back in 2015 it was in preparation to launch the first generation 10nm process, Cannon Lake, with a launch in Q2 2016.
Intel uses its famed blue background presentations to highlight its technological leadership and prowess over other foundry players in the marketplace, such as TSMC, GlobalFoundries, and Samsung. One such notable slide from Intel in 2014, showcases that it had a 3.25-year lead against others in silicon-germanium strained silicon, a 3.75-year lead in high-K metal gate technology, and a 3.5-year lead in tri-gate transistors, as well as the transition to FinFETs. Intel introduced FinFETs at 22nm, whereas the rest of the industry had them at 16nm.
Despite all the condescension Intel rolled out to its competitors over the past decade, as it suffers indignantly from suspended animation, most of its competitors have surpassed Intel.
Still today in 2020, 10nm chips are no where to be seen. The first 10nm chip, part of the Cannon Lake family of chips, was a dual-core 'U'-branded mobile chip with a TDP of 5W, launched in Q2 2018. This so-called Cannon Lake family consisted of a single SKU. One can't but think this CPU release in Q2 2018 was to end any doubts and speculations of Intel's woes in getting their act together with the 10nm process node.
The successor to Cannon Lake is Ice Lake, limited once again to dual-core chips released in Sep 2019. Though the Ice Lake family has been populated with more CPUs in early 2020, with a range of TDP up to a maximum of 28W, and CPUs limited to quad-core, in no way can this be seen as a grand launch of 10nm.
Ultimately, Intel enjoyed and took great pleasure in seeing off its main rival (AMD) for near-dead in 2006, with Intel's launch of the Core generation of CPUs. In over a decade of complacency, over-inflated CPU prices, and monopolistic practices, Intel is now suffering the consequences of its arrogance. Particularly painful for Intel is that it's once arch-rival, AMD, it had left for dead in 2006 has made EPYC advances over Intel.
Intel's only answer to the rest of the advancing industry competitors is to poach key personnel that began with the hiring of the respected and talented Raja Korduri, AMD's former chief GPU architect and before that director of graphics architecture at Apple, who was appointed in Dec 2017. Korduri's tenure at Intel lead to the recruitment of none other than Jim Keller in Apr 2018, with no doubt a few months of coercion and persuasion by Korduri, who had previously worked with Keller at both Apple and AMD.
Keller is probably the most significant addition to Intel's payroll in decades, as Keller led the team in designing Apple's in-house A4 and A5 processors that were critical to the success of the iPhone, after which he returned to AMD as chief cores architect, contributing to the Zen chip that brought AMD back to relevancy. Lest one should forget, Keller also worked on the famed Digital Equipment (DEC) Alpha chip in the late 1990s.
In April 2019, Intel pinched longtime director of technical marketing and distinguished engineer at NVIDIA, Tom Petersen, a stalwart within the graphics industry. Prior to life at NVIDIA that began in 2005, Petersen spent the bulk of his career as a CPU designer, having worked with IBM and Motorola on the PowerPC team, and spent some time with Broadcom as engineering director for the BCM1400, an embedded quad-core multiprocessor.
Petersen has around 50 technical patents to his credit, having aided in the development of NVIDIA's G-Sync technology and a critical member of NVIDIA's GeForce team.
Other notable Intel hires include, Masooma Bhaiwala, former AMD silicon design executive who joined in Dec 2019.
And as recently as yesterday (28th May 2020), Intel plucked yet another AMD veteren, Ali Ibrahim, a former senior fellow and chief architect for AMD's cloud gaming efforts as well as the SoCs for multiple generations of the Xbox.
Only time will tell how effective Intel's hiring of such high-profile veterans in the chip industry shall be, in becoming an industry leader once more.
Until such time, we can continue to deride Intel and have an EPYC laugh at 14++++++++++ nm, as that is all Intel can offer us today.
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6ix, 28 May 2020Great, another misinformed commentMisinformed....LOL
Everyone knows Exynos is crap and only Snapdragon is the future...
You're the 1 lying to yourself...lol
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Some X percentage faster or X percentage efficient, blah blah blah that's what the technology industry news is all about.
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AnonD-754814, 28 May 2020This post is illogical and contains misinformation. First... moreKnowinh half is very dangerous yes 990 have a77 cores indirectly the mongoose big cores on 990 are based on a77 cores just like snapdragon used custom cores kyro but they are highly based on arm cores they are not 100% custom they take the arm ar with help of that the make custom cores
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AnonD-762416, 29 May 2020That comparison is limping a lot by the simple fact that th... moreAnd yes one more thing i know how cores work.Its just u can't give a odinary driver for a superfast ferrari car so u need a good driver to so in that same way a good software optimization is needed to bring out total performance efficiently raw power is not enough a good optimization is also needed and it will take some time
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AMD comeback, 28 May 2020I do remember does rough early Ryzen days. But if Samsung c... moreYeah i also want samsung to suceed but it eill take time for the smartphone software and games evvironment to get properly optimization for rdna smartphone graphics.For ex-Some games are better optimed for nvidia than amd and vice versa so mainly in smartphone games are optimez for adreno and mali i am saying that it will just take some time to see the real power
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AnonD-762416, 29 May 2020That comparison is limping a lot by the simple fact that th... moreI think u don't know quite know about software optimization when a new architecture arrives the softwares need to optimized for that new architecture.I don't know u have heard or not when ryzen released thousands of developers were working to optimize the software even windows have to provide an update so that ryzen could work properly.
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Anonymous, 28 May 2020People dont cara how small the semicon process node... no ... moreTrue, shrinking nodes didin't help at all to compete agaisnt Snapdragon and main problem here is Mali gpu. As Adreno gpu are definitely has better architecture when Mali can provide and more efficient. Talking about CPU they pretty much equal Moongose more concentrates on Single core performance while Snapdragon pushes more towards multicore enchancments. Can't wait to see what Samsung will achieve with AMD help in graphics department
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Viper, 28 May 2020Well well first u have to know something.It will be great t... moreThat comparison is limping a lot by the simple fact that the early Ryzen "issues" were simply because of the massive core count increase AMD pushed. Intel lulled the world into designing everything for quad-core. It had nothing to do with how the cores works.
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AnonD-754814, 28 May 2020Why do people like you take things wrong way ?
Did Samsun... moreDid you read the article?
> According to industry insiders, Samsung might use the Exynos 992 chipset only for Galaxy Note20 smartphones at home, while pushing all overseas models with Snapdragon chipset.
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Viper, 28 May 2020Well well first u have to know something.It will be great t... moreI do remember does rough early Ryzen days. But if Samsung can at least brute force a performance gain, equal or surpassing Qualcomm without much compromise. Does make us hopeful for what to come next, and gets Samsung in a better limelight than being called out by even their own investors. I'm still hopeful that Samsung can make a comeback. Because their S20 family was seriously a scam and a joke, which made me somehow drawn to the already aging and boring iPhone 11 pro. Which i think is bad signs! And made me concerned, because i never liked the iPhone when i had the note 10. For me to think something that is inferior as "better" means that the S20 series was never "interesting" enough for me to justify an upgrade from the note 10.
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They need to start producing the chip at least a few months before they release the Note20, not in the same month. Highly doubt they'll release the note20 with their in-house 5nm exynos 992.
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This post is illogical and contains misinformation.
First of all Exynos 990 doesn't have cortex A77 core.
Secondly Samsung will not use cortex A78 for Exynos 992.
Second option(using cortex A78) is only possible If Samsung has managed to prepare AMD GPU and is very confident about it + Their 2021 flagship SoC will have Cortex X1 core. Still I doubt they will use A78 for Note 20 because The SoC that will be used in Note is already being mass produced in production line.
One thing I'm pretty sure and can bet anything that both 5nm and cortex A78 aren't going to happen for Exynos 992(if they use it in Note 20s) together.
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ypcx, 28 May 2020No chance this is going to land in Note20+.
No chance Euro... moreWhy do people like you take things wrong way ?
Did Samsung say they will use cortex A78 for their Note 20 SoC ?