TSMC is ready to deliver 5nm chips, 3nm scheduled for H2 2022

25 August 2020
The N3 process will need 30% less power and will bring 10% better performance than N5.

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  • 29 Aug 2020

Anonymous, 25 Aug 2020LIES... they said same 30% more efficiency for 14 nm , 30%... moreDon't they normally say _up_to_ X% efficiency gain *or* up to Y% performance improvement at similar power draws? Nobody delivers a chip that is only as fast as last year's but sips less power, they generally lean towards the performance side of the equation. They then often also ramp the frequency, further countering any efficiency gains.

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    • 28 Aug 2020

    I wonder what's all those German engineers and professors doing in the US before, during, and after WW2. Must be tourism, nothing to do with stealing German tech

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      • 27 Aug 2020

      Anonymous, 25 Aug 2020LIES... they said same 30% more efficiency for 14 nm , 30%... more4 to 5 year old flagships have 1080p, 400ppi, sub 6 inch screens

      todays flagships have 2K+, 500ppi+, almost 7 inch displays

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      if u were to fit todays processor in say a galaxy s6 or iphone 6s, the battery life WOULD be "150% better", but as batteries get theoretically better, screens get bigger, games get more demanding, we have more demanding softwares and cameras, games, apps, etc...
      this can easily be seen by how a older phone lags with a new version of apps

        Real.Talk, 26 Aug 2020" All large companies compete for the best employees. ... moreHeadhunters usually approach people for high level positions that require a lot of experience and also in areas where there are skill shortages.

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          • 26 Aug 2020

          Anonymous, 25 Aug 2020LIES... they said same 30% more efficiency for 14 nm , 30%... moreThat's the truth and it hurts... them because they're dishonest and me because I've been unable to find a device suitable for my needs - only the Note series is considered due to the almost refined all-in-one package.

          If I could just design and or tweak some components on the Note10+ / Note20 Ultra - then I'd finally be satisfied.

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            • 26 Aug 2020

            Anonymous, 25 Aug 2020What are you talking about? How would a 30% increase in pow... moreI could go on and on too because there are 2 sides to everything... A positive and a negative so don't pretend like the " negative " part doesn't exist...

            Plus, summarizing what the OP said - all that was asked was for the transparency / visibility of the actual speed improvements because phones still lag despite them being so much % faster, cameras don't instantly open despite having stacked DRAM for faster access and only numbers increase in synthetic benchmarks but according to you that's all positive right?

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              • 26 Aug 2020

              Aierlan, 25 Aug 2020All large companies compete for the best employees. Headhun... more" All large companies compete for the best employees. "

              and you are so sure about that right?

              I'm a one of a kind ready to work in my favorite field employee and yet not a single cash strapped firm is competing for my lucratively profitable talent... Oh no, now I know, my unique brain and exclusive visual imagination just doesn't cut it... they want university diplomas which mean nothing when CEO's are college dropouts so that all definitively makes sense on how talent acquisition works now?? Yes??

              " Headhunters are always contacting employees to try recruit them for positions with other companies. " That " always " is unfortunately void.

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                • 26 Aug 2020

                Anonymous, 25 Aug 2020LIES... they said same 30% more efficiency for 14 nm , 30%... moreThe Improving in games requirements and system requirements just eats from the battery so you can't compare battery life from 5 years when the heaviest game was candy crush saga + the higher refresh rate + 5g capability + better and bigger screens + more features in software all that leads to draining the battery if you want 150 % more battery then go grab a galaxy s6 put sd 875 in it and you're good to go it will be 150% battery but you'll lose all the features you have today and it's worth to mention that the camera equipment in mobiles now one of the most power consuming things

                  ARM greatest hour. With 5nm and 3mm they will demolish soon any x86 competition in mobile laptop market too. New arm laptop era incoming in few short years

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                    • Anonymous
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                    • 25 Aug 2020

                    Anonymous, 25 Aug 2020LIES... they said same 30% more efficiency for 14 nm , 30%... moreTrue, it's all just hype and marketing. We have been hearing claim of great improvements in all areas but when it comes to actual user experience, the increments don't correlate with these claims.

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                      • 25 Aug 2020

                      LIES...
                      they said same 30% more efficiency for 14 nm , 30% for 10mm , 30 % for 8mm ; 30 % for 5 mm....
                      Battery life should be %150 according to this logic compared to 4 - 5 year old flagship, but it is nowhere near...
                      LIES...

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                        • 25 Aug 2020

                        M3S4, 25 Aug 2020America is not funding its industry (little but not many), ... moreWhat do you call those bailouts the companies are given in the US?
                        How different is it from what you just wrote?
                        It does not matter whether it is $1 or $1T as long the government pours money in the private companies, it's one and the same.

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                          • 25 Aug 2020

                          Anonymous, 25 Aug 2020I'm not American so I don't really have anything ... moreAmerica is not funding its industry (little but not many), instead simplify and make things easier for business to grow. This is promote "fair" business environment, startup easy to grow. Or simply democracy.

                          China is different, they are funding their big company to be better, for example Huawei. The positive side is Huawei is easily getting stronger while the other even have the idea to overcome Huawei, they don't have money. That's actually what happened. In China, most technology run by business conglomerate and everyone need to comply that. For example wechat, baidu.

                          Many company run unethical business, but mostly happen to low level wage. I know some Chinese company doing unethical to even its medium level employee. The culture is different if you have work in multinational company.

                            Anonymous, 25 Aug 2020I'm afraid some people are so easily convinced to a po... moreYep, sums it up nicely!

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                              • 25 Aug 2020

                              zodiacfml, 25 Aug 2020fabless Intel in 5-8 yearsNope there wil be fabs but the current core connectors will be replaced with silicon interconnect fabric.

                                fabless Intel in 5-8 years

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                                  • 25 Aug 2020

                                  Anonymous, 25 Aug 2020Reading about poaching here really funny. Can you call it p... moreVery true. Unfortunately, some people are consumed by their for China that whatever the Chinese companies do is bad even it is common practice everywhere else.
                                  By the way, I'm not a big fun of the Chinese government but I have a lot of respect for their companies. They seem to be the only ones working hard to try and innovative in many areas of technology but some people are still behind crying about IP theft.
                                  If they stole the IP, then why are you failing to produce the products with same technology you claim to be stolen but every time claiming stolen tech but you can't produce the products yoursleves.
                                  I would have thought you would still have retained those ideas in your minds or somewhere and it can't evaporate from you the minute it's "stolen" then to me it means you didn't have it in the first place.

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                                    • 25 Aug 2020

                                    Reading about poaching here really funny. Can you call it poaching when someone offer you a better salary for you to work with them? Isn't that normal in job market? Just pay your employees better salary then if want to protect them.

                                    Also some people doesn't realized here that poaching from TSMC doesn't mean much if they couldn't built the chip. ASML is more important since they are the only one who could built the lithography machines needed for this.

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                                      • 25 Aug 2020

                                      Aierlan, 25 Aug 2020Yeah, very trueI'm afraid some people are so easily convinced to a point of them claiming there's a country which owns some technologies.
                                      The fact is that technology has been evolving for some time and not localised to any particular country but surprising you find some one claiming that it's country A' s technology when in actual fact the country or company only added incremental upgrade to an old technology.
                                      Imagine if very country/company or individuals claimed their contribution to a particular technology and denied others from using it in their products, there will be confusion and no one company or country will be able to produce a single product.

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                                        • 25 Aug 2020

                                        3nm in the year 2022 ??!!!
                                        Meanwhile:
                                        Intel is pushing back the release of the company's 7-nanometer chips, meaning they won't arrive until late 2022, or early 2023...