Leaked screenshots from iPhone 12 Pro Max unofficially confirm LiDAR and 120Hz display

26 August 2020
The leaks came from a “production validation prototype” while mass production is expected to begin next month.

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AnonD-909757, 26 Aug 2020Underdisplay camera is the worse gimmick you could ever get... morehow do you know its "worst gimmick" if you never used it? Because its still underdevelopment...
The same thing they said about hi-res screens and big cameras, and now you will cry if your new phone is not more than fullHD and doesnt have more than two hi-res cameras...

Underdisplay camer is actually one of BEST invention in mobile technology because it remove necessity of any hole in front of device so you can get whole space for screen and nothing more, you can even place other sensors under it and you dont need to stick to upper part of device so its give you more possibilities to rearange space inside to make eg, more space for other components.

    AnonD-909757, 26 Aug 2020Thanks, and well it isn't that advanced, the design is... moreWhy don't you use Blender?

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      Mos, 27 Aug 20201st point: If your facial recognition is working with a mas... moreHa, nice.
      I like how this Android fanboys think they have a good explanation, but if somebody smarter comes along and explains the things in a more logical manner, they go to the silent corner.
      They are like Chihuahuas, lol. Only bark, and without any real reason.

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        Wily2020, 26 Aug 2020”so why put out $1100+ for this stuff?” If you need to a... moreIf all your looking for is the camera capabilities, why not buy a pixel. The pixel 5 obviously.

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          J. , 27 Aug 2020There is also dust entering and scratching the pop up camer... moreThe ONLY issue, after 2 years that dust have caused is to jam the pop up temporarily, the calibration function dislodge the dust and it work as good as new afterward, because unlike electronic/static components, a well maintained mechanical system can last for CENTURIES, some actually are still working after centuries, no LCD/Oled display, no battery and no chips as found on smartphones could ever dream about it.

          Yes, it CAN do it, but even in dusty environment, it never happened, proving that you just vomit theoretical possibilities without ANY real world evidence, evidences which are : It never happened, and we are close to the maximum time the vast majority of peoples keep their phone (3 years).
          And EVEN if it happened, it isn't a big deal, it is only a camera.

          Those aren't fantaisies, considering the pop up as fragile and with all the imaginary defects you talk about is actually you living in fantasy, because reality doesn't match AT ALL what you describe.

          Facts :
          https://www.quora.com/How-difficult-is-it-to-scratch-a-lens
          Quote : " unless there is sand or excessive dust in the cloth’s fabric, you won’t scratch it"
          Note the use of the word "excessive", the pop up mechanism sit on a TIGHT enclosure, which doesn't allow much dust to get in, and EVEN when it get it, it typically also get back out the same way.

          At this point you are just desperate trying to find excuses to blame the pop up for, if I let you continue, you'll soon say it is the cause of world hunger and climate change.
          And since you are starting to insult, I guess you are really out of wrong "arguments" to throw.

          Fact is, if the pop up were really that bad, phones like the Poco F2 Pro wouldn't exist, nor it would have been sold in huge quantities, nor the vast majority (almost everyone) with a phone having a pop up would be totally satisfied.
          And more importantly, rather than imaginary theoretical possibilities, you would throw tons of articles, forum posts and other report of failure.
          But except a really small quantities consistent with potential build defects, there are none to be found.
          Fact :
          You are wrong, REALITY prove it.
          What you have here is an opinion, what I exposed just here was facts, real life events or lack of events that prove by A+B something.
          And this something is : The pop up are doing great, they doesn't suffer any issue and work really well, that you like it or not.
          Now, I'll let you go back to your favorite dead pixels method for front camera, bye bye.

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            Anonymous, 26 Aug 2020Better than android phones big chin lol.So what is IPhone SE 2020? A small chin? F4ng3y

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              AnonD-909757, 26 Aug 2020Yeah, and of course the P30 Pro is conveniently also slow I... moreThere is also dust entering and scratching the pop up camera, even corning gorilla glass can't protect it. Your fantasy sucks mate.

                I am curious about the improvements to the camera. I believe its stated for 4k at 120fps and even a very short burst if 4k at 240fps. Hopefully that means that the regular 4k has also been substantially improved. Apple also needs to go a little easy on the colour saturation in photos. I suspect they will have a new version of the 48/64MP sensor too.

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                  Android.Master, 26 Aug 2020Are you talking about the face ID which doesn't work p... more1st point: If your facial recognition is working with a mask then it's probably not great that it only needs to recognise half a face.
                  2nd point: Easily fooled by a twin. Valid point, and a real concern for the 0.3%-0.4% of the population who are identical twins.

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                    Anonymous, 26 Aug 2020Android has nothing that matches face Id and that's wh... moredid you seriously compared face id of iphone with samsung crap that just uses the front camera for unlock? jesus...i had face recognition on my s10 and i know how bad it is and now i have a p40 pro , is miles ahead in both face and fingerprint scanner and the notch is much smaller while packing 2 cameras. Good luck with that face id in this pandemic full of masks .

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                      JDK, 26 Aug 2020easily foldable+reflective seems massive, but just like you... moreIf you mean massive as awesome, yes it is, but if you mean massive as big, well it can actually be made ultra thin.
                      And this isn't what I recommend, as I said, having a 600ppi and a 175Hz would be more than enough.
                      This is just that the prototype made in 2018 was able to reach 400Hz at 2500ppi, and they know they can push it at 2000Hz, it is just to tell that a 600ppi at somewhere from 144 to 200Hz is well within the technology capabilities and would result in a display as high resolution and fast as the best Oled currently available.

                        Anonymous, 26 Aug 2020Android has nothing that matches face Id and that's wh... moreAre you talking about the face ID which doesn't work properly with a mask these days? or the face ID which can easily fooled by a twin?
                        Not to forget the security factor where the instagram app was hijacking the camera in the recent so called "glitch".

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                          AnonD-909757, 26 Aug 2020Thanks, and well it isn't that advanced, the design is... moreeasily foldable+reflective seems massive, but just like you can barely notice the 4k on a sony xperia 1, I don't think making the display 2500 ppi is gonna do any favors to a smartphone. Maybe smartwatches, though.

                          The 400hz refresh rate might seem cool, but refresh rate will eventually hit a point of diminishing returns. It's already a bit hard to tell 120hz to 144hz, much less 144hz to 400hz.


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                            Jenn, 26 Aug 2020I am a galaxy girl. But have been thinking about getting th... moreThey said the same last year about the iphone 12, sadly.
                            If you want a phone, especially a new flagship one, there is no better time than present time (always). Maybe wait 1 month, but 1 year or even 6 month is way too much to wait, in the phone world.

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                              ydpatel, 26 Aug 2020120 Hz woooowww so new -.- lol galaxy always 2 steps ahead ... moreiPad Pro is waving at Tab S7+

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                                JDK, 26 Aug 2020wow dude! Amazing job on that 3d rendering(I could never do... moreThanks, and well it isn't that advanced, the design isn't finished, many details are to be done, like rounded edges (as they are currently sharp), but it is because SketchUp (which exist in a free version BTW if you want to try it) isn't adapted for such modeling, but it was the one I had my hand on and knew how to use the best at that time.


                                Yes, it would greatly improve things, the reason is because innovation is something really lacking nowadays, peoples just take existing things, maybe improve a bit on it, but mainly they keep upgrading again and again the same tech, even when a clearly better alternative exist.
                                This fictional concept phone for example have a graphene based display, graphene display work by physically moving pixels in and out, and because of how it work, not only it have an amazingly high resolution and refresh rate potential, but they are reflective type display.
                                Basically, reflective type based on digital ink/e-ink, like Kindle readers, they don't need backlighting to be viewable, unlike transmissive display who need a backlighting in order to see the image, and the big avantage is that, it can keep an image indefinitely without requiring any power (as it is physically displaying it as if it was printed).
                                But my concept actually have an hybrid transmissive/reflective one that can address individual pixels with white light, allowing for HDR and really good low light visibility while keeping extremely low power consumption level.
                                https://phys.org/news/2018-11-graphene-flickers-400hz-2500ppi.html

                                Those display have literally everything superior to any other types.
                                Past a time, carbon nanotube display were thought to be the future, but Oled surpassed what they could have been, except that depending on the implementation it can be totally immune to burn in, (same with e-ink ones), then Oled are now endangered by the upcoming miniled and microled tech, but reflective graphene display are even better.

                                And considering they made a crazy 400Hz and 2500ppi (pixels per inch) which is way above the 550ppi that the top densest mass sold smartphone top at, making a 175Hz and 600ppi display is totally reasonable for mass production.
                                Yet, I am not aware of a single smartphone brand doing research on those displays...

                                That's one of the many exemple of clearly superior tech that the industry doesn't do any effort toward.

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                                  • 26 Aug 2020

                                  This indicates that Apple again uses a 24mm² sensor.

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                                    120 Hz woooowww so new -.- lol galaxy always 2 steps ahead my friends

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                                      Botox, 26 Aug 2020That is going to be a huge flop pretty much like the radar ... more"apple is the worst at battery life"

                                      On the iPhone 11 series, iPhone is the best at battery life.

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                                        • 26 Aug 2020

                                        That is going to be a huge flop pretty much like the radar tech implemented by Pixel. Lidar is just ridiculous. It is almost abandoned on autonomous vehicles because of the price and power consumption. Since Apple is the absolute worst in battery life Lidar is going to be a disaster. That money laundry company is always holding back innovation and it also does so for the other companies because it offers no real competition, only predatory practices.

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